I think that for them would be more painful if was Courtois and no David.They will be upset I guess,like in the past with Hugo Sanchez or Arsenal fans with Van Persie or Borussia with Gotze but sure they will get over it
De Gea Contract Situation
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The BBC are running this story as a United headline at the moment.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33568804
But they're not quoting sources, which is unlike the BBC. Usually they don't run stories unless it's factual. Or maybe I'm behind, and the club have explained that they want Ramos as part of the De Gea deal.
Personally I don't think United want Ramos at all, or the club is simply using the Ramos situation (he wants more money) to destabilize the De Gea situation, and for Van Gaal and Ed Woodward to flex United's muscles as a statement explaining that Real can't simply pinch our players when they feel like it.
Bale is obviously the player United want, not Ramos. Ramos wouldn't last 5 minutes in the Premier league, and there's no way he'd want to quit Madrid for Manchester. I'd be interested to know where the BBC are getting their info from, seeing as Real haven't actually approached United for De Gea yet. No bid has been submitted.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33568804
But they're not quoting sources, which is unlike the BBC. Usually they don't run stories unless it's factual. Or maybe I'm behind, and the club have explained that they want Ramos as part of the De Gea deal.
Personally I don't think United want Ramos at all, or the club is simply using the Ramos situation (he wants more money) to destabilize the De Gea situation, and for Van Gaal and Ed Woodward to flex United's muscles as a statement explaining that Real can't simply pinch our players when they feel like it.
Bale is obviously the player United want, not Ramos. Ramos wouldn't last 5 minutes in the Premier league, and there's no way he'd want to quit Madrid for Manchester. I'd be interested to know where the BBC are getting their info from, seeing as Real haven't actually approached United for De Gea yet. No bid has been submitted.
People were having a go at De Gea's silence a month ago saying he should put in a transfer request if he wants to leave. Ironic if his non-confrontational nature leads to him staying with us for another season. Got zero doubts about his professionalism either.
Quick question, I have a vague memory of a potential transfer ban for Real for the same reason Barcelona have one. Is it still a possibility or has it gone away? If so, next summer could be hilarious.
Ah there's the arrogance again
He is right though, at Old Trafford the fans support the players even when things aren't great, with a handful of exceptions and bad behaviors obviously. But Bernabeu is different the fans will abuse the team or the players at the first opportunity and in the case of De Gea he will be compared to Casillas and he will be abused if he makes 'mistakes' early in his career with them.
You think the Madristas would be used to their keeper making a pile of mistakes, like Casillas.....
They don't care he isn't Casillas and they will expect miracles from De Gea, also Casillas has been excellent for years.
great sentiments fellas, but we'd need all top clubs to do it. standing alone would simply mean that we miss out on a lot of top players that he looks after.
it's like when we tried to make a stand on agents fees and all it did was stop us getting the likes of Hazard.
Coming from a fan of the club who thinks Fabian Delph is the answer to their midfield conundrum...
It just goes to show what a poor decision he'll be making joining them.
The way Real has treated of Iker's standing should be a salutary lesson for De Gea. Casillas, a goalkeeper who has won the lot for club and country gets shoved out of the door. When De Gea falls out of favour, or the next hot shot goalie comes along, he can expect the same.
Yes, but he is working against us in this situation, so why should we trust him. Plus, he needs our money, so he will not take it lightly. Look at Barcelona, how many of his players do they have, or Juventus, Bayern? France and Germany are big markets and he doesn't have to many of their players, so we should have more then enough room to operate.
We have signed Depay, Schneiderling, Schweinsteiger and Darmian, plus we will maybe go for Otamendi, who would probably be finished by now if we would be dealing with Real because of Mednes. So 5 players and as far as I know none of them is his client. Last year Herrera, Shaw and Blind, probably our best signings and none of them is his client.
But 2 players we did sign and who are his clients are Falcao and di Maria and it only costs us a lot of money and actually made a lot of problems for us, especially the Falcao signing.
It is quite clear that he isn't really helping us rebuilding this squad.
don't forget the blatant Bebe bribe too!
Delph isn't replacing anyone though. Cillessen would be replacing a world class keeper. There's a big difference.
It seems that Bernabeu whistles every player who fails a pass and is not like this. Usually there is a reason behind it ,often related to lack of interest , laziness or cockiness.
Bale was whistled because was playing below his potential being lazy to defend, however no one thought never about booing Beckham. Besides this happens in other stadiums in Spain and probably Italy.
If they play trying to leave everything on the field they will be ok. The press will always have something to say about Madrid , especially because there are two daily newspapers that are based on inventing or inflating problems
And where did I say Delph would be replacing anyone? It's the fact that he's crap that I'm getting at.
He is not in my heart yet,I mean,he played in Atletico,he never showed publicly sympathy for the club and he would come after a legend left, although I'd like to see him here to be sure that he will be starter in the national team.He has a lot to prove.He is a great goalkeeper but honestly I would be more excited for a attacking midfielder or a striker.30/35m€ would be my limit(easy to say since the money is not mine),if not I would give a chance to Keylor
You guys have won one league championship in seven seasons, Barcelona are very strong and well run too, Perez thinks he's running a circus! As of now I don't think Real Madrid are favourites for the league and the champions league is always difficult to win, your manager is Benitez too, not exactly in that top tier.
De Gea is one of the best goalkeepers in the world, you guys need to strengthen, if you guys want to limit the De Gea bid to £20m - £24m then that suggests you don't mind missing out to Barcelona again, if not then surely you'll pay what you need since you can't put a price on winning trophies.
So I reckon he's staying this season?
If de gea sees his contract out we can at least spend a year properly scouting his replacement, would prefer that to having to go for an average and over priced replacement like cillesen.
You said he'd be the answer to our midfield conundrum, suggesting he's going to have a key role to play. We signed him for £8m, there is no belief he'll become a key player for us. We've signed him because he is a good English midfielder who should be coming into his peak years, not to be the next Yaya Toure.
The premier league attackers aren't that much better than La Liga's, if at all.
For me Benitez is a good manager and can provide a good defensive system, organize the academy and win trophies , especially in knock out competitions .I guess that the negative opinions in this forum are quite subjective. You are right about la liga, 1 in 7 years in very poor but that doesn´t mean that the club has to pay crazy amounts for a player that will be free in some months. Navas is not so good but is a more than decent option I think
In Spain most of the play is to feet. In the prem it's an aerial bombardment with most of the mediocre sides. Imagine Ramos having to deal with constant crosses into the box?
Believe me when I say this, if you had offered £25m at the start of this saga he'd probably be yours right now. But no you had to rub it in and humiliate us by offering a pittance for a keeper we developed, losing a title in the process. Miscalculating that like a bitch in heat we will take whatever you offered to avoid losing him on a free.
Well personally I don't think Benitez is the level of manager Real Madrid should be aspiring to. It's not because I'm biased (I want Real Madrid to win La Liga, I prefer them to Barcelona and will be supporting them next season), I just genuinely do not think he is in the league of Mourinho or even Ancelotti, also Real Madrid shouldn't be settling for a defensive system, at United I'm happy Louis van Gaal wants to play attacking positive football and this should be Real Madrid's objective too.
And it's not just 1 in 7 years, the past is the past, looking forward it's hard to imagine Real Madrid being that prolific in the next seven seasons, Barcelona just did the treble and that was Enrique's first season, they are well run and have an excellent team, if you want to beat them to the championship you need the very best players, you need the De Gea's of football, if you want to wait then fair enough, I'd rather keep De Gea so I do hope Real Madrid do wait, if on form next season he will be key in terms of how well we perform, with him we have a much better chance of winning the championship, as Ferguson said "he can win you 10 points a season".
But the pressure of being goalkeeper for Real is no bigger than it is being United's.
The expectations and standards are the same. The only difference is fans in Premier League stadiums support the players, whilst at the Bernabeau they bitch, moan and whistle.
That may be normal in Spain but people in the Anglo world find that a deplorable approach.
I expect DDG to stay for one more year. Looks like Real won't let Ramos leave even though it appears he wants to.
Give over. He wouldn't have signed for you if he hadn't been made promises about his role next season. He was Villa's captain and in the England squad, he wouldn't have given that up for a bench role.
It's not really an aerial bombardment with most of the mediocre sides, also Louis van Gaal doesn't plan on having United on the back foot having to deal with constant crosses into the box, he intends on dominating games to the point Ramos will spend far more time building attacks from the back than he will defending them.
He also is a champion with Spain, I doubt he will have difficulty defending against the mediocre premier league sides, let's face it he's not midtable quality, he's not Lovren.
We are on the cusp of leapfrogging Real as the highest revenue club in the world for the coming season.
I expect us to absolutely steam ahead of them financially in the coming years.
£25m is worth the hit for another year of De Gea. They can get fecked trying to get him on the cheap.
I expect us to absolutely steam ahead of them financially in the coming years.
£25m is worth the hit for another year of De Gea. They can get fecked trying to get him on the cheap.
He needs to be sold this Summer. Feck Madrid getting him for free next season. Cnuts.
Sky have the same story. Must have been briefed by the club.
I know, I am quite pessimistic about the club organization and the future. About Benitez..If I am right he beat Mourinho in Champions league. He won la liga with Valencia and I am really curious about the solutions that he has thought for the team. He has friends in the press and knows the club atmosphere. Anyway, as we all know, if he doesn´t play nice he will be sacked before or after, I guess that is his challenge, play nice keeping the tactical solidity that characterizes him.
What coach would you have brought ? Imagine another scenario, in which Madrid had signed Van Gaal. Surely it would have the same kind of jokes .
Atletico developed him, he was the most talented young keeper in Spain, United didn´t reinvent the wheel. I don´t think that was the intention of humiliating. Probably the first offer was low, with the prospect of increasing later, but United asked for Ramos. I understand that you value the player and if he had a longer contract could be debatable, but being 1 year left, it sounded (from a Madrid fan perspective) as a joke to avoid any negotiation.
Bit of an understatement. That just sounds arrogant and more like a joke than what you describe. You want him, Madrid should pay what's been asked and then comment.
Yep and instead they will get him for free. We are really fecking them over.
I disagree , I do not think it's arrogant to start with a low bid and wait for a counter offer . In this case, in my opinion the counter offer was completely disproportionate. Madrid offered and paid 25 million for Kroos , so perhaps for that reason they offered the same now.
its a season of uncertainty for them in league and CL, especially new manager and losing Iker. look what happened to us when Schmeichel left. we could possibly meet Madrid this year in CL
I think United want Ramos but I think we chose the wrong target. Even if Ramos wanted to join (which he might), he's on the older side and Real are in a position where they could let him run his contract down - he'll be 31 when it expires, maybe they don't think it's worth giving him a pay rise and a long extension so he can play until his mid 30s on crazy money, even if that does mean they risk losing him for free. Bale would have been even less likely a target.
For me I think we should have tried going for someone else. Maybe Benzema...
If De Gea had stayed in Spain he'd still be the great shot stopper that Casillas snd Valdes are not the complete package that see today - exposure to English football gave him those aspects that are missing in most La Liga keepers. We gave him that platform.
You paid €25m for Kroos because he was an asset that Bayern had decided wasn't worth the wages he was demanding and could be replaced, we still want De Gea in our team and for that you have to pay a reasonably high fee, no? The thing is you expected an easy ride but we had other ideas and here we are.
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