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Ok so here is what we need;

-A quality finisher
-someone who can play with their back to goal
-Someone who holds up the ball well
-Aerial threat
-Physical presence
-can also link up play
-intelligence
-looks to get in behind the defense
-experience
-composure

There are probably 2 or 3 players out there with these qualities, berbatov, ibrahimovic and eto'o.

You get these qualities with berbtov, and you get the genius that comes with him, im sure he would be willing to sometimes sit on the bench at times, as would rooney ronaldo and tevez, there would be times when they could all play too,they would all get plenty of playing time, so keeping them happy is not a problem... being on the bench at tottenham is very different to being on the bench at united.
 
Ok so here is what we need;

-A quality finisher
-someone who can play with their back to goal
-Someone who holds up the ball well
-Aerial threat
-Physical presence
-can also link up play
-intelligence
-looks to get in behind the defense
-experience
-composure

There are probably 2 or 3 players out there with these qualities, berbatov, ibrahimovic and eto'o.

You get these qualities with berbtov, and you get the genius that comes with him, im sure he would be willing to sometimes sit on the bench at times, as would rooney ronaldo and tevez, there would be times when they could all play too,they would all get plenty of playing time, so keeping them happy is not a problem... being on the bench at tottenham is very different to being on the bench at united.

We had won the CL and the EPL without having such superman. Meanwhile Spurs weren't even capable of going into the CL despite having Jesus erm Berbatov in their team.

What we need is a player like Saha (without the injuries). Someone quick and with a good eye to goal who would give his 100% for the team + wont sulk if he is sent on the bench if needed. You don't have to spend 30m+ for such player.

BTW since when Etoo is great on headers?
 
Success can be brought even by not signing anyone. The team is as strong as it is and had already proved it (CL and EPL winners). Stating that it wouldnt do us any harm in replacing Saha.

We definitely could win trophies next season with this exact same team, but it would be a risk not to buy a very good striker.

I was not a fan of it either as much as I wasn't exactly a fan of the Cole - Yorke tandem in its early days (Cole was no world beater while Yorke was good but his attitude sucked). Stating that both partnerships worked brilliantly and they have the honours that proves that. It kind of shows that when you have a winning system made up of good players willing to give their 100% to win then you can achieve great goals without the need to slashing 30m+ on some 27 yr old striker who had already turned you down before.

That's where we disagree, I think Tevez and Rooney don't work well together and I think Berbatov would be a better partner for them both.

Micheal costed us 17m, he was 25 yrs old, we were desperate for a midfielder and any signings we did before that to strengthen that area proved a massive failure. This case is much different. Our forward line is functioning brilliantly, we had just won the CL and the EPL and what we need is to replace a striker who hardly had any impact on last season's campaign.

Hardly had an impact? I give up.

Milito is a great player, Fenerbahce has not yet signed Guiza while anyone capable of scoring 30 goals in 51 matches must have a good eye to goal. Anyway I mentioned these players as an example to show that you don't need to spend 30m on Berbatov. We did won something without him am I right?

Yes and if I agreed with your sentiments about wanting to keep the Tevez-Rooney partnership intact then I would think that Guiza and Milito are two very good choices. But I don't. I want someone who is capable of starting more than half of our games, Guiza and Milito aren't that.
 
We definitely could win trophies next season with this exact same team, but it would be a risk not to buy a very good striker.

That is true but its not as if we need to spend 34m to do that.

That's where we disagree, I think Tevez and Rooney don't work well together and I think Berbatov would be a better partner for them both.
SAF thought that Collymore was a better option then Cole while Sacchi thought that Darko Pancev would be a better player then Dejan Savicevic. Both managers where proven wrong. The truth is that our team had scored goals for fun last season winning the CL and the EPL title. Now there is nothing wrong in trying to tweak things around. There again spending 34m for a 27yr old is a desperate measure. We are not desperate.



Hardly had an impact? I give up.
What had Saha done last season?


Yes and if I agreed with your sentiments about wanting to keep the Tevez-Rooney partnership intact then I would think that Guiza and Milito are two very good choices. But I don't. I want someone who is capable of starting more than half of our games, Guiza and Milito aren't that.
Why? Guiza and Milito are proven scorers who had shown time and time again that they are good. Ok they may not have an exotic name as Berbatov has, there again, the best striker we have had in the past decade was kicked on his butt in favor of a 12m rated striker who couldn't make it at Newcastle.
 
He creates a lot more goals than most strikers and this is good, because if he only scored goals he wouldn't be the same class of player. He'd only be a decent striker. The same as Tevez and Rooney do. They are creative forwards, rather than goal scorers. And with Rooney and Tevez we already have more forwards of this type and class than any other team on the planet. We're already being greedy. What we need now is someone to profit from their creativity. Thats not Berbatov, who prefers to sit and create rather than be the name on the scoresheet.

This is not true!! berbatov can do it all, although rooney and tevez strength is coming from deep, berbatovs strength is in his intelligence which he can use where ever he plays, At tottenham they lack creativity so he comes deep and takes that mantle, he is also there to score the goals when he gets the opportunity. Its his quality which lets him do this but it does not make him not a goaling scorer striker.

You cant make up your mind... i read earlier you were saying that hunterlaar is not what we want because he cant play, he can only finish.. surely that would be perfect then in your eyes because he could take advantage of ronaldo, rooney and tevezs creativity? but no you dont think he will suffice because he cant play and isnt mobile, even though above you said we need someone who can profit form the creativity...

Now berbatov who can do both is not good enough because he is just a deep lying striker? which he isnt... There isnt always the perfect player for your team, but there is a player close to it and that is berbatov.

Because we can't replace him right now and was integral to our success last season. :rolleyes:

I didnt ask a question, i answered one from golden, and i was saying that as a club you shouldnt keep a player from staying if he doesnt want to be there, but i understand why we want to keep ronaldo for another season. Rolling eyes is pathetic
 
Reading your reviews Im starting to believe that if Berbatov does concentrate a bit then he would be able to sume his opponents with fireballs from his eyes and balls of lighting from his arse.
 
That is true but its not as if we need to spend 34m to do that.

We don't need to, but we can and will if SAF thinks he should.

SAF thought that Collymore was a better option then Cole while Sacchi thought that Darko Pancev would be a better player then Dejan Savicevic. Both managers where proven wrong. The truth is that our team had scored goals for fun last season winning the CL and the EPL title. Now there is nothing wrong in trying to tweak things around. There again spending 34m for a 27yr old is a desperate measure. We are not desperate.

However our strikers didn't score goals for fun, Ronaldo did.

What had Saha done last season?

Oh, I thought you meant Berbatov.


Why? Guiza and Milito are proven scorers who had shown time and time again that they are good. Ok they may not have an exotic name as Berbatov have, there again, the best striker we have had in the past 10 years was kicked on his butt in favor of a 12m rated striker who couldn't make it at Newcastle.

I know that, and I enjoy watching them both in La Liga. Last year Guiza was quality and the year before Milito was probably even better. If we got them I would be perfectly happy, but we won't.
 
We don't need to, but we can and will if SAF thinks he should.

You are stating the obvious. ;)



However our strikers didn't score goals for fun, Ronaldo did.
Rooney and Tevez where instrumental in creating space for everyone to score.

Oh, I thought you meant Berbatov.
No problem.


I know that, and I enjoy watching them both in La Liga. Last year Guiza was quality and the year before Milito was probably even better. If we got them I would be perfectly happy, but we won't.
Ive just mentioned those names to show that there are other good players around.
 
This is not true!! berbatov can do it all

Christ :lol: You're clearly in love with him, so I won't bother trying to convince you.

I know what he's like as a player very well having watched him as much as possible this past season. He's not what we need in my opinion because he is NOT a great finisher, he misses chances he should score. He IS slow, but thats not much of an issue when he's playing OFF of someone who is a lot quicker, like Keane. He'd do the same with Rooney and it would work, but not as well as if Rooney was given his ideal partner which is someone with some pace and a keen eye for goal. If you deny any of these things, I'll know you clearly haven't watched him for an extended period of time in actual matches, rather than highlights shows.
 
Christ :lol: You're clearly in love with him, so I won't bother trying to convince you.

I know what he's like as a player very well having watched him as much as possible this past season. He's not what we need in my opinion because he is NOT a great finisher, he misses chances he should score. He IS slow, but thats not much of an issue when he's playing OFF of someone who is a lot quicker, like Keane. He'd do the same with Rooney and it would work, but not as well as if Rooney was given his ideal partner which is someone with some pace and a keen eye for goal. If you deny any of these things, I'll know you clearly haven't watched him for an extended period of time in actual matches, rather than highlights shows.

:lol:I do like berbatov yes, but as shown in the thread earlier, which you conveniently managed to ignore, so does ferguson. Ill take his judgement on a player ahead of most. I like that he is proven in the premiership, scores and creates goals and has genius in him.

You just admitted you have only watched berbatov this season and its clear from things you have said before that you really only started to watch him since we were linked with him. rather its you who watches the show real and highlights and are trying to distance yourself from such claims. Ive seen berbaotv play for about 4 years to be honest, and since he has been at spurs ive paid close attention to him because he is a player i admire.

Why have you ignored everything else i said about hunterlaar the great finisher who you dont want?, selective hearing i think thats called... i think you play too much champ manager mate, look around there is not much better out there for us than berba
 
We had won the CL and the EPL without having such superman. Meanwhile Spurs weren't even capable of going into the CL despite having Jesus erm Berbatov in their team.

1 player doesn't make a team, so why expect berbatov to perform such ridiculous miracles and break tottenham into the top 4?!? From what ive read of you before you seem like a sensible poster but to suggest that is stupid

What we need is a player like Saha (without the injuries). Someone quick and with a good eye to goal who would give his 100% for the team + wont sulk if he is sent on the bench if needed. You don't have to spend 30m+ for such player.


BTW since when Etoo is great on headers?

He isnt really, but he ticked all the other boxes and would fit the bill, I dont think berbatov would sulk if he was left out of the team occasionally same as the others. As i said its one thing being on the bench at spurs totally different being on the bench at united, where he would also get many games.
 
If there is a player out there that would help us retain the CL next year, I doubt SAF will worry too much about his age as long as the price is reasonable.

That said, reasonable prices are long gone.
 
If there is a player out there that would help us retain the CL next year, I doubt SAF will worry too much about his age as long as the price is reasonable.

That said, reasonable prices are long gone.

I dont think the price, unless it is ridiculously extortionate is a problem, as long as he is going to add to what we already have. Berbatov is very different to what we already have and would no doubt add that bit of quality, composure and experience. When the likes of giggs and scholes are gone berbatov would be the man that the youngsters can look to.
 


has no pace?
not a natural finisher?
cant play on the last man?

in 7 from 10 of these goals he scores goals from the lead strikers position, in about 3 of them he shows great pace to beat defenders, and in all of them shows a great instinct for knowing where the back of the net is.

If he does sign for us ekeke you will be proved wrong by the man im 100% sure of that.
 
:lol: Typical retarded insults. I'm sure you're the youngster here. I mean, you better be so that you have time on your side to correct yourself.

what should i correct myself about?
You dont respond to questions in posts, you ignore sections from replies and pick things out of context, and your very pedantic.

Im 23 and ill always keep learning things about football, and i appreciate what people say and ill give my opinion on whats said, yet you talk as if you know it all and have very stubborn and rigid ideas; i.e. we need pace... tevez cant play with berbatov, berbatov cant play with manucho?!


So if not berbatov because apparently he is a deep striker, and not hunterlaar who plays inside the 18 and scores goals for fun, who would you choose?
 


another video from the man in question.

I like his attitude, has a definite aura about him, seems like an alright guy as well
 
1 player doesn't make a team, so why expect berbatov to perform such ridiculous miracles and break tottenham into the top 4?!? From what ive read of you before you seem like a sensible poster but to suggest that is stupid

This is something we should bear in mind well. We have a great team capable of winning the EPL title and the CL. Why should we spend 30m+ for a 27 yr old, which we are clearly not desperate for?

He isnt really, but he ticked all the other boxes and would fit the bill, I dont think berbatov would sulk if he was left out of the team occasionally same as the others. As i said its one thing being on the bench at spurs totally different being on the bench at united, where he would also get many games.
Does he? I talk with loads of Barca fans and two things that they tend to critise Etoo about is that

a) he is not a target man
b) his attitude sucks.

Andy Cole was just a glorified goal poacher at Newcastle but he adapted well in our system. Saha couldnt cut the mustard at feckin Newcastle but he was able to replace the most lethal striker we had ever had since Dennis Law. This is what we need, ie good players who are willing to do every type of sacrifice for the team. Spending 32m on a 27 yr old when we had just won the CL and EPL title is not just a bad deal but is also an insult to those players who won us everything. Its like saying, "Look guys, you are clearly not good enough because I had to spend bucketloads of money on a quick fix"

I say let us give 18m for Berbatov. If Spurs refuses then let them keep him. Im sure he will be excited to the prospect of having lost such a golden occasion to at least win something in his career and he would surely give his 100% for Spurs cause.
 
what should i correct myself about?
You dont respond to questions in posts, you ignore sections from replies and pick things out of context, and your very pedantic.

The only people I blank or ignore are those who have proven to me they are not worth replying to. It's actually an extremely small amount of people, but they are usually people who have resorted to insulting me because they don't agree with my opinion.
Im 23 and ill always keep learning things about football, and i appreciate what people say and ill give my opinion on whats said, yet you talk as if you know it all and have very stubborn and rigid ideas; i.e. we need pace... tevez cant play with berbatov, berbatov cant play with manucho?!


So if not berbatov because apparently he is a deep striker, and not hunterlaar who plays inside the 18 and scores goals for fun, who would you choose?

Quoted from the Berbatov thread :

All very true. A brilliant player. And I'm not sure anyone actually disagrees.

The question is... Is he the right player to bring out the best in the players we already have? And thats where people disagree.

Most would agree that Rooney is best playing off and behind another striker. Personally, I felt Rooney's best partnership was with Saha last year, because of the qualities Saha had. It was a fantastic partnership in prospect because of all the complimentry abilities they had. But it wasnt quite perfect, because neither player was a fantastic finisher. They both still missed chances they really should be scoring 9 times out of 10.

For me, Rooney was good last year but nowhere near his best. I think we lost the two things that marked Rooney out from a crowd - A fantastic long ranged shot and a very clever through pass. These were the features of his game that I enjoyed most and the two things I feel he was most effective with. We also stopped seeing Rooney's great dribbles he'd come up with in the past. I can think of 4 or 5 times where Rooney had in the past gone past 3 or 4 players... And I admit, he usually ended up fluffing the shot. But those are the moments he is capable of and I feel his 'form' and these abilities are directly tied with him getting back to his natural position behind a striker. I think thats where he has most confidence, thats where he feels natural and can express himself best. He can't do any of these with his back to goal. He needs to face it.

So, because the press and certain posters were sure we were trying to sign Berbatov, I made sure to watch Spurs as often as possible. And because of that I got to see some really good games. But I also noticed that Berbatov was not playing where he was played for Leverkusen many years ago when we played them in the champions league. He was dropping off in almost every attack and was only playing in front of Robbie Keane when the keeper was kicking the ball half way up the pitch. As a side note, half the time Berbatov would bring the ball out of the sky and down to the ground brilliantly. Half the time it would get away from him. But it was a good tactic, as it worked somewhat.

This is someone I'd rather us not sign. Not because he isnt a fantastic player, but because we already have the stars of our team and now we just need to ally them with players who will get the best from them. And thats not to say that whoever we sign cant be a star player himself, just that its far more important that they have the right complimentry style and ability to bring the best out of, in this case, Rooney and Ronaldo.

For me, Rooney has good pace but not great. He can finish well, but often he wont. He plays best behind another forward, who makes the runs over the top and is more relied upon to score goals than he is, which allows for Rooney's mistakes in front of goal... Else he'll cost us games with his finishing. And Rooney at his best, was as good as any off striker at picking out the run of his partner and playing a great through pass to set him away.

So thats why I would like us to sign someone with good pace, with a will to get behind the last defender and through on goal and with a very good finish. Because I feel that will get the best out of Wayne Rooney.

I will add that, with regard to Berbatov - £30 million would be far too much to pay for a player who is 27 and not already at one of the top clubs. Normally when that kind of fee is paid, its because a player has 10 years left on his career and awesome potential to become one of the best 2 or 3 players in his position during that time. Or, its a player who is essential to one of Europe's elite top clubs. Real, Barcelona or in the past, Juventus.

I think there's so much hype over him because he is skillful and if you watch highlights, he will always do something classy to impress you, that the fee would be £25 million or more. Which to me is way over the top, especially considering we'll be paying that for the services of Tevez too.

Now again, this is my opinion and not everyone will agree. But Tevez last season showed himself not to be a fast player. I'm thinking and hoping it was partly to do with fatigue and not having rest, as I can remember a few games where he looked a tad bit more mobile - but still not that fast. I hope that next season he will show that he does have a Rooney standard of pace, but I'm not at all sure its going to happen. Instead I'm of the belief he'll only be slightly faster than he was this season.

And having watched Berbatov a lot this season also, I feel they would not be a good combination. I feel that once again, like Rooney, Tevez' best partner is a mobile goal scorer who will get on the end of his creativity and score the majority of the goals between the two of them. And regardless of how skillful Berbatov is, thats not him.

So again, I say that paying £30 million for Tevez as we will need to by the end of this season and then £30 million (or 25) on Berbatov, when they wont be a good partnership sounds mad. If we manage to finally get Manucho here, he'd have even more problems playing with Berbatov.

And thats my thinking explained in depth. I'm sure lots of people will disagree, but tough turd nuggets, thats my opinion and I've seen all the players (minus Manucho) in question enough to be entirely solid on it.

Although having said all that, if we got him much cheaper than expected he'd hardly be the worst player to buy. Just not one of the best either, again, in my opinion.

Edit - I also feel Ibrahimovic is more mobile and would therefore be a better partner for Tevez and Rooney than Berbatov, whilst being a very similar style of player. So if we're going to go £30 million on that kind of player, he'd only be my 2nd choice.
 
This is something we should bear in mind well. We have a great team capable of winning the EPL title and the CL. Why should we spend 30m+ for a 27 yr old, which we are clearly not desperate for?
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We shouldn't rest on our laurels, look what happened last time we won the champions league, we need to improve on areas we are weak in, like the striker department, so different kind of striker is a must,. there is no point in buying someone for the sake of it, and if means we have to pay top prices then so be it, it will only make us stronger, and we can afford to pay that money for a striker so the price really isnt a problem if we are prepared to pay it.

Does he? I talk with loads of Barca fans and two things that they tend to critise Etoo about is that

a) he is not a target man
b) his attitude sucks.

I didnt say we needed a target man, i just listed a set a attributes that the striker we need to sign should aim to have, and i never said i wanted to sign him, just his footballing attributes fitted the bill, i think he is a trouble maker and dont want him.


Spending 32m on a 27 yr old when we had just won the CL and EPL title is not just a bad deal but is also an insult to those players who won us everything. Its like saying, "Look guys, you are clearly not good enough because I had to spend bucketloads of money on a quick fix"

I say let us give 18m for Berbatov. If Spurs refuses then let them keep him. Im sure he will be excited to the prospect of having lost such a golden occasion to at least win something in his career and he would surely give his 100% for Spurs cause.


Its not like saying that at all, its just about having the right numbers and players competing for each position so it keeps them on their toes and striving to play to the best of their ability, look at last season, most of the time we didnt even have a striker on the bench, we are clearly light in that area, also there were a few games where we needed something different to what rooney and tevez offer. Its about replacing players who need to be replaced, like saha, and players who have yet to be replaced like ruud. The players no at manchester united there will always be competition for places, and up front atm we dont have that.

i think anything between 25-30 million would be fair for a player of his quality and entering his prime, not to mention his proven premiership pedegree in an average side, he still shined. Spending a little more reduces the risk and would be more beneficial in the long run, we would make the money back, with our success on and off the pitch.
 
The only people I blank or ignore are those who have proven to me they are not worth replying to. It's actually an extremely small amount of people, but they are usually people who have resorted to insulting me because they don't agree with my opinion.
Quoted from the Berbatov thread :

Well we will agree to disagree then, because in my eyes berbatov is a different player to what you see him as, and has many qualities which you claim he doesnt. Check out them videos and you will see he is great at getting in behind and creating that space, its not all about pace, but intelligence, he has pace but not electric, and he can finish well when given the chance, he can even create something out of nothing for himself, just imagine the chances he would get in our side, and how many more he would get in our side compared to spurs.

I have though about this long and hard, and in my eyes he is best suited to what we need and the price for me isnt an issue
 
We shouldn't rest on our laurels, look what happened last time we won the champions league, we need to improve on areas we are weak in, like the striker department, so different kind of striker is a must,. there is no point in buying someone for the sake of it, and if means we have to pay top prices then so be it, it will only make us stronger, and we can afford to pay that money for a striker so the price really isnt a problem if we are prepared to pay it.

Who said so? Ive never said that we should not get a good striker. What I said is that we should not be stupid in spending a fortune (and therefore strengthening rivals) on a 27 year old when we can make better use of that money.

I didnt say we needed a target man, i just listed a set a attributes that the striker we need to sign should aim to have, and i never said i wanted to sign him, just his footballing attributes fitted the bill, i think he is a trouble maker and dont want him.
You misunderstood me. What I was trying to say is that there are times that you do not need names to build a great side. For example when we brought Cole to OT he was just a goal poacher playing a system which wasn't exactly ideal for him. Yet he adapted to our system and he did well. Same thing can be said about Yorke who scored just 16 goals in his last year with Villa (hardly a great record isnt it?)

On the other hand, Ruud was probably the most effective striker we had in the past decade and yet, when we change the system he was not able to adapt to it. Football is not a game where a player with rating 20 would do well while one with rating 4 would struggle. Attitude, character and ability to do well and improve can do miracles.


Its not like saying that at all, its just about having the right numbers and players competing for each position so it keeps them on their toes and striving to play to the best of their ability, look at last season, most of the time we didnt even have a striker on the bench, we are clearly light in that area, also there were a few games where we needed something different to what rooney and tevez offer. Its about replacing players who need to be replaced, like saha, and players who have yet to be replaced like ruud. The players no at manchester united there will always be competition for places, and up front atm we dont have that.

i think anything between 25-30 million would be fair for a player of his quality and entering his prime, not to mention his proven premiership pedegree in an average side, he still shined. Spending a little more reduces the risk and would be more beneficial in the long run, we would make the money back, with our success on and off the pitch.
You do not add the numbers by bringing in a 27 yr old striker in a 30m+ deal. If you bring such player then you have to play him and as a first teamer. We had already gone to this route with Seba Veron where the team was changed and twisted to accomodate a player who was clearly not doing us any good. I think that Tevez should be given at least a realistic chance to compete for his first team place. He deserves it.

30m are worth spending when the team is so weak in a particular position (for example when we brought Rio) or there is a special young talent on the market (for example Rooney or Torres). You dont spend it on 27 yr old player who is playing with a small club and is clearly unhappy with the situation.
 
Who said so? Ive never said that we should not get a good striker. What I said is that we should not be stupid in spending a fortune (and therefore strengthening rivals) on a 27 year old when we can make better use of that money.

Strengthening the rivals cash, but we would be strengthening our team, and tottenham aren't exactly our rivals are they. Im all for buying a young talent, in benzema but i dont think he is available, and if there are any other ones out there, but if fergie doesn't think they are worth the risk because he needs success then he will spend a little more for a more of a sure thing,

You misunderstood me. What I was trying to say is that there are times that you do not need names to build a great side. For example when we brought Cole to OT he was just a goal poacher playing a system which wasn't exactly ideal for him. Yet he adapted to our system and he did well. On the other hand, Ruud was probably the most effective striker we had in the past decade and yet, when we change the system he was not able to adapt to it. Football is not a game where a player with rating 20 would do well while one with rating 4 would struggle. Attitude, character and ability to do well and improve can do miracles.

I agree, and if we could find someone to add to what we have got id be all for it, but it is hard. You just know what your going to get with berbatov and it would be a delight to see him in tandem with the holy trinity

You do not add the numbers by bringing in a 27 yr old striker in a 30m+ deal. If you bring such player then you have to play him and as a first teamer. We had already gone to this route with Seba Veron where the team was changed and twisted to accomodate a player who was clearly not doing us any good. I think that Tevez should be given at least a realistic chance to compete for his first team place. He deserves it.

We did have about 5 central midfielders then competing for 2 spots, butt, keane, scholes, veron plus the fringe players. Now we only have tevez and rooney, so we are undenyably light and there is nothing to say that in buying berbatov we could not accommodate them all in our side.

example=
---carrick - anderson---
ronaldo - rooney - tevez
---------berbatov---------

We play 2 games a week, there are injuries, bans and keeping players fresh to take into account so there is a way of keeping them all happy.

30m are worth spending when the team is so weak in a particular position (for example when we brought Rio) or there is a special young talent on the market (for example Rooney or Torres). You dont spend it on 27 yr old player who is playing with a small club and is clearly unhappy with the situation.

we are weak in this position, berbatov will still be the same player in 5 years time, because he doesn't rely on his pace, he is like sheringham, he relies on his brain and touch, so 25-30 mill over a minimum 5 years wouldn't be a bad deal, especially if he brings the success that ferguson is hoping for . Benzema is really the only young talent who could do the job we need but he wont leave and lyon wont sell, so you have to look elsewhere.

He is a real team player and it would definatly compliment our system, i see what your saying about it being a lot of money, but the situation makes the price go up, come on darren bent went for 18 mill so surely berbatov is worth a little more, he COULD become what bergkamp was to arsenal to us, he has it in him, he just needs the platform
 
Strengthening the rivals cash, but we would be strengthening our team, and tottenham aren't exactly our rivals are they. Im all for buying a young talent, in benzema but i dont think he is available, and if there are any other ones out there, but if fergie doesn't think they are worth the risk because he needs success then he will spend a little more for a more of a sure thing,

25 - 35m is quite an enormous sum of money which would strengthen any side. Honestly I dont see it spent wisely on a 27 yr old with just 5 good years left in him. If we where desperate then I would say feck it let us get it but it certainly not the case. Id rather see us bring in a good striker at a decent price and keep the money for when the next big thing emerges. Let us focus on what we need. We need someone to replace Saha and add us options upfront. Do we need to spend a capital for that expecially considering that god only knows whether Giggs and Gaz can carry on doing the sterling job they used to do + we have yet to buy Tevez?


I agree, and if we could find someone to add to what we have got id be all for it, but it is hard. You just know what your going to get with berbatov and it would be a delight to see him in tandem with the holy trinity
Its not that hard. There are good strikers on the market at the right price. I had mentioned two (Milito and Guiza) and I am no scout. Let Spurs keep their 27 yr old unhappy player. Im sure that such thing will only do them good.


We did have about 5 central midfielders then competing for 2 spots, butt, keane, scholes, veron plus the fringe players. Now we only have tevez and rooney, so we are undenyably light and there is nothing to say that in buying berbatov we could not accommodate them all in our side.

example=
---carrick - anderson---
ronaldo - rooney - tevez
---------berbatov---------

We play 2 games a week, there are injuries, bans and keeping players fresh to take into account so there is a way of keeping them all happy.

we are weak in this position, berbatov will still be the same player in 5 years time, because he doesn't rely on his pace, he is like sheringham, he relies on his brain and touch, so 25-30 mill over a minimum 5 years wouldn't be a bad deal, especially if he brings the success that ferguson is hoping for . Benzema is really the only young talent who could do the job we need but he wont leave and lyon wont sell, so you have to look elsewhere.

He is a real team player and it would definatly compliment our system, i see what your saying about it being a lot of money, but the situation makes the price go up, come on darren bent went for 18 mill so surely berbatov is worth a little more, he COULD become what bergkamp was to arsenal to us, he has it in him, he just needs the platform
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Tevez is actually crap on the flank mate. You either play him upfront or you send him on the bench. I agree with you that we do need a striker because Saha is always injured. There again do we really need to spend 30m+ on a 27 yr old striker (who is unhappy btw) who has little to no experience at CL level? Dont forget two things

a) that by doing so we would be sending the wrong message that we are a cash cow, something that we aren't

b) If we dont sign Berbatov then the biggest loser will not be us but Spurs. I mean we can always find a decent striker if we truly want. There again it Spurs will have to keep an unhappy player, who at the wrong end of his career and whose price is going down with every month that passes.

BTW if Spurs are so stupid to spend 18m on a one season wonder then I dont see the reason to mend for their mistake by giving them ridiculous amounts of money on a 27 yr old player who clearly doesn't want to play for them.
 
The fact remains we know Berbatov is a player Fergie admires and has bid for in the past, he is always stubborn when going after certain players especially someone with the arrogance and ability of Berbatov. Playing here under this pressure would not hinder him but he would perform better than ever, thats what happens when good player are surrounded with quality. Is he worth that amount at that age? feck no. However, nobody knows what the eventual fee would be if he came or if Fergie would be willing to spend that because he thinks he could have a huge impact and give us 5+ good seasons and trophies.

Instead of raising negative convoluted arguments on a player who Ferguson will know more about, or suggesting what fee you personally would pay for him when your not David Gill... lets just see how things transpire and if we are indeed interested again.
 
The fact remains we know Berbatov is a player Fergie admires and has bid for in the past, he is always stubborn when going after certain players especially someone with the arrogance and ability of Berbatov. Playing here under this pressure would not hinder him but he would perform better than ever, thats what happens when good player are surrounded with quality. Is he worth that amount at that age? feck no. However, nobody knows what the eventual fee would be if he came or if Fergie would be willing to spend that because he things he could have a huge impact and give us 5+ good seasons.

Instead of raising negative convoluted arguments on a player who Ferguson will know more about, or suggesting what fee you personally would pay for him when your not David Gill... lets just see how things transpire.

No one knows exactly whether Ferguson is interested in him anymore. Ive always said it, if SAF wants to spend 30m on him, then I wont complain. I only hope that it wont be another Seba type of deal in disguise.
 
Very true, its based on the past bid, talks from his agent that there was another bid discussed in the January window, Fergies public admiration etc. Its not guaranteed now and is only persistent paper rumours etc and im partly basing it on Fergie being stubborn on things like this especially players like him that are a bit different. Seba was a bit different though, with the new league and culture etc and the fact our best player in my opinion was moved around to accomodate him but I know what you mean.
 
If we were going to play Tevez as a wide man we'd have done it last season instead of benching him for champions league games.
 
... In that article it says he has 2 with the option of another 2, still only 2.
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It's 2 years with an option for the club (not the player) to extend by two years. Obviously the club would take up that option, so as I've said his contract has effectively 4 years left to run, not 2.
 
I only hope that it wont be another Seba type of deal in disguise.
I don't see the Seba comparison. In hindsight it is easy to see that it wouldn't work, simply because Veron was a player that needed to be the main deep-lying playmaker, and basically have the midfield built around him. But Keane basically played the same position when we had the ball, and of course everybody on the team would generally look to him rather than the new guy. Plus the fact that Veron just struggled to get handle on the English game.

Wheras Berbatov has proven to flourish in the Premier League. And he wouldn't clash with our other players. Some people say that he drops too deep, but the key is that the time we most need a target man is when the opposition are on the attack and we need to clear the ball. And those are the times when Berbatov does stay upfront. When we are in the attack is when we move all around and rotate our front men, and Rooney would be expected to make the runs off Berbatov when Berbs has the ball (as would Ronaldo, but he already does so nothing would change there). Rooney would be the big winner when playing off of Berbatov.
 


has no pace?
not a natural finisher?
cant play on the last man?

in 7 from 10 of these goals he scores goals from the lead strikers position, in about 3 of them he shows great pace to beat defenders, and in all of them shows a great instinct for knowing where the back of the net is.

If he does sign for us ekeke you will be proved wrong by the man im 100% sure of that.


That goal against Roma :drool::drool::drool::drool:
 
If we were going to play Tevez as a wide man we'd have done it last season instead of benching him for champions league games.

He says that he doesn't like it there. However, with Argentina he plays wide striker in a 4-3-3...
 
I don't see the Seba comparison. In hindsight it is easy to see that it wouldn't work, simply because Veron was a player that needed to be the main deep-lying playmaker, and basically have the midfield built around him. But Keane basically played the same position when we had the ball, and of course everybody on the team would generally look to him rather than the new guy. Plus the fact that Veron just struggled to get handle on the English game.

Wheras Berbatov has proven to flourish in the Premier League. And he wouldn't clash with our other players. Some people say that he drops too deep, but the key is that the time we most need a target man is when the opposition are on the attack and we need to clear the ball. And those are the times when Berbatov does stay upfront. When we are in the attack is when we move all around and rotate our front men, and Rooney would be expected to make the runs off Berbatov when Berbs has the ball (as would Ronaldo, but he already does so nothing would change there). Rooney would be the big winner when playing off of Berbatov.

finally some sense!
 
25 - 35m is quite an enormous sum of money which would strengthen any side. Honestly I dont see it spent wisely on a 27 yr old with just 5 good years left in him. If we where desperate then I would say feck it let us get it but it certainly not the case. Id rather see us bring in a good striker at a decent price and keep the money for when the next big thing emerges. Let us focus on what we need. We need someone to replace Saha and add us options upfront. Do we need to spend a capital for that expecially considering that god only knows whether Giggs and Gaz can carry on doing the sterling job they used to do + we have yet to buy Tevez?


Its not that hard. There are good strikers on the market at the right price. I had mentioned two (Milito and Guiza) and I am no scout. Let Spurs keep their 27 yr old unhappy player. Im sure that such thing will only do them good.



Tevez is actually crap on the flank mate. You either play him upfront or you send him on the bench. I agree with you that we do need a striker because Saha is always injured. There again do we really need to spend 30m+ on a 27 yr old striker (who is unhappy btw) who has little to no experience at CL level? Dont forget two things

a) that by doing so we would be sending the wrong message that we are a cash cow, something that we aren't

b) If we dont sign Berbatov then the biggest loser will not be us but Spurs. I mean we can always find a decent striker if we truly want. There again it Spurs will have to keep an unhappy player, who at the wrong end of his career and whose price is going down with every month that passes.

BTW if Spurs are so stupid to spend 18m on a one season wonder then I dont see the reason to mend for their mistake by giving them ridiculous amounts of money on a 27 yr old player who clearly doesn't want to play for them.

I can see your point about the price being too much for a guy his age, but i think it would prove money well spent, so we will have to disagree there. And if there was a younger striker who could give us wat we need at a cheaper price id be all for it, but berbatov is a bit special and there isnt anyone out there like him.

Berbatov does have champions league experience btw

The 3 behind berbatov would essentially have free roles and be allowed to roam, not so rigid as you might think, it would allow them all to rotate and it wouldn't tie a player down to a single position but let them play freely and take up positions on their own initiative with berba ahead of them.
 
what should i correct myself about?
You dont respond to questions in posts, you ignore sections from replies and pick things out of context, and your very pedantic.

Im 23 and ill always keep learning things about football, and i appreciate what people say and ill give my opinion on whats said, yet you talk as if you know it all and have very stubborn and rigid ideas; i.e. we need pace... tevez cant play with berbatov, berbatov cant play with manucho?!


So if not berbatov because apparently he is a deep striker, and not hunterlaar who plays inside the 18 and scores goals for fun, who would you choose?
Ignore Ekeke. Provided a striker's name is not Villa or the striker doesn't play like the Spaniard. He can't see the sense in him being signed by United
 
I don't see the Seba comparison. In hindsight it is easy to see that it wouldn't work, simply because Veron was a player that needed to be the main deep-lying playmaker, and basically have the midfield built around him. But Keane basically played the same position when we had the ball, and of course everybody on the team would generally look to him rather than the new guy. Plus the fact that Veron just struggled to get handle on the English game.

Wheras Berbatov has proven to flourish in the Premier League. And he wouldn't clash with our other players. Some people say that he drops too deep, but the key is that the time we most need a target man is when the opposition are on the attack and we need to clear the ball. And those are the times when Berbatov does stay upfront. When we are in the attack is when we move all around and rotate our front men, and Rooney would be expected to make the runs off Berbatov when Berbs has the ball (as would Ronaldo, but he already does so nothing would change there). Rooney would be the big winner when playing off of Berbatov.

That's a bloody good post!
 
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