Bebe | 2010/11 Performances

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Hang on. Why are people critcising him. All we know is that he's qulick, strong, reasonably skillfull and v. creative.

We're still not sure what his best position is. Wing, playmaker, centre forward?

Solskjaer and SAF have said that his finishing is exceptional - and they know a thing or 2 about finishing, so he might end up a centre forward yet - in much the same way Henry did.
 
championo said:
I thought he was just making a point about the Valencia game and stressing on how not ready he thinks Bebe is. He clearly established his hope that Bebe can prove his initial opinion of him wrong.
Anyway, Bellion was not that bad to me for it to elicit negative reaction when comparison are made, he was just not ready and he is looking a player nowadays.
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He didn't say anything about hoping his opinion was proved wrong and it seems to be solely based on a youtube compilation!

Bellion was a failure here, hence why it is a negative comparison. Surely that was obvious?

Anyway, he is in the squad tomorrow so hopefully if he is involved he can make a positive contribution.
 
I think he has to make the bench tomorrow seeing as our wide options are very limited
 
Sunny Jim said:
you're right. no doubt about it.

however Bebe is one unfortunate tackle on Park away from playing tonite.
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You think so? Macheda has played on the left before. As has Anderson.

I'm not saying Bebe won't play, just that it's not as simple as Park or Bebe.
 
I'm excited about him. He's got a great physique and obviously some talent as well. Very powerful runner and it's hard to say which position suits him the best.
 
The sort of player who will look better when he has better players around him IMO.
 
datura said:
CQ isn't a player?

Nani has actually flourished since CQ left, and Giggs has had an Indian Summer. Maybe the current coaches actually know what they're doing?
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True enough, but he was very useful in the bedding-in period so that's not unreasonable really.
 
datura said:
CQ isn't a player?

Nani has actually flourished since CQ left, and Giggs has had an Indian Summer. Maybe the current coaches actually know what they're doing?
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Not a slight on current coach Mr. Datura, it is rather one of cultural sensitivity. Not to do too much and not to do too little. We have improved greatly in transitioning Latin players, they are something else to the gaffer system in most places in UK.
BTW the current coaches nearly lost Nani and sometimes I wonder if he harbors anything in him. The coaches know what they are doing, but with Latin players, the approach should be soft in the beginning, but increased with an appropriate measure which needs someone like CQ to help
 
championo said:
Not a slight on current coach Mr. Datura, it is rather one of cultural sensitivity. Not to do too much and not to do too little. We have improved greatly in transitioning Latin players, they are something else to the gaffer system in most places in UK.
BTW the current coaches nearly lost Nani and sometimes I wonder if he harbors anything in him. The coaches know what they are doing, but with Latin players, the approach should be soft in the beginning, but increased with an appropriate measure which needs someone like CQ to help
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So what, if Queiroz never comes back to United in any capacity(which he won't), United should just stay away from all young latin players?
 
Seveneric said:
So what, if Queiroz never comes back to United in any capacity(which he won't), United should just stay away from all young latin players?
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No not at all, but we must make sure we embed them rightly. It is nice to have the player community here, if they can hear a coach instructing them in Spanish or Portuguese as well will be very good. Take Bebe for instance, I don't think his english is any good if he knows any at all. Can you imagine SAF screaming at him in his accent? Might scare Bebe for life.
Look, if we are to bring establish Latin players in, then I don't see a problem, but if you want to take these young boys, then they need similar setup to start off with.
I like Veron's take on his struggles here especially with training and that should tell you all you need to know about Latin players.
 
championo said:
Not a slight on current coach Mr. Datura, it is rather one of cultural sensitivity. Not to do too much and not to do too little. We have improved greatly in transitioning Latin players, they are something else to the gaffer system in most places in UK.
BTW the current coaches nearly lost Nani and sometimes I wonder if he harbors anything in him. The coaches know what they are doing, but with Latin players, the approach should be soft in the beginning, but increased with an appropriate measure which needs someone like CQ to help
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You don't think with the amount of Latin players we've had in recent years we are not equipped to deal with them?

The Nani comment is pure speculation and his recent behaviour and comments don't indicate any issues at all. In fact he is the one helping Bebe settle down the most, even going to support him when he played in the reserves.
 
datura said:
You don't think with the amount of Latin players we've had in recent years we are not equipped to deal with them?

The Nani comment is pure speculation and his recent behaviour and comments don't indicate any issues at all. In fact he is the one helping Bebe settle down the most, even going to support him when he played in the reserves.
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We signed most of them when CQ was here. He might have help Manchester United understand the psyche of these youngster a bit but at the end of the day, it will be like an english man teaching Japanese to Japanese children. You lose a lot of inflections.

I don't mind Latin players in the team, but I rather we don't go for them and look for gritty UK players who are tough, can withstand the cold weather. The Manchester United I fell in love with back in the early nineties has changed and sometimes a part of me will want to have that setup back. I am Latin and it may appear I want to see more of my people in the team, but it is to the contrary. We can't train nor play in a weather where Scholes thrives.
 
championo said:
The Manchester United I fell in love with back in the early nineties has changed and sometimes a part of me will want to have that setup back. I am Latin and it may appear I want to see more of my people in the team, but it is to the contrary. We can't train nor play in a weather where Scholes thrives.
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The game has changed though. Technique is more important than ever.
 
He had 10 minutes and the rest of the team didn't do much the previous 80.
 
Didn't get chance to do much really, but injected a bit of pace, should have been brought on earlier.
 
Did alright for 10mins in a game where we did nothing for the first 80 mins
 
Didn't get a chance to do much, looked really really fast and knows where to run.
 
evra said:
I thought he had an impact on the game, we attacked with a lot more pace after he came on.
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Nani looked a lot better on the left then he did on the right today, i think that was more to do with it if im being honest
 
At least he's made his Premier League debut. That should remove some of the anxiety for him.

He barely got any time to get into his stride today, when it was so obvious our left wing was non-existent. If he had come on earlier, maybe we would have shown more speed and penetration from both sides. Anyway I look forward to his next appearance. Fergie gave him a huge vote of confidence with that selection.
 
Raven_Blade said:
At least he's made his Premier League debut. That should remove some of the anxiety for him.

He barely got any time to get into his stride today, when it was so obvious our left wing was non-existent. If he had come on earlier, maybe we would have shown more speed and penetration from both sides. Anyway I look forward to his next appearance. Fergie gave him a huge vote of confidence with that selection.
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yep!
 
I like him so far. Looks pacey and strong with the head at the right place. That's my impression of him anyways. You'd have to have the head screwed on tightly to do what he has done with his situation.

Only thing is, what is his potential. Hard to pinpoint that.
 
Snow said:
I like him so far. Looks pacey and strong with the head at the right place. That's my impression of him anyways. You'd have to have the head screwed on tightly to do what he has done with his situation.

Only thing is, what is his potential. Hard to pinpoint that.
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Impossible for us fans to tell yet, but he now has a small PL cameo so Fergie must se something in him.
 
Loved the way that he'd lay the ball off and then just charge forward looking for a return pass or a through ball. Ridiculous speed and power in those runs that would be somewhat intimidating for the defenders.

Otherwise he showed some poor touches on the ball, but also some fairly good touches, some good off the ball movement and a very good work ethic. I'd play him in that position ahead of Macheda, Owen and probably Hernandez. The first two are very much strikers, not attacking wingers. See just what the Bebe can do.
 
Raven_Blade said:
At least he's made his Premier League debut. That should remove some of the anxiety for him.

He barely got any time to get into his stride today, when it was so obvious our left wing was non-existent. If he had come on earlier, maybe we would have shown more speed and penetration from both sides. Anyway I look forward to his next appearance. Fergie gave him a huge vote of confidence with that selection.
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He made himself available for the pass a couple of times towards the end, but Nani ignored him and instead went inside and took shots, and hit defenders.
 
That throw-in he took today was mindblowing.
 
BTV_is_neutral said:
He made himself available for the pass a couple of times towards the end, but Nani ignored him and instead went inside and took shots, and hit defenders.
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Yep Nani turning into Ronaldo on a bad day didn't help Bebe or the rest of the team at the end of the game.
 
BTV_is_neutral said:
He made himself available for the pass a couple of times towards the end, but Nani ignored him and instead went inside and took shots, and hit defenders.
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Today was one of the rare days that if someone said 'that's the old Nani' I would have to agree. This side of him, a player who just doesn't care who's in a better position was something I thought we'd seen the last of. It was ridiculous how everytime he got the ball towards the end he just seemed ignore everyone around him. Once Berbatov made a great run across the CB, but was against ignored. Instead, Nani proceeded to crack a shot against the back of the defender.

As for Bebe, again, nothing to judge him by. Simply too little.
 
Snow said:
Only thing is, what is his potential.
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Probably about 170. Ferguson should set Giggs as his tutor.

Seriously though, he's done alright so far. Bit of a dodgy pass just after coming on, but he recovered well. Nice work to win a throw-in on the left with Sunderland players surrounding him too.

We've got to remember he's been pulled up a number of divisions. Give him time, and I think he'll come good.
 
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