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Amir said:
Problem is, when you're looking at his finishing, shooting or passing in the final third, you can't help but wonder if he can even cut it as a second striker.

I very much agree with the claim that midfielders tend to mature late. You sometimes see a young one doing briiliantly, but for every Fabregas there's a Xavi. Problem is you'd like to see some progress over time and I'm not sure we are. He has the odd good match or a few good ones, then he's back to being terrible. You never know what to expect. Unplayable on his day, impossible to play with on other days.
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That is the process of converting a natural in the hole player to a deeper lying midfield play maker. The transition is harder than most realise. I mean, a player of Scholes' ilk had issues switching between the two roles (i.e 2000 when Veron arrived he was awful when pushed back into Cantona role, then 2004-2006 when Veron left, he had 2 flat years upon his return to midfield.)


What is encouraging is his top performances have got far better than before. What he now needs to do is bring his bottom performance to a much higher level, and master the art of defending consistently in midfield without over relying on form.
 
I see SAF is claiming that Anderson "might have" an injury at the weekend. i.e. he'll take him out of the firing line until he can get his head straight (if we have anyone else who can play).

TBH SAF would have been absolutely FUMING about that performance. Useless though really - he really needs to get to the bottom of what makes Anderson tick. Confidence in Anderson seems to be a big thing, but Anderson has been written off before in his career many times and always come back.

He's been questioned about his mentality and ability to learn and always come back. he always seems to rely on his inate ability. This time ability alone won't cut it!

Hope he sorts himself out here at United!
 
peterstorey said:
No one espouses any such myth - it kinda canes your magic 25 though.
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Many do. Most comments current day fans make about most young midfielders are frankly shocking. Its like its a crime for a young midfielder to be inconsistent and show immaturity. When they see the slightest signs of immaturity they shout 'not good enough..''poor attitude''...
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Many do. Most comments current day fans make about most young midfielders are frankly shocking. Its like its a crime for a young midfielder to be inconsistent and show immaturity. When they see the slightest signs of immaturity they shout 'not good enough..''poor attitude''...
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True, CM is arguably the most difficult position to play and requires more experience and maturity. Fabregas is an absolute one-off, running the game at the Bernabeu at 17. That said I've long thought Anderson isn't a CM and doesn't appear to have a position in the modern game (in the PL at least). Diaby is in my view even more talented but he suffers from the same problems - not enough of a forward to play in the hole, not enough of a midfielder to play CM.
 
peterstorey said:
True, CM is arguably the most difficult position to play and requires more experience and maturity. Fabregas is an absolute one-off, running the game at the Bernabeu at 17. That said I've long thought Anderson isn't a CM and doesn't appear to have a position in the modern game (in the PL at least). Diaby is in my view even more talented but he suffers from the same problems - not enough of a forward to play in the hole, not enough of a midfielder to play CM.
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Out wide? In Diaby's case anyway.
 
I'm looking at 4231 so a wide AM needs to be even more of a forward (or be able to tuck in to make a 3 in CM). Diaby isn't helped by getting injured every time he starts to get some momentum (that psycho hack at Sunderland took 18 months out of him as well).
 
peterstorey said:
True, CM is arguably the most difficult position to play and requires more experience and maturity. Fabregas is an absolute one-off, running the game at the Bernabeu at 17. That said I've long thought Anderson isn't a CM and doesn't appear to have a position in the modern game (in the PL at least). Diaby is in my view even more talented but he suffers from the same problems - not enough of a forward to play in the hole, not enough of a midfielder to play CM.
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Diaby like Anderson will eventually come good IMO. They will just take their time. For I think they are both naturally in the hole playmakers ala Riquelme being converted to deeper roles.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Many do. Most comments current day fans make about most young midfielders are frankly shocking. Its like its a crime for a young midfielder to be inconsistent and show immaturity. When they see the slightest signs of immaturity they shout 'not good enough..''poor attitude''...
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People shout 'poor attitude' when he walks around the pitch barely breaking sweat. You can't blame fans impatience or his age on that.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Wrong. Midfielders start to mature at 25. If he is still this way aged 25 you can complain.
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Its not exactly a law of physics.

The problem is he hasn't show n any improvements since he has signed for us.He is more or less the same player which is really worrying now.

He has the potential but can't figure out why he can't fulfill it.
 
peterstorey said:
True, CM is arguably the most difficult position to play and requires more experience and maturity. Fabregas is an absolute one-off, running the game at the Bernabeu at 17. That said I've long thought Anderson isn't a CM and doesn't appear to have a position in the modern game (in the PL at least). Diaby is in my view even more talented but he suffers from the same problems - not enough of a forward to play in the hole, not enough of a midfielder to play CM.
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Wrong.

Its clearly centre of defense.
 
Cold_Boy said:
Its not exactly a law of physics.

The problem is he hasn't show n any improvements since he has signed for us.......
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Which isn't true at all. His stamina has gotten much better, so has his shooting and scoring, so have his best performances.

His current draw back is his worst performance levels have grown worse. But that is not terminal and neither is it an attitude issue. It can and will be corrected this season.
 
Cold_Boy said:
Wrong.

Its clearly centre of defense.
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When you last played football (if ever) did all the best players get asked to play central defence?
 
I grimaced every time he got the ball as I knew he'd give it away, which is a shame because when he's "on it" he can be bloody good!
 
So with Anderson, Cleverley and possibly Carrick and Giggs both out tomorrow, who will play in midfield?
 
Maciek said:
Apparently he made two successful tackles (x), does anyone remember them?

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Yup, he chased back and nicked the ball off a couple of Utelul players... And well done, too.

I think the criticism he's got for this match is unfair. Rooney craves the ball more and does more of the close passing, fair enough, Ando would do well to get more involved. They also both had a fair few marginally not good enough passes, but they go down as big fat red Xs.

Ando's had better games, but I don't think he looked disinterested like people say here. When he didn't bother chasing back it was because we had a solid group of numbers protecting us, and him going into the mix as well wasn't really necessary. He was also unlucky to score when Berba played him through and he had a few nice involvements going forward that might have paid off on another day.

So harsh, this forum, at times.
 
I think anderson permanently suffers from the flu,he just does not look fit to me at all..
 
I'm one of his brightest fans. But he was poor. All he really had to do was pay close to Rooney - short passes and everything would have come good. But he did to Rooney what Fletcher does to him - doesn't show for him so the closer passing range and mobility wasn't there and just as well the team was poor otherwise we wouldn't have had control of the midfield.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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When you last played football (if ever) did all the best players get asked to play central defence?
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I still think central defence is tough because one mistake and it could be fatal.

Centre of midfield is second most toughest but not by too far.

And yes I have played(when I was bit younger) and obviously passers or goalscorers will never be asked to play defense.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Which isn't true at all. His stamina has gotten much better, so has his shooting and scoring, so have his best performances.

His current draw back is his worst performance levels have grown worse. But that is not terminal and neither is it an attitude issue. It can and will be corrected this season.
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I am Anderson's one of biggest supporters. I really think he has so much potential but clearly I was hoping him to make a big step forward.Sadly he hasn't improved as much as we would have liked and which is not a lot.

But still I hope he will run our midfield in future.
 
I played everywhere (except RB & keeper) starting at LB (and ending up there when I was too crap to be anywhere else). I think CM is the hardest since you have to run like feck for 90 minutes (and be in the right place) and tackle and pass (and score a goal or two). I found CB a complete doss the only thing you really have to do is concentrate. Striker, I hated due to all the nothing runs and not being on the ball (see Rooney when he plays up top). Scoring goals is the hardest thing in football though - take too long and they tackle you, shoot too early and you fail. The instinct of an RvN is uncanny.
 
Aye, so long as you're tall central defence is a piece of piss. It all happens in front if you. You need eyes in the back of your head to be a decent central midfielder though. Not to mention stamina and technique. Most difficult position by far IMO.
 
This reminds of me some quotes by Giggs about CM being easier than the wings because you could pick and choose your moments, let me dig around for those.

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"I enjoy it," he told Sky Sports. "I've got Carras (Carrick) next to me, who was fantastic in the two games and it makes it easier when you've got the likes of Ji and Nani and Antonio around you, so I enjoyed it in there.

"I think it's easier in there than on the wing. On the wing you need to get up and down, in midfield you can just pick your moments, really. I enjoy it in there."
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It's interesting though because although I agree Centre Mid is the most difficult position Giggs doesn't think it's as physically demanding as we do.
 
He definitely seemed to "pick his moments" against Barcelona.

Although I don't even know what he means by that. But if United midfielders are allowed to "pick their moments" in games and don't have to concentrate for 90 minutes, that explains an awful lot...
 
Siorac said:
He definitely seemed to "pick his moments" against Barcelona.

Although I don't even know what he means by that. But if United midfielders are allowed to "pick their moments" in games and don't have to concentrate for 90 minutes, that explains an awful lot...
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He was referring to attacking more than anything you obviously can't pick your moments to defend can you? If anything he's probably referring to the step away from the old fashioned box to box midfielder. With teams tending to lean towards 3 man midfielders there is greater role definition, you now have holding midfielders, deep lying playmakers etc. and yes these have existed for a while but more and more teams are wisening up to these roles. I think the most difficult position to play in is midfield but it's more difficult to find a good centre-half.
 
Surely Giggs is just referring to the thing that the wing is to be covered by the back and the winger... We're thrilled that Nani's become a hard-working winger going back, Welbeck does the same, as does Valencia. When you're in centre mid not every movement behind your area means that you have to scamper back lest you're through with space, it's often more about just keeping shape and moving intelligently rather than instantly and intensely.

It demands more in terms of positioning and awareness and passing, to be in centre mid... but I can easily get that it's not as demanding in terms of interval-running.
 
Eriku said:
It demands more in terms of positioning and awareness and passing, to be in centre mid... but I can easily get that it's not as demanding in terms of interval-running.
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Anderson

Positioning - FAIL
Awareness - FAIL
Passing - FAIL

Hmmm, I wonder...........
 
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