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i've a terrible feeling this kid is gonna blow it

he really needs to get his act together over the next few months, knuckle down and make something of his career with us
 
buckooo1978 said:
i've a terrible feeling this kid is gonna blow it

he really needs to get his act together over the next few months, knuckle down and make something of his career with us
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We could argue till we are blue in the face, but obviously I disagree. He's young but now has a lot of experience and should be pushing for an automatic starting role.

Let's reserve final judgement till the end of the season.
 
I've never given up hope on a player whilst they were still at the club (possibly bar Hargreaves, but that's Hargreaves), especially one as talented as Anderson. He just needs to mesh it all together into a consistent package and he'd be incredible.
 
Ubik said:
I've never given up hope on a player whilst they were still at the club (possibly bar Hargreaves, but that's Hargreaves), especially one as talented as Anderson. He just needs to mesh it all together into a consistent package and he'd be incredible.
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I think bar his shooting, he has all the qualities needed to be a united player. Just needs a good run in the team and a bit of confidence (i.e. Nani) and he will be great.
 
Back in action late September someone said, but I don't know if that was a "full training" or an "available for selection" date. I don't think he's started running or kicking a ball yet.
 
Presser before Charity Shield game SAF said he'll be back in training in 2-3 weeks and then in the one before NC game he said he is a couple weeks away.

So for the timeline of returning late September seems to be holding but, with any player returning from a long term injury, there could be setbacks. Hopefully not the case for Anderson.

Also, maybe he'll have seen what happened with Nani and even Cleverly that if you can put in the performances - which means the work, the boss will back you. Can't wait to get him back - right now am bit scared as he is only one in the squad that can some what back up a Fletcher type all action role.
 
Anderson has demonstrated on numerous occasions that he's got what it takes to be a big success here. The thing holding him back is his ability to play well on a consistent basis which, believe it or not, most players his age suffer from. When you look at our current first-choice midfield (Valencia, Fletcher, Scholes, Nani) it's only Scholes who was performing at a consistently high level at Anderson's age. The rest of them took a while, as is the norm with most footballers.

Mind you, the stories about his attitude last season didn't do him any favours, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering we don't really have a proper idea about what happened.

Anyway, let's hope he returns from his injury unscathed. Cruciate ligament injuries aren't the easiest to come back from, but I'm encouraged by the fact that at his age he's already managed to successfully recover from a broken leg. If he comes back the same player I've got faith in him turning things around. All it takes is a run of good games - look at Nani last season for the perfect example. I hope he does because I get the impression that it might well be a make or break season for him.
 
On the pitch, he always seemed to have a better attitude than Nani. In terms of workrate, for example. He didnt seem to have a big chip on his shoulder about being left out either.

So if Nani can make it, he surely can.
 
He was shown watching the academy match at the weekend and was wearing one of the heart monitor vest things so I presume hes in training of some sort anyway
 
jojojo said:
He needs a heart monitor to watch football?
I had no idea he was that unfit.
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Hahaha ... someone had to say it.

Though more likely that he had been training and stopped by to watch the match.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
On the pitch, he always seemed to have a better attitude than Nani. In terms of workrate, for example. He didnt seem to have a big chip on his shoulder about being left out either.

So if Nani can make it, he surely can.
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Nani's upside was that he was producing special moments that can turn matches in your favour. Even when out of form and in his toughest times, he was still a player who could usually come on and make something happen with a pass or cross to create an oppertunity. Even if his next 3 passes were to the opposition, its worth it.

We're yet to see any game-winning quality from Anderson which seperates him from other midfielders at the club. Its too easy to leave him out of the team because we barely miss anything he brings. So he needs to change that and show game-winning qualities that mean he has to be in the team. Else his future could turn out to be at another club with less expectations.
 
jojojo said:
Back in action late September someone said, but I don't know if that was a "full training" or an "available for selection" date. I don't think he's started running or kicking a ball yet.
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During the last academy game, it showed Anderson there wearing one of those heart things over his top (the kind the lads wore in pre season) so i'm sure he's doing 'something' - maybe light running.
 
jb8521 said:
He was shown watching the academy match at the weekend and was wearing one of the heart monitor vest things so I presume hes in training of some sort anyway
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cnut beat me to it :p. Yeah he must be doing something fitness wise which is decent. It was a nasty injury
 
Am I the only one who has lost all hope of this lad ever amounting to anything at United?

Cant pass
Cant shoot
Obviously from the above cant score

Cant help but think because he's Brazilian and at a 'good age' everyone still has hope for him?

Personally IMO Nani has always looked the more likely to achieve anything at United and even he's still touch and go at this very moment in time
 
charlenefan said:
Am I the only one who has lost all hope of this lad ever amounting to anything at United?

Cant pass
Cant shoot
Obviously from the above cant score

Cant help but think because he's Brazilian and at a 'good age' everyone still has hope for him?

Personally IMO Nani has always looked the more likely to achieve anything at United and even he's still touch and go at this very moment in time
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Well, no. He'll run till he's drained, incredibly strong and skillful on the ball, strong in the tackle and has immense vision. His problems are that he's positionally suspect, inconsistent, tries the hollywood pass too often rather than keeping it simple and is wayward in front of goal. He'll need to improve in all those areas to make it, but the fact he's brazilian and young means jack shit. People have hopes with him because he has shown in his time here so far that on song, he can dominate a midfield both defensively and in attack.
 
charlenefan said:
Am I the only one who has lost all hope of this lad ever amounting to anything at United?

Cant pass
Cant shoot
Obviously from the above cant score

Cant help but think because he's Brazilian and at a 'good age' everyone still has hope for him?

Personally IMO Nani has always looked the more likely to achieve anything at United and even he's still touch and go at this very moment in time
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I honestly can't believe the posts on this site sometimes. He quite obviously can pass. And he's not as bad at shooting as some people made out. That FK he scored in preseason would be a welcome site atm. Our set pieces are dreadful.
 
charlenefan said:
Am I the only one who has lost all hope of this lad ever amounting to anything at United?

Cant pass
Cant shoot
Obviously from the above cant score

Cant help but think because he's Brazilian and at a 'good age' everyone still has hope for him?

Personally IMO Nani has always looked the more likely to achieve anything at United and even he's still touch and go at this very moment in time
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Do you categorise every nationality, or is it just Brazilians?
 
Ekeke said:
Nani's upside was that he was producing special moments that can turn matches in your favour. Even when out of form and in his toughest times, he was still a player who could usually come on and make something happen with a pass or cross to create an oppertunity. Even if his next 3 passes were to the opposition, its worth it.

We're yet to see any game-winning quality from Anderson which seperates him from other midfielders at the club. Its too easy to leave him out of the team because we barely miss anything he brings. So he needs to change that and show game-winning qualities that mean he has to be in the team. Else his future could turn out to be at another club with less expectations.
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I don't agree with this assessment. If you are talking like for like players then maybe but, Anderson is a midfielder. You don't ever think of Fletcher or Carrick making the singular players that win us games but, their play over the whole course of the game can ensure we win.

Anderson to me has shown that he is capable of putting in performances that help throughout a game to ensure we end up winning the game. He has very good vision and if he ever learns how to weight his passes, those individual plays might even come about more.

The one thing we miss I think is a player that can carry the ball through midfield with purpose - a bit more Essien-esque (not comparing him to the man but, the quality).
 
Say what you like about him, there's few things more exciting than when he picks up the ball in midfield with his back to goal, turns, burns past a couple of opposition players, and sets up an attack. Unfortunately we haven't got to see enough of it, but none of our other midfielders are capable of anything like that. It definitely gives us another option and I don't agree with those who say he offers nothing. Far from it.
 
charlenefan said:
Am I the only one who has lost all hope of this lad ever amounting to anything at United?

Cant pass
Cant shoot
Obviously from the above cant score

Cant help but think because he's Brazilian and at a 'good age' everyone still has hope for him?

Personally IMO Nani has always looked the more likely to achieve anything at United and even he's still touch and go at this very moment in time
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Argh, come off it mate.

You're entitled to your opinion, but spouting bollocks like that makes you sound like you only started watching football about 2 months before you joined this site.
 
Evra has some balls, he is late and he is walking like he is the boss. I would have smacked him in the head if I wear SAF. The camera man is being paid by the hour.
Anderson does not look fat at all, some of you were wise to withhold your comments about his weight until you got proper evidence.
I think some air went into his shirt and made him look bigger than he looked.
 
charlenefan said:
Am I the only one who has lost all hope of this lad ever amounting to anything at United?

Cant pass
Cant shoot
Obviously from the above cant score

Cant help but think because he's Brazilian and at a 'good age' everyone still has hope for him?

Personally IMO Nani has always looked the more likely to achieve anything at United and even he's still touch and go at this very moment in time
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Where did I get the impression that you were a good poster from?
 
championo said:
Evra has some balls, he is late and he is walking like he is the boss. I would have smacked him in the head if I wear SAF. The camera man is being paid by the hour.
Anderson does not look fat at all, some of you were wise to withhold your comments about his weight until you got proper evidence.
I think some air went into his shirt and made him look bigger than he looked.
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Evra looked well upset not to be with his man-love Park.
 
Shimo said:
I don't agree with this assessment. If you are talking like for like players then maybe but, Anderson is a midfielder. You don't ever think of Fletcher or Carrick making the singular players that win us games but, their play over the whole course of the game can ensure we win.

Anderson to me has shown that he is capable of putting in performances that help throughout a game to ensure we end up winning the game. He has very good vision and if he ever learns how to weight his passes, those individual plays might even come about more.

The one thing we miss I think is a player that can carry the ball through midfield with purpose - a bit more Essien-esque (not comparing him to the man but, the quality).
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Actually you can. Fletcher does have a knack of turning up in big games with a standout performance or with a goal. Carrick too, when he's on form can produce a special pass that will win you the game. Anderson's two best performances were years ago against Gerrard and Fabregas, and that's why everyone believed he would turn into someone special. Since then he's gone off the boil. The fact he rarely if ever scores or even looks like he can score and that his passing and assists aren't anything to brag about are reasons people are justifiably concerned if he will ever make it at United.

Oh, and then there's the fact that he's Brazilian, and like last season he showed that when things get tough he won't hesitate to pull a runner. Now, you can excuse certain things because of his age, but I don't think it's an exaggeration to say this is a critical year for the lad. He's got to take his chances and prove he belongs with a club like United. He's got the potential, but he's not showed it in the last year and a half.
 
charlenefan said:
Am I the only one who has lost all hope of this lad ever amounting to anything at United?

Cant pass
Cant shoot
Obviously from the above cant score

Cant help but think because he's Brazilian and at a 'good age' everyone still has hope for him?

Personally IMO Nani has always looked the more likely to achieve anything at United and even he's still touch and go at this very moment in time
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Being Brazilian practically doesn't mean anything. To be honest, I would rather have the current Anderson (fit of course) than a steryotypical Brazilian with fancy tricks up his sleeve. From the looks of videos, the Anderson prior to the injury did fall into the parentheses of the label "proper Brazilian" but he probably was not nearly as he has shown he is for us. It is hard to develop a central midfielder and I think his progress has been extremely promising. He is young and thus ambitious so it is a given that he will try to go for glory at times and attempt a ridiculous Hollywood pass or 40 yard screamer but he has great mobility and speed, great vision, and strong physique, he can make to be an extremely dynamic midfielder offering service and presence on the pitch.
 
He's a fine talent. I still all a huge amount of hope for him. Really hope he turns it on this season. I hope he finds his right position this season.
 
Home work for Anderson:
1. Improve his right foot usage
2. Stop his hollywood passes, try Scholesque passes like what he did in his first season.
3. Concentrate more in getting into the right postions, he doesn't have to stay as the DM all the time, Fletcher/Carrick's job is to do that, he can exploit flanks or anything and he does have a decent cross on him ala his cross to Rooney Vs Blackburn.
4. Use his dribble to his advantage, he is superior to Scholes with this as he has pace to burn, he just hasn't used it as his advantage, lure the opposition first and then make a through ball, I'm sure its usage will come with more experience but he has the ability to do this.

For the other reasons, they are off the pitch reasons and I hope a hairdryer will turn him back to the potentially world class player who has kept the likes of Gerrard and Fabregas in his pocket.

I'm still behind you Ando ( Of course even with the Ozil parade going, I still think Anderson has more potential, we just haven't seem to have used Anderson correctly yet )
 
charlenefan said:
Am I the only one who has lost all hope of this lad ever amounting to anything at United?

Cant pass
Cant shoot
Obviously from the above cant score

Cant help but think because he's Brazilian and at a 'good age' everyone still has hope for him?

Personally IMO Nani has always looked the more likely to achieve anything at United and even he's still touch and go at this very moment in time
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As Kenyon would say, you are in a Small group of one.
 
Ubik said:
he can dominate a midfield both defensively and in attack.
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Specifically the latter when has he ever show that?

Twigginater said:
That FK he scored in preseason would be a welcome site atm. Our set pieces are dreadful.
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Do you realise how fecking desperate you sound, he scored 1 free kick in a friendly and now suddenly he's a master at it?

As for the passing right now I'd say Gibson is a better passer and he adds goals to the team as well.
 
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