David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

Sunderland must be a mess behind the scenes in all fairness.

For one thing they hired David Moyes (red flag). The cheeky cnut then called them relegation candidates when a ball had been barely kicked (I'd be thinking of sacking him already). Then they allowed him to stay until they were relegated instead of giving a relegation specialist a chance to save the season (come on feck sake Sunderland, you've been here before) and now apparently they're going to sack him (so he wasn't even who they wanted to take a crack at the Championship).

Bizarre decisions.
 
So, if he does leave "by mutual consent", where next for Moyes? I doubt a PL club would take him after the last 4 years (particularly the last 12 months) and the Celtic job is taken. Scottish national team once Strachan gets the boot? He can have a field day playing down expectations in that job. One of football's new frontiers like China (the "Hoisin One")? Or early retirement (punditry presumably off limits due to charisma vacuum)?
 
poleglass red said:
30 million quid is peanuts in the PL, Newcastle spent more in the championship. The other problem Moyes had were his signings. 13.6 for Ndong, 8 for Djilobodji, 7.5 to sign Gibson and Oviedo together. 5.5 to sign McNair and Love togther. None of them can be labelled a success. Plus the likes of Jnuzaj and Lescott who came on frees were poor also. I think the board at Sunderland hasn't helped Moyes, but when you have limited funds you need to spend better.
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It was closer to £35m and it's not peanuts in the context of Sunderland, it's the most they have ever given a manager to spend. More than the last few managers who kept them in the league spent.

If Moyes wasted it on shite thats on him not Sunderland, he was backed financially spending more than other teams at the bottom of the league and yet couldn't even manage to get Sunderland to put up a fight. They will go down as one of the worst teams in recent Premier League history.
 
MoskvaRed said:
So, if he does leave "by mutual consent", where next for Moyes? I doubt a PL club would take him after the last 4 years (particularly the last 12 months) and the Celtic job is taken. Scottish national team once Strachan gets the boot? He can have a field day playing down expectations in that job. One of football's new frontiers like China (the "Hoisin One")? Or early retirement (punditry presumably off limits due to charisma vacuum)?
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God he would do.

"It's a bad result yes and that's the reality we have to face up to I'm afraid. Just got to keep working hard and get to that level the Faroe Islands showed us today."
 
poleglass red said:
3 of the teams you list Hull, Boro and Swansea are fighting for survival right down to the wire. In fact 2 of them will most probably be relegated. So your examples actually reinforce my point. You want to stay in the pl you need to back your manager. Yes he has to manage and coach what he has, but Sunderland were coming of a bad season. Newcastle spent 45 million in the championship, they will spend more again this summer. I agree Moyes is too negative but 30-35 million to improve a bad team isn't enough. The 3 teams you list, all 3 of them threw one last throw of the dice and brought a new manager in, in 2017. Sunderland board didn't, whose to say a modern manager like Silva or Clement couldn't have turned things around- we don't know but surely worth a try when you consider the money generated by being in pl.
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Exactly, they are fighting. They all have a shot because they will have been managed correctly despite limitations.
1 or 2 will go down, sure, but thats because they were managed as best as possible but just not good enough overall.
Sunderland however were not managed properly, were not good enough and didnt even give it a shot to take it down to the wire. If anything, that makes Moyes look even worse. Moyes basically said they were shite and shifted blame to everybody else but himself by getting all his excuses out.

Sunderland were on a high of the season before when they had Big Sam (in a similar way to how Leicester the season before were on a high after surviving). But look how each team took the next season. Ranieri when he came in didnt change much but add a few players and kept it going. (he spent less than 30m iirc)
 
BigBebe said:
It is twice as much as Real Sociedad spent and just over four times what Celta Viga spent. Transfer values are much lower in La Liga and you would have thought that having spent a year in Spain, Moyes would have been aware of some decent players playing in there that he could have got for a reasonable price.

Instead, he did what he did, he bought who he bought and I hope, gets what he deserves.
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The fact he ended up signing a bunch of his ex players at Everton a couple from United sums up how narrow minded he is.
 
Lay said:
How bad is Sunderlands team in comparison to Hull, Swansea and Boro? I never thought Sunderland had much quality at all but Hull sold two of their best players and least are putting up a fight.
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A key difference being that Marco Silva can identify and sign people who aren't just past it players who did a job for him five of six years ago.

Hull were actually 2 points behind Sunderland when Silva took over. They're currently 13 points ahead.
 
Don't see him having the fight to bring Sunderland back up, he took on a tough job but he seemed to believe that meant he couldn't aim to do anything other than be relegated and he has spent whole season thinking about himself. All that saved him from the sack was that Sunderland couldn't afford it, I am sure they will be delighted to see him walk away and avoid the inevitable pay off.

Not sure how he can succeed unless he is allowed to write off a season, he is so out of touch and cautious in the transfer market as well that surely no Premier League team will go anywhere near him now.
 
Only noticed the title now. "Slapped with an FA charge"

Who ever does thread titles on the Caf deserves a trophy
 
togg said:
It's amazing how Moyes has dug very deeply into the psyche of United fans. He really really left an impression didn't he......
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It was the stark contrast between him and Fergie. While most people would have expected a drop off of sorts, no one expected us to plummet the way we did under him in every aspect possible. It was literally two ends of the spectrum.
 
Vialli_92 said:
Only noticed the title now. "Slapped with an FA charge"

Who ever does thread titles on the Caf deserves a trophy
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I just noticed the thread title reads like a flowchart of unfortunate events. First you're David Moyes, then you become Sunderland manager, then you get a charge from the FA, then you get relegated :lol:
 
togg said:
It's amazing how Moyes has dug very deeply into the psyche of United fans. He really really left an impression didn't he......
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It's the result of mainstream media (and a good deal of social media) portraying him as something very different to the inpression many of us had formed over the years. Now, finally in 2017, there is finally a convergence of views.
 
togg said:
It's amazing how Moyes has dug very deeply into the psyche of United fans. He really really left an impression didn't he......
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Were all quite sad the chosen one wasn't given enough time and if Bale/Fabregas/Ronaldo hadn't rejected Utd, Moyes would have won the quintuple in his debut season. It's not his fault
 
Sylar said:
Exactly, they are fighting. They all have a shot because they will have been managed correctly despite limitations.
1 or 2 will go down, sure, but thats because they were managed as best as possible but just not good enough overall.
Sunderland however were not managed properly, were not good enough and didnt even give it a shot to take it down to the wire. If anything, that makes Moyes look even worse. Moyes basically said they were shite and shifted blame to everybody else but himself by getting all his excuses out.

Sunderland were on a high of the season before when they had Big Sam (in a similar way to how Leicester the season before were on a high after surviving). But look how each team took the next season. Ranieri when he came in didnt change much but add a few players and kept it going. (he spent less than 30m iirc)
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they are well managed, not so sure about that. Swansea are on their 3rd manager of the season. Hull started the season without a manager and are now on their 2nd, technically 3rd if you included steve Bruce. Boro sacked their manager in March. You can argue they made the change and I would agree and commend them for that, as their previous managers weren't getting the results. Where my issue with Sunderland board is, come Jan, you either give Moyes money, and i mean proper money to get them out of their mess. Or you say he's not a good manager, you sack him, bring in someone else and possibly stay in the pl. They did neither. Moyes did a crap job, no doubt, but the chaps in the boardroom need to take their share as well.
 
He will jump ship to the nearest Premier league club before not too long.

It won't matter their position or condition, he will take the job anyway without thought.

How else can you explain Real Sociedad and Sunderland.
 
Minimalist said:
Sunderland must be a mess behind the scenes in all fairness.

For one thing they hired David Moyes (red flag). The cheeky cnut then called them relegation candidates when a ball had been barely kicked (I'd be thinking of sacking him already). Then they allowed him to stay until they were relegated instead of giving a relegation specialist a chance to save the season (come on feck sake Sunderland, you've been here before) and now apparently they're going to sack him (so he wasn't even who they wanted to take a crack at the Championship).

Bizarre decisions.
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On a similar note, in one of 'The Secret Footballer's books he talks about Sunderland and suggests their squad has(or had) a reputation in the north of England as being an unruly bunch off the pitch - ie - lots of nightclubs, poor discipline and lifestyle choices, almost like a law unto themselves.
 
poleglass red said:
they are well managed, not so sure about that. Swansea are on their 3rd manager of the season. Hull started the season without a manager and are now on their 2nd, technically 3rd if you included steve Bruce. Boro sacked their manager in March. You can argue they made the change and I would agree and commend them for that, as their previous managers weren't getting the results. Where my issue with Sunderland board is, come Jan, you either give Moyes money, and i mean proper money to get them out of their mess. Or you say he's not a good manager, you sack him, bring in someone else and possibly stay in the pl. They did neither. Moyes did a crap job, no doubt, but the chaps in the boardroom need to take their share as well.
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Not the club itself, im talking about the managers in charge.
None of them who are currently in charge had defeatist attitudes despite the position they came in at.
Silva is a huge example given his squad was probably worse than Sunderlands and they were worse off at the time and yet he believed he could save them.

Theres obviously chaos in the boardroom but the money Moyes was given could have easily been spent much better. Allardyce imo keeps them up. In fact, a lot of the managers at the bottom, start them in the same position as Moyes with the same money and they probably keep Sunderland up.
The money they spent wasnt a lot, but it still should have been enough to keep them up if it was spent wisely but a better manager.
 
shamans said:
They need to stick with him and they will come back stronger. I still firmly believe Moyes is a very good manager for lesser teams with survivalist mindsets.
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I'd like them to stick with him as well. fore entirely different reasons, awful shit on a stick football, and manager, Sunderland level.
 
Devil81 said:
He will jump ship to the nearest Premier league club before not too long.
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Nah, games up for him now, he's finished working on the last of his goodwill. He'll have to bring a club back into the EPL to manager in there again.
 
Moyes has been in decline as a manager since he took the job at OT. I think his confidence is shot. He has looked defeated all season. His once chance to redeem himself is to stay at Sunderland and get them promoted. Show a bit of backbone in the face of adversity. Don't go running for the hills because of the heat in the kitchen. I think Sunderland, having not sacked him by now, accept that their relegation goes beyond the abilities or otherwise of the manager.
Despite the catastrophe of his time at OT Moyes is a solid manager. If he walks away from Sunderland he might as well become a pundit for life.
 
Punditry makes sense for Moyes. After all, he's one of the best in the world at working with people who are bad at their job and somehow making them even worse.
 
Chorley1974 said:
I'd like them to stick with him as well. fore entirely different reasons, awful shit on a stick football, and manager, Sunderland level.
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Consecutive relegations, please. I don't think I'm being greedy or asking for much.
 
togg said:
It's amazing how Moyes has dug very deeply into the psyche of United fans. He really really left an impression didn't he......
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I will forever maintain he willfully destroyed the club. Nobody can be that bad. Fergie even told him to just let Phelan and Rene do everything to begin with and he fecked things up day 1. Should've sacked him day 1 after he didn't do what Fergie told him.
 
red_devil83 said:
I will forever maintain he willfully destroyed the club. Nobody can be that bad. Fergie even told him to just let Phelan and Rene do everything to begin with and he fecked things up day 1. Should've sacked him day 1 after he didn't do what Fergie told him.
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It was the only way he could get Everton to win against us.
 
El cagrejo said:
A key difference being that Marco Silva can identify and sign people who aren't just past it players who did a job for him five of six years ago.

Hull were actually 2 points behind Sunderland when Silva took over. They're currently 13 points ahead.
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They also lost arguably their two best players in the January transfer window - Snodgrass and Livermore.
That "excuse" would have been a manna from heaven for Moyes, but Silva just got on with it and improved results dramatically.
 
I desperately want to know what happens to him after he's sacked. This has got to be one of the quickest falls of a manager in recent history no? He went from improving Everton to a EPL "force" and getting the United job after SAF to falling on his ass in Spain and relegating Sunderland.
 
Really hope he doesn't basically take Hull down with him at the weekend.
 
I shouldn't but feel sorry for him in a way. In hindsight, he should have never left Everton for us but who wouldn't? At Everton, he was the man like how SAF was to us. He left a decade of his work with such a stable and respected career for 8 months of mockery and failure which led to his downhill career ever since. I guess in a way, SAF "ruined" his career. Maybe he is actually a good manager but his time with us has caused him to be so mentally drained that he lost all his confidence. If I were him, I'd take a sabbatical for a year and start all over again at a championship club. He is only 54 so he is still very young.
 
MullerUtd said:
I shouldn't but feel sorry for him in a way. In hindsight, he should have never left Everton for us but who wouldn't? At Everton, he was the man like how SAF was to us. He left a decade of his work with such a stable and respected career for 8 months of mockery and failure which led to his downhill career ever since. I guess in a way, SAF "ruined" his career. Maybe he is actually a good manager but his time with us has caused him to be so mentally drained that he lost all his confidence. If I were him, I'd take a sabbatical for a year and start all over again at a championship club. He is only 54 so he is still very young.
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The problem, I feel, has been his mouth. He really has come out with some of the most self destructive, moronic statements anyone in football can make since he was sacked by United. These comments have fuelled dislike and ridicule turning him into a bit of a laughing stock.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/05/04/david-moyes-wants-entirely-new-team-stay-sunderland/

David Moyes wants an entirely new team if he is to stay at Sunderland

Moyes has already held preliminary discussions with the club’s owner and chief executive Martin Bain following relegation this week and has made it clear that, as things stand, the squad is ill-equipped for life in the second tier.
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:lol:

And so it begins, less than a week after relegation Dave's already laying the groundwork for next seasons excuses. Expectations must be lowered early in case any Sunderland fans build up hope that they might come back up straight away.

Also these comments should really endear the Sunderland players to him even more, spent all this season saying they're not good enough for the Premier League now he's saying they're not good enough for the Championship.

Never change Moysey never change
 
MullerUtd said:
I shouldn't but feel sorry for him in a way. In hindsight, he should have never left Everton for us but who wouldn't? At Everton, he was the man like how SAF was to us. He left a decade of his work with such a stable and respected career for 8 months of mockery and failure which led to his downhill career ever since. I guess in a way, SAF "ruined" his career. Maybe he is actually a good manager but his time with us has caused him to be so mentally drained that he lost all his confidence. If I were him, I'd take a sabbatical for a year and start all over again at a championship club. He is only 54 so he is still very young.
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Moyes career at Everton had stalled. Everton weren't improving and he simply wasn't receiving any opportunities to join bigger clubs. He had to take his chance with us. Else he would ended up a poor man's Wenger whose thrilled because his little club had satisfied expectations again.
 
stevoc said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/05/04/david-moyes-wants-entirely-new-team-stay-sunderland/

David Moyes wants an entirely new team if he is to stay at Sunderland



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And so it begins, less than a week after relegation Dave's already laying the groundwork for next seasons excuses. Expectations must be lowered early in case any Sunderland fans build up hope that they might come back up straight away.

Also these comments should really endear the Sunderland players to him even more, spent all this season saying they're not good enough for the Premier League now he's saying they're not good enough for the Championship.

Never change Moysey never change
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:lol: What a clown!
 
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