Is that a serious question?
Besides, if Atletico lose Simeone they soon will be back to being mediocre and probably won't feature in CL soon.
De Gea Contract Situation
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Besides, if Atletico lose Simeone they soon will be back to being mediocre and probably won't feature in CL soon.
I don't disagree about Real Madrid's status. If that is the reason, I wish we would hear that from him. My point in mentioning Athletico is that this is not about going back home, as many are saying.
I think this was a long con by him & Mendes, the plan all along was to end up as Spain's #1 and play at Real Madrid and we are just a stopover.
But he is going to Real for less money. The con angle does not seem right.
Maybe to do with the fact Madrid is a warmer climate. If Manchester was a hot city etc, these type of players would enjoy it more
He's getting to go back home and play for just as big a club, that's the key. It being his home is obviously a major factor.
By all accounts he likes Manchester fine, it's his missus and the fact that Madrid is his actual home.
This exactly. I thought it was obvious to everyone by now? I know it's hard to take for some but we have to face the fact that De Gea has been a sneaky so and so. Again no problem with him wanting to play for that cnut of a club, but him jerking United around does not sit well with me.
He wasn't dating Edurne when he signed for us though did he? It doesn't have to be true, he could've been Spain their number one whilst at Manchester United. He might see things differently now he has a girl back at home who wants to settle. It's perfectly reasonable to think he would've stayed if he had a girlfriend in Manchester, the rumours said we offered him better wages. Unless he comes out with a statement I'm not judging him.
He did, they started dating before he moved to us.
We should setup a swap deal with Atletico Madrid for Oblak. We get a good keeper, David goes back to Madrid and we screw Real. Win-win-win.
I don't think he ever intended to extend his contract with MUFC. We incubated him for Real Madrid, and provided the escape route from Ahtletico to the "big time".
Just make him honor his contract, and let him go free next season. it's only 20M, it's peanuts, and we need stability to maintain the momentum.
One year without Casilas would make them off balance, try that for a change.
One year without Casilas would make them off balance, try that for a change.
So you think if he had started dating someone from Cardiff who couldn't settle in Manchester he would have gone to Cardiff?
This is all a story to paint h in a better light. I don't think Mendes is driving this either or he would have had him sign that new contract so he could have 2 pay days.
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Long con makes it sound so bad. There's nothing wrong with him having a career plan and carrying it out. If he hadn't been so damn good, it wouldn't have worked anyway (and this is presuming you're right, and I doubt that's the case), and we've profited from his talent.
People are being so childish about all this.
Surprise, surprise.
Manchester United set to reject Real Madrid's initial bid of £13m for David de Gea
Manchester United set to reject Real Madrid's initial bid of £13m for David de Gea
Here we go... we'll probably settle for fecking £18m.
Woody should just email back a picture of himself giving them the finger.
£13m is such an insult 
Keep him till the end
Don't go David. If they only value you at £13m, they clearly have you pigeonholed as Iker's new bitch.
Clowns.
What a bid! At this point, it looks like our best option is to keep him until the end of the contract, no point of selling him for peanuts and become Madrid's whore.
At this point, it looks like our best option is to keep him until the end of the contract, no point of selling him for peanuts and become Madrid's whore.With just a year remaining, we don't have the best cards on our hand. But he is class, and we shouldn't sell him for less than 25 mio pounds. 13 mio - insult.
I don't have a problem if he never intended to sign a new contract and the plan all along was to go back to Madrid. He was one of the primary reasons we aer no in CL and he's given everything, trained hard, improved etc. No probs from me if he goes at this point.
With that said, it would have to be a sensible offer. £25-£30m. Otherwise he can stay with us for another year. Real desperately need a new keeper, for once we are in the box seat - I hope we play hardball.
With that said, it would have to be a sensible offer. £25-£30m. Otherwise he can stay with us for another year. Real desperately need a new keeper, for once we are in the box seat - I hope we play hardball.
£13m is a bit of a joke. I've been saying all Summer that we cannot expect £30m+ with his contract running down but £13m is a piss take, anything below £20m should be treated as a joke really.
£30m is reasonable when in reality it should be closer to double that. Arsenal got £24m for RvP.
£30m is a bit much for a year of his service. In 12 months he's going to be a Real Madrid player whether we like it or not, the fee they will agree now will be for a year of his service. This makes it different from Kroos and van Persie - if Real Madrid and United hadn't put in good bids there, there's a good chance they would have gone elsewhere for good money. With De Gea we know he's going to Real Madrid, there's no other possible destination and he has set his mind on them.
No way he's worth £60m, not even with a 5-year contract. He's a goalkeeper, world class one obviously but he should cost no more than £40m under any circumstances. We do tend to overrate our players value a bit, I remember discussing with someone who thought £30m for Hernandez would have been a joke after his first season and people actually said they'd have turned down £40m for Januzaj because he was worth more.
£30m is not unreasonable considering how desperate Real are.
If they want to wait 12 months and get him for nothing then fine. I'd value another year of DDG at £25m, so anything below that should be immediately discounted. Plus, if we win league and CL (why not dream) he might want to stay
If they want to wait 12 months and get him for nothing then fine. I'd value another year of DDG at £25m, so anything below that should be immediately discounted. Plus, if we win league and CL (why not dream) he might want to stay
Not true at all, Real hold all the cards because even if we don’t accept laughable bids that will be coming all summer (at least that’s what I expect), they still have Casillas (who, although clearly inferior to De Gea, can play one more year) and Navas, who is 28. We, on the other hand, need to deal with this situation quickly (unless we expect Valdes to be our number 1 which I doubt). I’d say that getting a new GK as quick as possible is more important than getting a few more millions from Madrid.
A lot of people don’t accept the situation that Madrid have played their cards very well, and there’s not much we can do about De Gea will to go back to Spain. It’s not like there is a bidding war, there is only one winner.
Real won't want to go into next season with Casillas and Navas.
They will want to get this wrapped up asap.
If we stand firm and as the clock ticks down, they will get more and more desperate.
Valdes will be fine for us as #1 for a season whilst we look for someone else. Either that or we pinch Cech from Arsenal.
If we don't mind losing De Gea for free next year, which I presume we don't, then we hold all the cards imo.
They will want to get this wrapped up asap.
If we stand firm and as the clock ticks down, they will get more and more desperate.
Valdes will be fine for us as #1 for a season whilst we look for someone else. Either that or we pinch Cech from Arsenal.
If we don't mind losing De Gea for free next year, which I presume we don't, then we hold all the cards imo.
£30m is a bit much for a year of his service. In 12 months he's going to be a Real Madrid player whether we like it or not, the fee they will agree now will be for a year of his service. This makes it different from Kroos and van Persie - if Real Madrid and United hadn't put in good bids there, there's a good chance they would have gone elsewhere for good money. With De Gea we know he's going to Real Madrid, there's no other possible destination and he has set his mind on them.
No way he's worth £60m, not even with a 5-year contract. He's a goalkeeper, world class one obviously but he should cost no more than £40m under any circumstances. We do tend to overrate our players value a bit, I remember discussing with someone who thought £30m for Hernandez would have been a joke after his first season and people actually said they'd have turned down £40m for Januzaj because he was worth more.
Not really. In fact I think we should insist on it. United don't need the money from this sale, however, getting nothing for him would sting and Real Madrid can afford it. If they want him, they'll pay it just like they did for Ronaldo. In all likelihood he will be a Madrid player now or in a years time but Madrid will want him now and not later. They're the footballing equivalent of a spoilt brat who wants things now, it's the way they always have been and always will be.
I'm sorry but I think that's bollocks. Goalkeepers are at a premium because there are so few top class ones about. De Gea is without doubt one of the best goalkeepers in the world like you say, definitely within the top 3 and his price (IF he was a long-term contract) should be around double what we should ask for now. Buffon went for £32m in 2001 so imagine the inflation on that price if that was now. That is the price realistically we should have been asking for.
He's on about £50k at the moment, and we've reportedly offered him £200k, so if we keep him for a year on the lower wages that's an effective saving of £7.8m, so rejecting the shitty bid would only have a real world cost of keeping him for the year of £5.2m.
Assuming they don't up the bid. Which they will. But whatever. feck 'em.
Assuming they don't up the bid. Which they will. But whatever. feck 'em.
You're completely ignoring the fact that he has twelve months to run on his deal. Real Madrid are under no pressure here, they know they're getting him and they can wait a year - they still have Casillas who's a good goalkeeper and Keylor Navas who's also pretty decent, there's no pressure from their point of view at all and certainly not enough to justify spending £30m+ for a year of De Gea service. It'd be diifferent if there was another team with realistic chance of getting him chasing him or even slightest possibility of him extending United deal in the next 12 months, but there isn't. He's going to be their player in 2016 anyway. It's the same case as with Lewandowski - Bayern wanted him and they knew that they were going to get him, they put a £25m bid and when Dortmund refused they simply waited another year.
Buffon went for that price at a time when Italian clubs were spending money like mad. The fact that his record hasn't been broken since and you've hardly head about £20m+ bids being tabled for goalkeepers should be pretty telling. He's not worth £60m, that's nonsense.
£30m is not unreasonable considering how desperate Real are.
If they want to wait 12 months and get him for nothing then fine. I'd value another year of DDG at £25m, so anything below that should be immediately discounted. Plus, if we win league and CL (why not dream) he might want to stay
Why would they be desperate? They have two perfectly fine goalkeepers who can stick around for a year easily.
If we got £30m for him that would cover almost entire fee needed to get Otamendi. I'd say that having Otamendi (or any other good defender) here for the next 5-6 years is worth considerably more than keeping De Gea for an extra season, even if we had to pay £20m to find replacement (one that'd be here for 6-8 years not feck off once their contract runs out). Not Cilessen please.
A good save here or there to a team like Real Madrid could be the difference between winning or losing La Liga or winning or losing the Champions League, and there's plenty of money and prestige in both. So I'd say he's absolutely worth more than £30m to them, especially averaged over several years. Obviously that's a bit simplistic, but in general they don't have trouble scoring but tend to be be a bit leaky so I can see there's a pressing need for them to have the best GK around. As good as they are, Casillas and Navas aren't what they need now.
I'm not ignoring it at all whereas you're completely dismissing the fact that it's Real Madrid we're talking about here and not a well run, principled Club. He may have a year left but they want him now. I think that much is clear. We manage to keep him for a year, he may sign another contract. After all, he's not unhappy here is he.
Yes, they still have those two, one of which is a Madrid legend and they're still trying to force him out. It's simple logic, he (likely) wants to join them, they definitely want him now. We demand £30m for him because we can and they'll pay it because they can. We get a decent fee for him and they get what they want.
It isn't nonsense. If he was on a decent contract that would be his market value in the modern day football world regardless of whether he's a goalkeeper or not. He's a quality one and to get quality you have to pay.
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You know what? Let's start fecking with Madrid. Approach Barca, offer straight swap with DDG for Ter Stegen. Or money + DDG for Bravo.
It's clear we've lost DDG, I just want to piss off Madrid as much as possible along the way.
It's clear we've lost DDG, I just want to piss off Madrid as much as possible along the way.
His value is dictated primarily by the fact that we don't need to make money selling players. Ergo he's worth whatever the fk the club say he's worth.
With a year on his contract the very least that should be is £30m. With 5 years it would be indeed be double.
With a year on his contract the very least that should be is £30m. With 5 years it would be indeed be double.
I just wish they would get it over and done with so he is no longer our player and we can move on. Either we will use Valdes and buy another backup or we can get another number one. Letting this drag out isn't helping. I would even be tempted to get another goalie in. Then sell them De Gea last minute of the transfer window, so he gets no pre-season with them.
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