Also scored all four goals for Portugal in two legs against Sweden to reach the World Cup.
Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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Also scored all four goals for Portugal in two legs against Sweden to reach the World Cup.
It's only 6 seasons and a few weeks as well. It's an incredible record regardless of how 'easy' his goals are.
Ridiculous opinion to hold with his record over the past few seasons to be honest.
I don't understand what you mean. His records doesn't mean he can win matches on his own. In fact, last season he scored 61 goals, from which 60 were with just one touch to the ball.
He needs his teammates more than people like Pele, Maradona, Messi, Ronaldo or so needed to make the difference.
First i doubt that's true but even if it was, so what? You can't be decisive because of that? You talk as if his positional sense, intelligent movement and goal instinct are inferior assets compared to dribbling or other technical attributes. Isn't scoring goals the objective of the game? You forgot to talk about the weather, the good weather in Madrid also benefits him against other competitors.
This is a video of his first season at Madrid.
He was great to watch in it and scored lots of excellent and exciting goals (both from long range and goals that came from dribbles). Once Mourinho came to the club (the 10/11 season) it was all about efficiency and Ronaldo reduced the amount he took on players, perhaps in a bid to lessen the strain on his body so that he was able to play more matches throughout the season (when Mourinho came to the club the number of matches Madrid played in a season increased greatly due to Madrid going much further in both the CL and the Copa) as well as Madrid playing very fast, counter-attacking football under Mourinho and he probably wanted players to release the ball quickly rather than attempt to take on other players so as to not slow down the counter-attacks.
He still dribbles occasionally. Last season from what I can remember, his goal vs Levante
There is also his goal vs Galatasaray in the 13/14 season
Another goal from 13/14
He wasn't always as reliant on service as he is now. As he gets older these goals and individual actions are happening less and less (he also doesn't score as much goals from long range as he used to) but there is no denying that at his peak he was a great individual player that could decide matches by himself and he still can from time to time.
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I've never mentioned the other facts. But to win a match on your own IMO is to get the ball at some point of the field or the area and say "I'll finish the game now". IT doesn't have to be a goal, it can be an incredible play to open the defense, or an incredible pass. That's what Messi does. That's what Maradona or Zidane could do, or Ronaldo Nazario. I've never said he is not decisive, I said he can't win matches on his own (with this I mean it's not a characteristic of his game, so don't come with a couple nice goals). Of course having someone like him helps. You need to think what I'm saying. I'm not saying he is not one of the greatest players to ever play because that would be ridiculous. But for me, he's not even top 7.
Give me the United or the first season at Madrid Rolando everyday. That guy could win a match on his own. Goals is the ultimate thing in this sport, he scored like 323 in 6 years and has one League and one UCL trophy.
By the way, that Levante goal is the one goal with more than one touch to the ball. Or one dribble, I don't remember the stat right now.
He kind of did that against Atletico in the CL quarters, didn't he?
Nope you are wrong. He had other goals where he had more than one touch to the ball. Against Rayo Vallecano for example in that goalkeeper blunder goal. And i'm not even debating the merit of this one touch rubbish, i mean his goal against Liverpool was a one touch goal but what about the build up? Wasn't it a great goal? It was picked for the best goal in the champions league contest. What about his quality technically wise headers? Aren't those great goals as well? Does this one touch issue denies his merit on those?
I'm not going to get in a Messi vs Ronaldo debate, not only this isn't the appropriate thread but also it's a debate i'm not interested in having since i like both players and it doesn't have any importance to me. Regarding your tastes, i'm not going to try and change those, you are entitled to your opinion, i just don't agree with it. Ronaldo has had an amazing career at United, Real Madrid and Portugal. He has decided plenty of games by himself. He is/was the main driving force on those teams whether you like fancy dribbles or not. His scoring record, assist record, individual and collective awards speaks for it self. Just the fact that he can be compared with Messi is testament to his quality. If he belongs in top 5, 10 or 20 is highly subjective and a matter of opinions.
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I'm not sure what you mean. He decided the tie with his 1-2 combination with James and assisted Chicharito's goal. Raul Madrid mentioned a lot of other moments in one of his posts above.
I just don't see football the way you do. You praise Cristiano on the Liverpool goal, and I praise James for the pass in that goal. You talk as if I underrate cristiano or something, but it's not true. For me he might be one of the best 7 players to ever live. But between the first five and the rest there is a gap, that's how I see it. For me, the five best players to ever live have the ability to get the ball and score the goal even if they are in their own field. That for me is to win a match on your own. For me Cristiano can't be compared to Messi. There's a big gap between Cristiano and Mesi, and then there's a big gap between Cristiano and the rest.
Then there are other aspects which of course are important and you can't be blind about it. His goal scoring is just ridiculous. I just mentioned something that for me was wrong: He can't win a match on his own. And no one's gonna kill him for that, he's no less incredible or something.
That's pretty obvious. I praise both because of the work they did on the build up and goal. Both have merits on that play. Of course you underrate Ronaldo, out of your subjective opinion, where you value certain things in football and downplay/neglect other aspects who might be important for other people's opinion. There's nothing wrong with that, people have their own preferences. The rest of your post is just a subjective opinion. Of course he can be compared with Messi individually and statistic wise. Everyone has been doing so for the past 5 to 6 years. And the opinion you have about him not being able to win a match on his own, is just that, an opinion and not a fact. He has done that plenty of times and me as portuguese can atest to that.
I mean, Cristiano is a guy who can make incredible plays or passes from time to time. In fact, I believe he's got everything to do it. But it's just not something you expect from him. You expect him to appear out of nowhere and push it, or make the header, or an incredible strong shoot. Combining or assisting are not his best qualities. It just happens that Cristiano is all about quantity. For mt it's not the same assistence when you are 2-1 against the keeper and pass it, than when you make an incredible curly pass like Messi did to Rakitic against City.
And that's all, as I'm at work and I might get fired because of Cristiano.
The season Real won La Liga he had several amazing performances where he dragged Real kicking and screaming. His away performance at Atletico was astounding, and it particularly sticks in the head for some weird reason.
Same here. He was excellent that game and MOTM. Madrid's 12 point lead over Barcelona had been cut to 4 and the Barcelona away game was coming up and Madrid were expected to lose that. Atletico had improved under Simeone (they went on to win the Europa League that season) and Madrid were very nervous at the start of the game. They knew if they didn't win then they would only be one point clear of Barcelona with the game against them coming up. Ronaldo scored a great free-kick and then Madrid grew in confidence and relaxed. They didn't lose their composure when Falcao got an equaliser and Ronaldo went on to score another incredible goal from range. Ronaldo then put away a penalty (everyone's favourite type of Ronaldo goal) and then set up Callejón who made it 4-1.
Here are the highlights of the game. Ronaldo's free-kick and long-range goal are excellent and worth watching.
Right, firstly we were talking about the Champions League, not that he has much to shout about in La Liga, you mentioned a handful of Copa Del Ray games and league games in a 7 year career in La Liga, not really that impressive when you look at the bigger picture.
Not sure why you are mentioning assists, i was referring to goals.
Anyway back to the point, Madrid have been consistently getting into the latter stages of the CL there are only a few occasions which you have mentioned that he has scored some important goals but for the amount of games he's played in the latter stages the actual numbers are not outstanding compared to the inferior opposition in the group stages. Reason for my original comment is that Ronaldo is a flat track bully in the group stages of the CL he has a fantastic record no doubt, but he's not known to continue that form into the latter stages. I checked and it's 11 goals in 17 games (semis and finals, on top of that he was pretty poor in those finals), this record, although good is nothing compared to the way he fills his boots against weaker opposition.
People want to compare him to Messi, but he simply hasn't performed to the level Messi has in semis and finals of the CL or really stood out in his overall play.
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"People want to compare him to Messi, but simply hasn't performed to the level Messi has in semis and finals for the CL and really stood out in his overall play."
Barcelona was/is a better team than Real. RM just a group with good/world class players managed by Florentino and helped by his assistant Benitez. I'm actually amazed they won a champions League and a La Liga this past years.
Barcelona was/is a better team than Real. RM just a group with good/world class players managed by Florentino and helped by his assistant Benitez. I'm actually amazed they won a champions League and a La Liga this past years.
Here are his goalscoring stats vs top teams in La Liga since he joined Madrid.
Cristiano (RM career),
21 goals v Sevilla (in 13 apps) -- 1.62 gpg
15 goals v Atlético (in 22 apps) -- 0.68 gpg
15 goals v Barça (in 23 apps) -- 0.65 gpg
14 goals v Athletic (in 12 apps) -- 1.17 gpg
14 goals v Málaga (in 14 apps) -- 1.00 gpg
9 goals v Valencia (in 13 apps) -- 0.69 gpg
Stats courtesy of @Skorenzy
Those are very impressive statistics. Some of those gpg's are even better than Messi's (who is the best in the world IMO so that is a great achievement). He certainly has "much to shout about" and those stats are impressive even "when you look at the big picture" like you say. They are impressive by any standards.
For Madrid, he has 9 goals in 12 last 16 matches, 8 in 10 QF matches and 7 in 10 SF matches. Those are very impressive numbers and there will not be many players, if any (probably Messi will be the only one), that will have better numbers than that. Those number are "outstanding compared to the inferior opposition in the group stages" like you say. They are outstanding by any standards. Obviously he will score more vs weaker teams in the group stages. That is the case with pretty much every player so it is a strange point to bring up.
His numbers are still excellent in the latter stages like I just showed in my paragraph above (Messi is probably the only player that would have better numbers). Like I said, of course he wont score as much against bigger teams as he does against the weaker ones. That is how it is with pretty much every player. Against smaller teams there will be more chances and your team will dominate more, against bigger teams there will be less chances and you will not dominate as much. That is how it is for pretty much every team.
I agree that he is not as good as Messi and I have never said he is. Since we are on the topic of Messi though, I should add that he has struggled in plenty of semi-finals too. The games vs Chelsea in 2009, Inter 2010, Chelsea 2012, Bayern 2013 (he was injured in that match so normally I wouldn't include it but since the final vs Atletico is being included for Ronaldo which is a game he played through injury in, it is only fair to use it) and the games vs Atletico in 2014 (although they were QF). Even Messi, who is the best in the world and one of the very best every struggles in the latter stages of the CL. Of course Ronaldo, who is also one of the best ever, but not quite in that same echelon as Messi (IMO) is going to struggle too. But overall, he been a massive success in the CL and is one the best players in the competition ever.
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Shakhtar are a CL minnow? They really aren't at all. They were however playing with 10 men for about an hour.
He used to score alot of great fancy goals too. Remember all the long range shots, stunning freekicks and all these dribbling and tricks around edge of box follow by goals especially during counter attack.. I think at some point of his career, he just decide to go for pure goal numbers and consistency, and cut all the bull crap or whatever which may be viewed by him as time and energy wasting or may lead to more potential injuries etc and whether to score 50 tap-ins (help by his teammates) or 20 great goals (on his own) a season, he chooses the former (yeh I exaggerated abit here)
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Complaining about being handed goals on a plate, honestly?
Rooney has been put into goal scoring positions on several occasions in the PL this season but didn't convert any of them. I don't think anyone would be complaining if he had.
Rooney has been put into goal scoring positions on several occasions in the PL this season but didn't convert any of them. I don't think anyone would be complaining if he had.
This is a joke right, if one player today made things on their own...it'd be Ronny.
To put Messi in there really stumps your point, the whole thing with him during Pep's Barca days was that the team was built to assist Messi to the max. Granted a lot of his goals are self made by his runs/movement but he is not a George Best type that literally created everything himself. I'm pretty sure there was a stat floating around that showed the % difference between the goals Messi and Ronny had that were assisted and self made. Ronny did a considerable amount off his own back.
Cristiano Ronaldo has scored 1 fewer goal in his last 180 minutes than Wayne Rooney has in 2015.
Terrible dive in an attempt to win yet another cheap penalty.
30 minutes and no goal so far. Drought!
Feed Benitez and sell Ronaldo!
No goals today. With the record looming, it looks like Rooneyitus has spread to Madrid.
Wow... 60 One touch goals...
The only minus ronnies has is he's not named messi
The only minus ronnies has is he's not named messi
Hell score 5 at the next match!
Blowing hot and cold. Poor player.
That's not just any Syrian refugee. That's the lad who was being carried by his dad when that cnut camerawoman tripped them up.
She's now unemployed and he gets to touch Ronaldo
Big games aren't what they used to be. Fact is the big games used to be a great measuring stick cause these games were tight and close as the teams weren't all that far in quality. Right now, Madrid, Barca, Bayern are far ahead. When another team enters the contest of elite european club teams they get dismantled rather quickly.
Ronaldo's way of getting it done(tap ins, one on ones and taking ridiculous number of ridiculous shots) is one of the reasons he's done nothing of note in his international career. Top 5 player all time? I'd say he's not top 5 in the past 25 years even.
Ronaldo's way of getting it done(tap ins, one on ones and taking ridiculous number of ridiculous shots) is one of the reasons he's done nothing of note in his international career. Top 5 player all time? I'd say he's not top 5 in the past 25 years even.
Future Ballon d'Or winner.
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