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Chelsea 2016/17 - Very Content
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I will try and be more positive then Pogue. For you.
They dont need to spend big. Although if Conte wanted to spend 100m in the last week of window, he could if he wanted i suppose.
Theyre not done spending yet and are at £63m, could easily top 100.
City have spent roughly £100-120m and the only real "quality" signing as of now is Gundogan if he stays fit. (BIG IF) So its not all about throwing big fees around. Sane could be good but i have watched him against our EPL developmental squad players, and get rings run round him, so im reserving judgement.
It seems we are the only team who took FFP even a little seriously. Getting crazy money for Mata, Luiz and Ramires certainly helps when it comes to our recent "net spend" as well.
Saying that, we've still spent a feck load and are not done this window.
Our last transfer window was such a ridiculous mess, that its almost certain we're going to have to spend more to put it right.
All nonsense. We didnt spend anything last season, that is why we has a car crash season.
Also, by all accounts the settlement with carnerio was $3m which is pocket change.
Chelsea has been a moderate spender eversince the summer we signed Hazard.
Apparently over the last 5 years our net spend has been..
2015-2016: £54,300,000 (so far)
2014-2015: £9,100,000
2013-2014: £5,100,000
2012-2013: £49,309,000
2011-2012: £72,000,000
Acccording to this random internet site anyway.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/chelsea/english-football-teams/chelsea-transfers
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/chelsea/english-football-teams/chelsea-transfers
I like those numbers.
2015-2016: £54,300,000 (so far)
2014-2015: £9,100,000
2013-2014: £5,100,000
2012-2013: £49,309,000
2011-2012: £72,000,000
Acccording to this random internet site anyway.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/chelsea/english-football-teams/chelsea-transfers
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/chelsea/english-football-teams/chelsea-transfers
I like those numbers.
I think we would still spend another £100m on top of what has already been spent. That said the likely sales of Oscar and Cuadrado will make it about £50m net.
Apparently over the last 5 years our net spend has been..
2015-2016: £54,300,000 (so far)
2014-2015: £9,100,000
2013-2014: £5,100,000
2012-2013: £49,309,000
2011-2012: £72,000,000
Acccording to this random internet site anyway.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/chelsea/english-football-teams/chelsea-transfers
I like those numbers.
Chelsea have spent well in recent years. Fabregas, Filipe Luiz, Rahman and Costa were great buys on paper. I'm still baffled as to why Luiz wasn't played enough (although Azculapeta was on great form then).
Kante is a smart buy too. I do think you guys will struggle in the back 4 though.
I think a fairly big part of why Luis didn't work was that the role of LB, at the time, required a lot more defensive work to stay put and cover Terry. Luis, whilst he is a decent defender, is definitely a lot more adventurous than Azpilicueta ever was/has been at LB.
I still think Chelsea need at least two defensive signings, and maybe another striker. I don't quite trust Costa to not pick up those niggling injuries, and I don't really know much about Traore to be back-up (assuming you play two upfront?) Or if Hazard is playing as a second-striker as he has done a couple times, who is out on the left- Cuadrado? Not the greatest fan of Pedro.
I still think Chelsea need at least two defensive signings, and maybe another striker. I don't quite trust Costa to not pick up those niggling injuries, and I don't really know much about Traore to be back-up (assuming you play two upfront?) Or if Hazard is playing as a second-striker as he has done a couple times, who is out on the left- Cuadrado? Not the greatest fan of Pedro.
You spent almost 80 million pounds last year!
Well the CB's linked are all around 35-40 odd mill so you could be right. IF they got Lukaku at say 60 thats 100m ish alone
There's time to spend on players yet but I imagine if Roman is about to spend £800m on a new stadium he will be looking after the pennies. The total cost of the stadium, by all accounts, is coming directly out of his pocket.
Wrong. Chelsea were net sellers last season and made about £8m profit from player sales.
Spend was £55m for first team player plus £12m on loan farm players. Total about £67m. Player sales were nearly £75m.
Luis just joined at a time when Ivanovich and Dave just couldn't put a foot wrong. They were a sensational combo that season, and Luis just couldn't get a look in. Considering how wretched Brana was last year it seems like a terrible longer term decision, but I can't critisize because at the time they were sensational.
We're supposedly trying very hard to get in a new CB, and I'd assume another RB is being looked for too. I wouldn't lose a moments sleep if we didn't get another striker though (assuming Costa stays) as Batshuayi and Traore are both incredibly promising talents. If we end up playing 2 up front though it wouldn't surprise me if we got someone new in, as I'm expecting Remy to leave.
AM is fairly easy, as Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Pedro, Cuadrado and Moses can all switch around between the three roles, with the first 3 all excellent in the central role too. They like to switch mid match fairly frequently, so it wouldn't be a radical role change for any of them to sit in any of those positions.
71 is not nearly 80.
The fact they're probably out of the spotlight for once will suit them nicely. All eyes are on Manchester this season meaning Chelsea without their European football can really mount a decent challenge. Conte's a top manager too and Kante is exactly the sort of smart signing they need.
They'll make top 3 IMO.
They'll make top 3 IMO.
Who will be their CB pairing (or threesome) going into the season. Any chance Captain Lionheart will still start?
How have Chelsea been lining up preseason?
How have Chelsea been lining up preseason?
Cahill, Terry and Ivanovich alternating until Zouma is back. Unless of course we finally manage to bring in Koulibaly or another.
3 at the back?
Terry and Cahill. Terry will certainly start most games as captain.
Ivanovic has not played a single minute of pre-season at centre back and Zouma is only just back in full training. Michael Hector playd a few minutes at centre back but will probably go off on loan.
No chance.
Thanks for the info. Has Conte ever regularly deployed a back 4? From my memory it was a back 3 with Italy and Juventus.
Not to mention the uncertainty in Russia and the general economy at the moment. He's probably well aware his portfolio could take a big hit if things go wrong.
I really doubt this part. Think the club will pay a big part of the stadium by itslef.
We have had nearly zero net spend in last two seasons and The revenues have gone through the roof (new PL deal, Yokohama deal and possibly the new Nike deal). Not to mention the nearly £200m worth of players out on loan.
The financial management of the club is insanely good by all measures.
The new stadium will be renamed I assume and someone is going to pay silly money to get the rights.
They're raking it in now.
They're raking it in now.
Probably, although there's a very complicated situation with the CPO that has to be resolved before anything can be done. It's not widely known, but the club doesn't actually own the name of the club, the CPO does, along with the freehold on the ground itself. If the CPO made the stadium naming rights a sticking point, then things could get difficult. no idea what their thoughts are on it though.
Their new stadium is donkey's years away .... they're still a very, very long way from even getting planning permission.
There is now no problem with the CPO. The problem are now past as the club has made an apology to the CPO shareholders for their underhand tactics to get the freehold earlier.
Club owns the name Chelsea FC as long as they play the home games at the Bridge. CPO only holds the freehold to the land.
I highly doubt there will be a problem with the naming rights. Back in the day Emirated did nearly become the stadium sponsor before Samsung Mobile came in with way more money.
They've turned to hoovering up hordes of young talent and selling them on at a profit to make themselves somewhat financially sustainable in the market. It's totally horrific and devoid of any morals whatsoever as it also ruins a ton of young talent, but it is effective, which makes it just about the most Chelsea thing ever.
I know they sorted out their previous issues, but they haven't signed off on the new stadium yet have they? I'm assuming the club will try again to get the freehold.
I'm fairly sure that the club only uses the name on the condition of playing home games at the Bridge, it doesn't own the name.
Seems you are right in that CPO owns the name "Chelsea Football Club Ltd." which is also leased to Chelsea FC on the condition that the home games be played at Stamford Bridge.
A sighoff from CPO is not needed as long as the club stays at Stamford Bridge. So its a non issue as I said earlier. Its further confirmed by the fact that the club has already submitted documents for planning permission which wouldnt have been the case if they needed CPO permission.
Also, most fans at the feedback meetings (mostly CPO shareholders) were more than happy with what was going on regarding the stadium re-development.
Strange, I'd have assumed the freehold owners would have to have signed off on any major development of the property. Could be wrong though.
Even last time around, the vote was something like 61% in favour, it just didn't hit the 75% needed.
Wasnt that for surrender of shares and handing the freehold over to Fordstam?
Thank feck that did not happen despite all the covert tactics by Abrahmovic.
Yeah the way they went about it sucked, but I can kind of understand his desire to have full control given how much money he's poured into the club, and the incredible lengths he's gone to to ensure the club is self sustaining and a genuine business. We really couldn't have asked for a better owner in terms of what he's done for us.
I don't think Chelsea will go 3 at the back either, just because Conte's used that in the past doesn't mean he will now, Italian football traditional has always been a hub for the 3-5-2 and Juve and the national team had the players to do it, Chelsea don't.
Good managers build a system around the players they when they arrive at clubs, not make massive wholesale changes that could affect cohesion or try and force a system on players who aren't capable like Van Gaal did at United. Conte's a good manager, so I think he'll do just that and keep things largely how they are.
Good managers build a system around the players they when they arrive at clubs, not make massive wholesale changes that could affect cohesion or try and force a system on players who aren't capable like Van Gaal did at United. Conte's a good manager, so I think he'll do just that and keep things largely how they are.
I agree he has been quite benign but I just dont want him selling of Stamford Bridge land to the developers and moving us to some soulless soupbowl like arsenal have done. I dont want to have the though of someone flushing their wc on top of Osgood's ashes.
And to be fair, he has still made a profit on owning Chelsea. I would say the the club is worth atleast £1.5bn right now. So far he has put in about £960bn of his own money for everything including buying club from Bates, paying off old debts, developing Cobham and the new players over the last 13 years. Fair investment I would think.
I think they will go for a 'normal' approach too, 4 at the back. I watched two of their games in pre season, they are a good side, nothing like last year. I have to say that i am not looking forward to play against them, Conte is a very good manager, will be difficult games. Seeing Kante play for them makes me sick, he is a fantastic signing. My hope lie on Cahill and Terry to feck it up, but i guess they will go for Koulibaly, who i also like from the few games i have seen. I think they will be up there fighting for the top spots at the end of the season.
Since transfers are amortised on the books over player contracts and include wages that is hardly relevant.
Forbes value us at £1,118m. I'm sure the new stadium will raise that a chunk, but he's also putting his hand in his pocket for the £500m for that too. I hope it does result in a gain for him though, it means its a win win for all of us.