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Not really. :lol: He's constantly missing sitters, even today. Against Stuttgart he converted from 2 yards out. In the CL he scored a penalty. The other shot he had in that game was alone in front of goal where he shot straight at the keeper, then converted the rebound into the empty net. Leverkusen is just creating so many chances for him. Aside from the Roma and Stuttgart match it really shows though that they don't have a reliable finisher anymore.

Well, that's a bit off isn't it. Everyone knows that good strikers don't need assists...




Hernandez is doing pretty well there.. Getting 10 minutes off the bench clearly didnt help his form.. Now getting a regular run of games is probably helping him,

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Was always going to be the case.

He has scored six in four games, and pundits discussing the last CL game were raving about his all-round game.

Really shortsighted to sell him - and to have under-used him.

Anyone with a brain cell would have put his lack of form down to a total lack of confidence and no chance to get some momentum. He's now shining in what is frequently touted as the hardest league in the world
 
Was always going to be the case.

He has scored six in four games, and pundits discussing the last CL game were raving about his all-round game.

Really shortsighted to sell him - and to have under-used him.

Anyone with a brain cell would have put his lack of form down to a total lack of confidence and no chance to get some momentum. He's now shining in what is frequently touted as the hardest league in the world


Is it? :D

You could say the same about Kagawa, but at the same time getting players out of a mental downward spiral isn't exactly easy and when the pressure is as high as it is for van Gaal or at United in general it's not that easy to simply give these players enough time one the pitch to just play through their crisis.
 
Not really. :lol: He's constantly missing sitters, even today. Against Stuttgart he converted from 2 yards out. In the CL he scored a penalty. The other shot he had in that game was alone in front of goal where he shot straight at the keeper, then converted the rebound into the empty net. Leverkusen is just creating so many chances for him. Aside from the Roma and Stuttgart match it really shows though that they don't have a reliable finisher anymore.

Well, that's a bit off isn't it. Everyone knows that good strikers don't need assists..
Is it? :D

You could say the same about Kagawa, but at the same time getting players out of a mental downward spiral isn't exactly easy and when the pressure is as high as it is for van Gaal or at United in general it's not that easy to simply give these players enough time one the pitch to just play through their crisis.

I can understand it if a player has gone through a bad run - like Rooney is now for instance. Players who have had enough games for lack of form to be a genuine excuse. Players like Hernandez, much like Solskjaer, were dropped regardless of form. Just used intermittently...or under-used frequently...and then criticised for not delivering the goods on the occasions they may have got fifteen minutes as a sub. When Solskjaer started playing regularly again, partnering Ruud, he started banging in the goals again. Hernandez is the same imo - he's a natural goal-scorer, and irrespective of the rest of his game, he would have scored for us, and it's more than likely that he'd have delivered in other areas too, the way he is at Leverkusen.

It's just bizarre how often people dismiss the goal aspect because the rest of a player's game might not be spot on - right now, I'd just like to see some goals and if it meant leaving the fancy stuff to the rest of the team, who cares.

And I don't think Hernandez ever had such an abysmal run as Rooney is on, but he's rarely even subbed let alone dropped/moved on.
 
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These refs man :(

Basically deciding games on their own these days, really takes the fun away you have in the sport.

I cannot remember it ever being this bad!? I feel like things really need to change, goal line technology was a nice step forward but it's hardly ever relevant. Some sort of video assistance is needed.
 
Draw for the next cup round:

Unterhaching - Leverkusen
Aue - Heidenheim
Augsburg - Dortmund
Gladbach - Bremen
Bayern - Darmstadt
1860 - Bochum
Nürnberg - Hertha
Stuttgart - Braunschweig

No derby :(.
 
Draw of the 3rd round in the German Cup:

Unterhaching (4th division team with Mats Hummels' little brother) - Leverkusen
Aue (3rd division) - Heidenheim (2nd division)
Augsburg - Dortmund
Gladbach - Werder
Bayern - Darmstadt
1860 Munich - Bochum
Nürnberg - Hertha
Stuttgart - Braunschweig
 
All four remaining big teams with doable fixtures. None of the games terribly exciting. Oh well, Neverkusen returning to the place of their biggest bottle job could be a nice deja vu.

EDIT: Us playing in Augsburg probably the game with the biggest upset potential amongst the games involving Bundesliga clubs.
 
Mats Hummels determined to play his brother in the quarter final then :D:
 
Damn, no Munich derby. But 1860 could actually get passed Bochum so there is still hope for the next round.
 
Damn, no Munich derby. But 1860 could actually get passed Bochum so there is still hope for the next round.

I wouldn't get my hopes up because Bochum utterly dominated their league game against 1860.
 
I wouldn't get my hopes up because Bochum utterly dominated their league game against 1860.
Every 2nd league club dominates 1860 which makes it even more surprising that they made it to the round of 16 in the cup. I just think there is a higher chance for them to go through compared to other options. Something like away against Leverkusen would've basically been impossible for them to make it.
 
OK Germans, Bundesliga experts, and the like...

When Sky Deutschland have live games on, are they usually the Friday or Sunday games, or do they have live games on a Saturday too?
 
OK Germans, Bundesliga experts, and the like...

When Sky Deutschland have live games on, are they usually the Friday or Sunday games, or do they have live games on a Saturday too?

You can watch all games live on Sky Deutschland.
 
I'm thinking more of when fixtures get shifted to Friday/Sunday games...is that not for telly purposes?

For sure. But the Friday spot is usually with 2 teams that aren't in Europe - the Sunday dates for the teams in the Europa League. 5 matches usually start Saturday at 15:30 - and one is the top match (but often it ain't even the top duel of that day) at 18:30.
 
What do you guys make of Vieirinha at Wolfsburg?

one of their best players (its imo between him, Gustavo, Naldo and Rodriguez). He can play both as full back and as winger. He is naturally a winger, but with great work-rate and fighting spirit. For a winger he lacks some threat in the final 1/3 so I prefer him as full-back. He has no problem to run up and down for 90 minutes. He found his level at Wolfsburg.
 
one of their best players (its imo between him, Gustavo, Naldo and Rodriguez). He can play both as full back and as winger. He is naturally a winger, but with great work-rate and fighting spirit. For a winger he lacks some threat in the final 1/3 so I prefer him as full-back. He has no problem to run up and down for 90 minutes. He found his level at Wolfsburg.
I think he could play as a rightback for top clubs. He's not an elite rightback, but there are few around. He's 29 though, certainly not a longterm solution.
 
fecking Wolfsburg, Leverkusen. It could actually happen that both and Gladbach end up 3rd and will play in the EL after the winterbreak. If Augsburg, Schalke, Dortmund make it through as well, we have 6 teams playing on Thursdays. That would have a significant impact on the Bundesliga. The tv contracts mean that only a few exceptions for 3 instead of 2 Sunday games are allowed, therefore we'd have regularly teams playing Thursday evening and then again Saturday afternoon. They have to fix that, no other league in the world does that to its teams. Thursday - Sunday is already a problem and English fans constantly complain about it, but Thursday night to Saturday afternoon is on a totally different level. It's such a huge risk for injuries. I wouldn't blame the clubs to play complete reserve teams in the EL, it's just not manageable.

I'm not sure if anything can be done. ARD has the contract for highlights of at least 5 Saturday afternoon games, ZDF for the highlights of the Saturday evening game. They won't just let it go, Sky won't agree to shift the Friday and Saturday afternoon games either. It's a fecking nightmare, let's hope Leverkusen and Schalke get their act together and finish 2nd.
 
fecking Wolfsburg, Leverkusen. It could actually happen that both and Gladbach end up 3rd and will play in the EL after the winterbreak. If Augsburg, Schalke, Dortmund make it through as well, we have 6 teams playing on Thursdays. That would have a significant impact on the Bundesliga. The tv contracts mean that only a few exceptions for 3 instead of 2 Sunday games are allowed, therefore we'd have regularly teams playing Thursday evening and then again Saturday afternoon. They have to fix that, no other league in the world does that to its teams. Thursday - Sunday is already a problem and English fans constantly complain about it, but Thursday night to Saturday afternoon is on a totally different level. It's such a huge risk for injuries. I wouldn't blame the clubs to play complete reserve teams in the EL, it's just not manageable.

I'm not sure if anything can be done. ARD has the contract for highlights of at least 5 Saturday afternoon games, ZDF for the highlights of the Saturday evening game. They won't just let it go, Sky won't agree to shift the Friday and Saturday afternoon games either. It's a fecking nightmare, let's hope Leverkusen and Schalke get their act together and finish 2nd.

Yeah that seems like a pretty unreal situation, but if it's really just between ARD/ZDF and Sky I'm sure none of those would like to be known as the guys who fecked a couple of German clubs out of continental football by being greedy, the damage to their PR would probably be a lot higher than a couple more sunday games could ever be. And it probably wouldn't just be left at that. We saw with "KeinZwanni" how suddenly fans all over the country and across clubs unite when they feel like monetary interests push things too far.

But aside from that I'm sure that the DFL isn't lead by idiots. I don't remember this scenario ever happening but it isn't exactly some miracle either, especially this season with two of our best European performers (over the past couple of seasons) starting the season in EL and two newbies in the CL, as well as Leverkusen who always have it in them to casually feck up even the best of scenarios. So I expect that there are some clauses in the TV contracts to deal with situations like this.
 
But aside from that I'm sure that the DFL isn't lead by idiots. I don't remember this scenario ever happening but it isn't exactly some miracle either, especially this season with two of our best European performers (over the past couple of seasons) starting the season in EL and two newbies in the CL, as well as Leverkusen who always have it in them to casually feck up even the best of scenarios. So I expect that there are some clauses in the TV contracts to deal with situations like this.
We had the Thursday - Saturday thing before. I think it was in 12/13 when we had 4 German teams in the EL group stages and it was a constant problem for the Bundesliga matchdays after EL games. For the following season, they agreed on allowing more weekends with 3 games on Sunday. But if 5 or 6 teams end up playing in the EL, we probably need 4 or 5 Sunday games, sometimes maybe even 6. I doubt they planned for that.

If it happens, I hope they'll agree on exceptions and most likely they won't need it too often, because I doubt that all clubs will progress through the first knockout rounds.
 
How will this affect the Wolfsburg vs Bayern game then at the end of February? I'm assuming from reading this thread that It's highly unlikely that it'll be the Friday game with one/both of them still being in Europe, and the last 16 games of the Champioons League being the Tuesday/Wednesday before the weekend game.

Now if (Big IF) Wolfsburg finish 3rd int he group and play Europa League, is it more likely that the game will be on the Sunday?

Trying to narrow this down to see if I can book flights while they are cheap...
 
We had the Thursday - Saturday thing before. I think it was in 12/13 when we had 4 German teams in the EL group stages and it was a constant problem for the Bundesliga matchdays after EL games. For the following season, they agreed on allowing more weekends with 3 games on Sunday. But if 5 or 6 teams end up playing in the EL, we probably need 4 or 5 Sunday games, sometimes maybe even 6. I doubt they planned for that.

If it happens, I hope they'll agree on exceptions and most likely they won't need it too often, because I doubt that all clubs will progress through the first knockout rounds.

Oh yes, you're right. In 12/13 Leverkusen and Gladbach had to play on Saturday after their first match in the ro32 and then Stuttgart and Hannover the following matchday.
I've looked it up. This year Dortmund:Leverkusen would follow the first matchday and Gladbach:Augsburg the second. So with three sunday games they could possibly handle four of the clubs, but that's all theoretical right now anyway.

The way I see it:

Bayern will be playing in CL for sure.
Wolfsburg is 50/50 for me. A win in Moscow could already be enough and I think they can take points off of United at home, but teams often struggle when they have to travel to Russia.
Gladbach is 35/65 for me. They need to beat Sevilla, which will be tough but manageable but even then Sevilla must not win against Juve (because I don't see Gladbach winning in Manchester), who are a bit weak atm imho.
Leverkusen: 20/80 for me. Assuming both beat BATE they have would to beat Barca at home.

Dortmund will advance for sure.
Schalke made things messier than they had to be and I can see them dropping points again tonight, but in the end I'd be very surprised if they don't make it through.
Augsburg is 50/50 to me. They have two home games and their away is "only" against Partisan, if they beat AZ tonigh they have a fairly decent chance.




How will this affect the Wolfsburg vs Bayern game then at the end of February? I'm assuming from reading this thread that It's highly unlikely that it'll be the Friday game with one/both of them still being in Europe, and the last 16 games of the Champioons League being the Tuesday/Wednesday before the weekend game.

Now if (Big IF) Wolfsburg finish 3rd int he group and play Europa League, is it more likely that the game will be on the Sunday?

Trying to narrow this down to see if I can book flights while they are cheap...

EL teams always play on sunday in Germany, unless the scenario Balu described happens and we have 4-6 teams in the EL, but even then this would be a high profile game and giving Bayern a big advantage by denying Wolfsburg the usual time to regenerate would probably cause some sort of outrage, so I'm fairly certain that they will put it on a sunday in any case if Wolfsburg get relegated to the EL, to avoid the drama.
 
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Typical boring Pep:

Neuer

Rafinha
Boateng
Alaba

Kimmich
Vidal

Robben
Coman
Muller
Costa

Lewandowski
 
Holy shit, Stuttgart aren't even trying :lol:

Edit: OK, massive offside.
 
It's great to watch, but what are Stuttgart doing? Seriously? I admire that they're trying to attack, but playing like that against us is completely mental.
 
Bayern are playing some absolutely delightful stuff. Cannot believe that we spent on some absolute dross like Obertan and Bebe while we let go of Costa who was linked to us like a million times. And Robben just shows again how age is making him better. Compare that to what Rooney has been serving up.