Yeah. And it's hard to think of a replacement of the same calibre. I guess I find it hard to forget Roo's lackadaisical 'effort' in some games & his dreadful form in others.
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Yeah. And it's hard to think of a replacement of the same calibre. I guess I find it hard to forget Roo's lackadaisical 'effort' in some games & his dreadful form in others.
Certainly. He's our best striker and his mere presence makes us stronger.
Sell him, it's not like we've ever had injury problems and needed some depth of quality, is it?
He's certainly a very frustrating player, for me at least. His quality is undeniable when he is playing well though.
Towards the end of that season, some players did deliver. Nani actually produced some good form then for example and Scholes scored the crucial goal against Man City. Berbatov though, was nowhere to be seen when he was expected to lead the line. It wasn't as if he was unlucky as well. There were times when he was so anonymous that he might as well have not been on the pitch.
He did not carry us from the beginning to the middle of that season, unless 'carry' means make a good start and then become anonymous for a while, before having some games where he went on a scoring spree. Again, in that time Nani was having his best season at the club, Vidic was marshalling the defence and Hernandez chipped in with his fair share of goals as well. Him being our top scorer then did not mean that he carried the team. Far from it.
Yet, you would be something like 'like I said, he doesn't make it even against shit sides' had he played badly today.
I didn't need this friendly game to make up my mind as for Berbatov. The truth is, he didn't let us down once since 2010/2011, but haters will always use his initial 2 years at the club to ground their opinions.
Still it was nice to see him doing his stuff, from purely aesthetical reasons. Will miss him, we would do well to find another player of his technical equipment, that is if we ever need such one.
He plays for himself, in the way that it must give him pleasure. He doesn't give a feck about critics, that's why he goes down there, after traumatic season on the bench and is instantly the best player on the pitch. He's an entertainer, maybe the whole package that being a footballer nowadays means is too much for him, or simply doesn't suit him.
Scoring 20 goals in just over half of the season, while being top performer in most of games he featured in is for me 'carrying the team on'.
No offence to Vidic in particular and Nani, but it was Berbatov who was our best performer in that first half of the season.
He was never really a top performer in most games for us though. He was more of a player who would occasionally produce moments of genius and have some brilliant games. He was never a particularly consistent player who you could rely on to perform week in week out. He did not carry us at all that season. 8 of his goals came in games which we'd have still won, and probably won comfortably, had he not played in those games. He did very well that season, but let's not try and pretend that he was as vital to us as Rooney last season or in 2009/2010.
Not sure how you can take a moral ground over anyone when you practically Drove Noodles out of Caf with your stalking and then pathetically acted like a twat whilst gloating about in your location.
Anyway back to Berba, good match, some clubs are idiots for not biting our hands off for 5m Pounda.
Would I have said that? Surely not, it is a pre-season, who cares.
About letting us down, well 10 games without scoring is not good. Also in last 16 times he played in that season (8 of them he started), he scored only 2 goals. Again very bad.
I also think that if he would have been far away from the team in 2009-2010 and in FA Cup 2011, we would have win those trophies.
As I said, I never denied his talent. I just think that he should go now, and yes, we should have never signed him. For our bad luck and his good, we signed him for all those money.
Finally, not every talented player is a great player. Giovani Dos Santos is a brilliant example of this.
I didn't compare Rooney's contribution in those seasons to Berbatov's in 2010/2011, did I? And no, 2010/2011, different to other campaigns, wasn't about occasional moments of genius, but genuine sex from Berbatov. He won us more points than any other attacker, I call it carrying the team on.
No offense to Berbatov, both Nani and Vidic were far better than him in that half season. And no offense to him, Chicha and Rooney were far better than him in the second part of the season. Add to that list VDS who IMO, together with Vidic and Nani lead us to glory.
He didn't carry us though. Carry is what Van Persie did for Arsenal last season; what Rooney arguably did in 2009/2010. Was he carrying us when he went through that 10 game spell of not scoring. For a player to be carrying a club they have to be in the position that they'd start to fall apart if that player wasn't performing. That wasn't the case with him. By your logic every single team in football is being carried by a player, which is a laughable notion.
FFS Ismail, he was PL top scorer
Who would you replace him with, then?
Okay, while we're at it, I think we would have beaten Barcelona last time at Wembley if he played. We missed the link between midfield and attack
O'Shea, too. And Owen. Arguably Carrick as well. Anyway, dare I put Berba in top ten of the performers? Nah, there was Giggsy as well, not to mention Anderson.
Since the beginning to the middle of 2010/2011 season, Berbatov was carrying our attack on. Will stick to that.
FFS Ismail, he was PL top scorer
Who would you replace him with, then?
Okay, while we're at it, I think we would have beaten Barcelona last time at Wembley if he played. We missed the link between midfield and attack
Did I said that he wasn't Premier League top goalscorer? But, I don't think that is fair to forget all those games without scoring. If we hadn't Chicharito in the end of season we wouldn't have won the title, also Marseille would have eliminated us in Champions. Yet, I have never said that he won us the title and sent us to final in UCL. If it makes you feel better forgetting all his bad to average performances then it's ok, but it was very frustrating watching him in many games.
About those 2 trophies, I think that he was terrible in 2009-2010 and, those 2 chances he lost against City, an amateur footballer should have scored.
About linking the game between midfield and attack, who knows, maybe he could do a better job there than in attack. But for that he should run, which he doesn't like.
If by that you mean about ... 5 games then fair play.
FFS Ismail, he was PL top scorer
Who would you replace him with, then?
Okay, while we're at it, I think we would have beaten Barcelona last time at Wembley if he played. We missed the link between midfield and attack
I'm not sure if you are serious or I'm falling for the biggest wum ever. I imagine you didn't see the whole game because if you did you would realize that we where outplayed all over the park. Not even fecking Diego Armando Maradona together with a potent Edson Arantes do Nascimento could have saved us that night.
Let's make one thing clear. Berbatov is soon history in this club and he will probably be remembered for one good season including a couple of hat tricks against weak oppositions and one good game against Pool. In hindsight we should never had bought him but that's not his fault.
they were sitters, shit happens. The question so cleverly omitted, though, was who would you replace him with.
It's normal, you will play down his good games, I will play down his bad ones. You say he's frustrating to watch, well he can be. Nani's the most frustrating player ever, doesn't do him much harm, does it?
All in all, the facts are clear, he was PL top scorer while needing 105 mins to score a goal. If you can't acknowledge that fully, you're in denial.
At this point nobody is taking you seriously.
It means you haven't read the post that I commented on (which is a good thing after all perhaps). It was nice to read, anyway
The scary thing is, such a post will be taken seriously in this thread.
Well, I doubt that someone could have done much worse than him that season. Even our very own Kiko Macheda played better than him when manager gave him the chance. I dunno who I would have played, if Berba wouldn't be here then there would have been a different scenario, probably Tevez would have been here still or we would have signed a decent striker.
If you're argument is only that statistics of him being the PL top goalscorer, ignoring that 11 of his goals came in 3 games and in 39 other games he scored an amazing of 10 goals, then I doubt we should continue this. Di Natale, Gilardino consistently scored more than 20 goals in Serie A (where is even more difficult to score). Hell, even Andrew Johnson scored 21 goals in a single season in Premier League. Does that make them great footballers, who should have been starters at a club like United?
Well sorry, there were more good games. Seven or eight. And this time I am serious.
Now we really have nothing to talk about
EDIT:
I needed a bit of a good old dark humour before sleep.
Sorry if my disagreement with Noodle upset you. He gave as good as he got...he is a big boy.
Not sure how it affected you personally in any way though.
And not sure why any clubs have not gone after Berbatov yet either. I had suggested he may be asking for a 3 year contract and high wages which perhaps will deter any potential suitors.
What say you?
Now we really have nothing to talk about
EDIT:
I needed a bit of a good old dark humour before sleep.
You were consistently saying that he was PL top goalscorer (20 goals). That was your strongest argument.
But as you know, stats tell us only half of the story
.You were consistently saying that he was PL top goalscorer (20 goals). That was your strongest argument.
But as you know, stats tell us only half of the story
Wait... So your stats about him getting 10 goals in 39 games tell half the story?... Didn't know we've got 42 games in PL, let alone that Berba played in all of them that season.
Ah, and our very own Kiko scored an amazing total of one goal in 09/10 season. In ten games. Bearing in mind his hugely inferior general play - yes, he would've been such an improvement on Berbatov.
You could've at least used Owen as your argument!
As for Johnson, he needed 150 mins to score a goal, at least 150 from what I gather, and he was their main penalty taker as well, scoring 8 of his 21 goals from the spot.
Scratch it. Stats tell you half the story.
Bloody hell, we're comparing Andy Johnson to Berbatov. I blame you.
Anyway, off to bed. g'night.
I didn't compared Johnson to Berbatov, I just said that saying he scored 20 goals in a season isn't a such strong argument. Of course Berba is miles better than Johnson and Kiko. I mentioned Kiko cause he scored 2 important goals that season for us (Chelsea and Villa). Still he was very bad. Also when Berba don't score, he doesn't give that much. It's very good seeing his magic from times, but we are like without a player. As I have said many times, he doesn't like running, an important aspect of football.
And, United competition is not only Premier League, you know it? We play sometimes in Champions League, in cups too. And in Champions, Berba was a woeful player. By far, our worst player. His record at big games in the league is catastrophic too. Only one good game.
Good night!
Berbatov doesn't fit at United. He's a brilliantly talented player, but he doesn't fit the style we play. He doesn't do fast, counter-attacking football. Welbeck, Chicharito, and Rooney are all the type players who are suited to playing fast and on the counter. Essentially every player on the team is built for that approach to the game except for Berbatov. That doesn't mean he's crap. It just means he's not the player we need.
Tomuś, Berbatov has better goals to starts ratio than Cantona...
Bebe too.
Berbatov's fans are often irritating, most of us have their favourite player, I have no problem with that, but the argument that he was top scorer in 2010/11... you can't rely on a striker who scores three goals against weak opposition (ok, scored against Liverpool, too) and then disappears for next five games. The sooner some of you realise he's not a striker for Manchester United the better, those threads has become very annoying and I knew there would be three pages of debate after his decent performance against bunch of African no-names.
Bebe too.
Berbatov's fans are often irritating, most of us have their favourite player, I have no problem with that, but the argument that he was top scorer in 2010/11... you can't rely on a striker who scores three goals against weak opposition (ok, scored against Liverpool, too) and then disappears for next five games. The sooner some of you realise he's not a striker for Manchester United the better, those threads has become very annoying and I knew there would be three pages of debate after his decent performance against bunch of African no-names.
He is still a bargain imo and I'm not sure if going old is gonna affect his game too much. When I see that Steven Fletcher is priced at around 12m Pounds, It makes me sad that Berbs is going for 5m Pounds.
I think after last nights performance Gill's phone just might start to ring....people might say he doesn't really fit into our style of play, but he certainly would in another teams...
Sir Alex Ferguson has claimed he would be happy for Dimitar Berbatov to stay at Manchester United but accepts why the Bulgarian wants to leave.
United's record signing has cut a lonely figure since being left out of the squad for the Champions League final defeat to Barcelona in 2010. Berbatov was further squeezed out last term thanks to the emergence of Danny Welbeck, in addition to the presence of Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernandez.
"I do not need to herald the abilities of Dimitar Berbatov, he is a fantastic talent," said Ferguson. "Last season he didn't quite get the amount of football he wants. At his age, it was difficult for him to accept his position in the forward line. He had Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez in front of him, and they are all young men."
He went on: "The boy has a future, but if he wants to leave it is a different matter.
"I am easy about it if he stays. I would be happy with that
"But if someone comes in and Dimitar wants to leave, we will assess it."
Berbatov has been linked with AC Milan, who have just sold Zlatan Ibrahimovic to Paris St Germain and also a possible move to Turkey.
It does appear certain that at some point prior to the August transfer deadline, he will end an ultimately unfulfilling four-year stint with the club.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...stay-at-manchester-united-16186729.html?r=RSS
United's record signing has cut a lonely figure since being left out of the squad for the Champions League final defeat to Barcelona in 2010. Berbatov was further squeezed out last term thanks to the emergence of Danny Welbeck, in addition to the presence of Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernandez.
"I do not need to herald the abilities of Dimitar Berbatov, he is a fantastic talent," said Ferguson. "Last season he didn't quite get the amount of football he wants. At his age, it was difficult for him to accept his position in the forward line. He had Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez in front of him, and they are all young men."
He went on: "The boy has a future, but if he wants to leave it is a different matter.
"I am easy about it if he stays. I would be happy with that
"But if someone comes in and Dimitar wants to leave, we will assess it."
Berbatov has been linked with AC Milan, who have just sold Zlatan Ibrahimovic to Paris St Germain and also a possible move to Turkey.
It does appear certain that at some point prior to the August transfer deadline, he will end an ultimately unfulfilling four-year stint with the club.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...stay-at-manchester-united-16186729.html?r=RSS
Again suggesting nobody has actually been in for him... Someone must do at some point surely
It's only normal for him to say that. If Ferguson indicated he wants to get rid of Berba at all costs, we would hardly get any good price for him.
Sometimes I think you must be Johnno back, but you don't swear enough. You're not a Tevez love child or something are you? You just seem to have an unhealthy dislike of Berba
Indeed. He is clearly a very talented player!
He doesn't have an unhealty dislike of him. Most of his arguments were solid on the matter and the Johnson thing was taken out of context as it wasn't a direct comparison.