Without question he was the best player on the pitch today. And yes, it's a friendly and means nothing - but what are we doing offloading class like him?
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He'll get 20 goals for us in the league if started regularly.
He'll be sold, though.
He'll be sold, though.
Yeah, good comparison. One of the most original out there. Why don't throw Peter 'I'll fecking kill you' Schmeichel while we're at it? Wake up, Keano's no longer here, unfortunately, and there are no players of his ilk anywhere anymore. Football's changed, 'Warrior' Rooney is often guilty of coming half-arsed towards tackles and challenges nowadays, yet apparently he's a pitbull.
I prefer to see a disgust or even anger after some simplest mistakes than conforming each other everything's ok. He's his biggest critic, look how pissed off he is with himself if he does sth wrong. He doesn't have legs to run like a madman, nor does he have aggresion to do a Keano. That is if you couldn't notice yet. Players like him have to keep a reasonable amount of energy throughout the game in order to do everything which is their responsibility perfect.
Have you ever try playing as a striker, and done well after chasing the ball for 80 mins? To perform precision or sometimes even perfection you need to use your energy carefully. Look how shite Tevez was in front of the goal or in attacking formations regularly for us.
When he knows he's going to get there, why does he have to run around? To make you happy or sth?
we saw nothing new from Berbatov tonight
class touches, an eye for a pass, composure, great skills
In the premier league lets not forget his slow nature which slows our attacks down and lack of mobility which enables our opponents to regroup at the back and above all his lack of workrate and the fact he goes missing against good teams and away from home
Berbatov - a great player to have in the home games against small sides - apart from that he is a passenger
united are better when we are fluid and direct - unfortunately Berbatov doesnt really fit the bill
class touches, an eye for a pass, composure, great skills
In the premier league lets not forget his slow nature which slows our attacks down and lack of mobility which enables our opponents to regroup at the back and above all his lack of workrate and the fact he goes missing against good teams and away from home
Berbatov - a great player to have in the home games against small sides - apart from that he is a passenger
united are better when we are fluid and direct - unfortunately Berbatov doesnt really fit the bill
That's the problem. We are probably making more room for 'honest, pacey, hard, all-day running' players. To be honest to Fergie the whole team's set up demands those qualities, hence he does what's needed. Surely he knows best Berba's our best striker next to Rooney, but he would have to be a Zidane to make up for his industrial deficiencies for Fergie's liking.
Apart from that Welbeck's doing extremely well, and could become an improved Berba's version in the future, having all those mentioned qualities already in abundance.
And so it begins again. A good pre-season performance against a side who would probably get beaten by every Premiership side and we should be keeping him.
Listen, I really like Berbatov. He's a classy fotballer and a top guy, but how long before we realise that he just doesn't fit into our side? He may show glimpses occasionally and score some goals, but if we want to accommodate him perfectly then it means we're probably going to sacrifice Rooney.
It's not a case of Fergie preparing industrial, hard working players over players who are actually good on the ball. If that was the case then Carrick wouldn't be one of the first players in our team, while Scholes wouldn't have been as successful here as he has been. Welbeck and Hernandez both offer a lot more to our frontline than him at the moment, as annoying as that is considering Berbatov can be a superb striker when utilised correctly.
Listen, I really like Berbatov. He's a classy fotballer and a top guy, but how long before we realise that he just doesn't fit into our side? He may show glimpses occasionally and score some goals, but if we want to accommodate him perfectly then it means we're probably going to sacrifice Rooney.
It's not a case of Fergie preparing industrial, hard working players over players who are actually good on the ball. If that was the case then Carrick wouldn't be one of the first players in our team, while Scholes wouldn't have been as successful here as he has been. Welbeck and Hernandez both offer a lot more to our frontline than him at the moment, as annoying as that is considering Berbatov can be a superb striker when utilised correctly.
Yes. He'll get 4 or 5 in against the likes of Wigan and then go 5 games without scoring.
To be honest most of pro-Berbatov posters, myself included, say he doesn't suit us and it would be best to let him go. It's just lack of brain cells showed by not being able to differentiate between not fitting in and being rubbish that can get on your tits.
You sure? that 'a lot more' sounds somewhat dodgy as well. As for the opposite team's quality, again, whole team played against them, why didn't Hernandez blossom? or Macheda (bar goal)? Give credit where it's due.
Never ending story, I've already made my utmost best to end the whole discussion some time ago but it won't be done I see. The fact is, during past two seasons (I know he was given little time last season) he's done more than enough to deserve starting place. He didn't get it and won't, because he doesn't fit the system. He alone is easily good enough to partner Rooney, which he proved in his time post first two average to decent seasons. He's got nothing to be ashamed of as he proved the doubters wrong in his own right.
Time's for him to leave, not because he's not good enough, but because we need sth different, not better.
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You sure? that 'a lot more' sounds somewhat dodgy as well. As for the opposite team's quality, again, whole team played against them, why didn't Hernandez blossom? or Macheda (bar goal)? Give credit where it's due.
Never ending story, I've already made my utmost best to end the whole discussion some time ago but it won't be done I see. The fact is, during past two seasons (I know he was given little time last season) he's done more than enough to deserve starting place. He didn't get it and won't, because he doesn't fit the system. He alone is easily good enough to partner Rooney, which he proved in his time post first two average to decent seasons. He's got nothing to be ashamed of as he proved the doubters wrong in his own right.
Time's for him to leave, not because he's not good enough, but because we need sth different, not better.
He was indeed. I'm not saying that makes him a first-choice starter but it does seem strange to let him go when we probably won't get much of a fee.
True. His 20 goals against mediocre sides in 2010/2011 really sinked us.
It's no good scoring 5 against Blackburn then failing to score in his next 10 games (of which he started all but 1). Especially when those 10 games included draws against City, Villa, Bolton, WBA, Sunderland and Bolton.
Has it not already been pointed out that Berbatov scored more winners and opening goals than anyone that season? How many games did Rooney go without scoring in 10/11?
No-one is claiming that Rooney won us title that year.
On another note 45 good minutes against an unknown team and he's again the best ever. Keep him Fergie, sell the others.
Yeah, I get that. It's clear that he's a good footballer who thrives in the right setup. He clearly is a good player and there's no doubting that at all.
Welbeck certainly offers a lot more to the team than him, while if Hernandez doesn't offer more then it's certain that he links up with Rooney a lot better than Berbatov up front.
I don't think a game like this can really prove anything to be honest as well, especially when it's only a pre-season friendly. Berbatov has a habit of often delivering in the small games. Rarely did his goals for us come in the bigger games.
I just don't think he ever really forged a great partnership with Rooney to be honest. Hernandez and Rooney look a lot better together, which is why he lost his place in the season when he won the golden boot. I don't think he had any right to start too. Like it or not, the majority of his league goals came in 3 games, 2 of which we'd have still probably won with relative ease had he not played in them.
You've just picked 6 games and not really looked at why we drew them. If i remember correctly City parked the bus, Villa we were outplayed from the start, Bolton well god knows what happened there but our away form was shocking for most of the season. WBA was a VDS howler and if i remember correctly Berbatov scored a last minute winner against Bolton the second time round.
I always say what I see with Berbs. Plenty of times over the past 2 years I have more than acknowledged good games from him.
What is a guarantee is you obsessing over my posts.
It's flattering, but creepy.
Piss off you little twerp
You listed games in which we played like a pub team mostly. Rooney wasn't exactly firing from all angles in them as well, was he? And I do believe I've seen some stats saying Berba got the highest number of crucial goals, can be wrong on that, though.
Anyway, we can stick to that 'he's scored all the goals in 3 or 4 games' bollocks.
Anyway, we can stick to that 'he's scored all the goals in 3 or 4 games' bollocks.
Because people have clearly said that.
This Elezi guy clearly hates Berbatov. At least others made some attempts at providing rational arguments.
It doesn't really matter whether we think Berba is a misused genius or a misfit - which of us would back our own judgement against SAF's expertise & experience? Not me, for sure.
I was reading upside down as it goes. He didn't score for 10 games prior the Blackburn game. Not after.
As for Rooney, he also went 10 games that season. His first 10 games in fact. That was, however, quite comfortably Rooney's worst season at the club whereas it was Berbatov's best.
the thing that pisses me off about Berba is that we are only going to get £5m to £10m for him - he should have been sold last summer when we would have recouped most of his fee
I don't think anyone is questioning his judgement and we will trust him whatever he does, but if we're never going to discuss what Fergie does or plans to do with him then we might as well shut down this section.
We've jinked past QPR and Aston Villa among the others with relative ease this season, despite not scoring many goals against those. What would you give now for a couple of goals more in each of these games, though?
He is still a bit of a genius, who doesn't fit our approach. Fergie's been stating that for some time if you will.
It was a safe bet keeping him last season. Looking back on it, we could've arguably cut our losses and gotten rid for decent money, but did we know that Welbeck would have a good season and establish himself as a first team player? No, we didn't, so Fergie couldn't risk having only 2 possible established strikers who could be guaranteed to be able to cope at least in the first team had we sold Berbatov.
To be fair, I was delighted that we signed Berba. He could have been our new Cantona but - for whatever reason(s) - it didn't happen.
The final 3 months of the season Rooney was outstanding. But for most of the rest of it, he was woeful.
We've jinked past QPR and Aston Villa among the others with relative ease this season, despite not scoring many goals against those. What would you give now for a couple of goals more in each of these games, though?
The GD argument is annoying to be honest. I see your point, however there was never a guarantee that you could put Berbatov into one of those games and guarantee that he would score. That was the frustrating thing about him at times. He could do it one time, but the next he would be anonymous and offer nothing.
You can't go into a season with that attitude though, assuming it'll end on goal difference, considering last season was the first time it had happened in 20 years of Premier League football. It's a dangerous assumption to make and basing your team on it will usually get you nowhere.
People question Fergie over many things including Berbs all the time in fairness
It's big games where Fergie went for Hernandez-Rooney combo and it paid off. Against smaller teams at OT, Berba-Rooney partnership was the best we've had up front in recent 5 years. By that I mean a mere striking pair.
It's note hate, I never said that I hate him. But be real, a pre-season match doesn't mean anything, absolutely anything. Even if he had scored 30 times against a team like this, still that wouldn't mean anything.
Berbatov is a very talented player, no doubt about it. He is one of the players with the best first touch, also his composure is brilliant.
No-one is saying that he didn't contribute in 2010-2011 season. His goals made a big impact in us winning the title. Rooney was awful, Chicha was still adapting in England, it was him and Nani who with success lead our attack. But no-one can deny that he is one of the most inconsistent player we have ever had. Scoring 3 against Liverpool is brilliant - no-one from us has done it for half a century - and scoring 5 against Blackburn is wonderful too. But, in the 10 games between them, not scoring a single goal is terrible, awful. Also, Berbatov was a flop in almost all big games, and he was a flop in Champions League too.
Berba played a part in this club, but now for the good of him and for the good of the club, he should go. For next season, Rooney, Chicha, Welbeck and Kagawa are enough, and IMO all of them are player who contribute more than him to the team, player IMO should have more right of being starters than him (my judgement about Kagawa is from his time at Dortmund, of course I cannot know how good he will turn to us).
Fair point, but when you've got a main partnership you need them to be able to do it in the big games as well. Rooney-Hernandez did; Rooney and Berbatov generally didn't. Berbatov on his own as well was generally never a big game player either. A lot of the responsibility fell to him in 2010 after Rooney's injury and he just didn't deliver.
Bit of a devil's advocate question but...perhaps Rooney is the problem? The guy knows he'll pretty much always be selected, regardless of form or effort.
For Berbatov I think Rooney is the problem in a sense, but would you sacrifice Rooney for Berbatov? As much as he's a talented player, Rooney is a much better one.
I think it's safer to assume he would add a good number in those games than not, since he's been on fire in vast majority of his league starts, and managed a very good ratio.
True. I'm not entirely objective, tbh; I just wonder what we'd be like as a team without Rooney.
Those league starts were few and far between though. 2 of his goals, remember, came in a game which was still one of our most embarrassing defeats of the season. It's a nonce argument in a way considering the league is hardly ever decided on goal difference.
Certainly a poorer side...surely?
That's why I didn't question Fergie's judgement, he was right for the big games.
Sorry but that 'he didn't deliver when we need him' argument is somewhat rubbish. Whole team didn't deliver, it's not as if he was getting chances on a plate and fecking them up.
On the contrary, when he did carry us from the beginning to the middle of 2010/2011 season when Rooney was nowhere to be seen, yet it was apparently whole team's even effort. We choose arguments that suit us, or simply make them up.