now that they've apologized, it should be forgotten, and things should go back to normal
http://www.jp.dk/meninger/ncartikel:aid=3527646
http://www.jp.dk/meninger/ncartikel:aid=3527646
Imams Back Call for Danish Boycott
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Nistelrooy10 said:
what did you want the government of denmark to do? prosecute the paper for offending muslims? pass laws preventing depictions of mohammed in newspapers?
i don't think you're getting the whole boycot thing. see, boycots are aimed at the people who did something wrong (in the eyes of the boycotter). if an american felt that that the french governement or aruban government did something wrong, then they can boycot products from that company. the danish government does not run this newspaper. why are people not getting this? is the idea that a newspaper and a government are independent of each other so strange?
instead of killing someone they're now trying to pressure governments to ban speech. ha, progress.
Nistelrooy10 said:
What the boycotting Muslims are demanding is that the nation of Denmark revise their laws to eliminate the freedom of speech when it offends the "average" religious kook extremist cleric. I don't think the Danes need to look to the uninformed but indignant protestors for guidance on how to run a free society which is, I believe, what the Danes hope to accomplish. There is a distinct need for certain members of your faith to grow up, shut up, stop playing the victim, and accord others the right to their beliefs.
As I said previously, the cartoons don't show much beyond what certain of the militant Islamic clerics claim are the teachings of their faith--the right to use young and impressionable youth to be suicide bombers to kill vicious women and children in markets and on busses whereupon the young bomb toters ascend into Paradise where their needs are catered to by 70 virgins. I've never seen or heard of an allegedly religous belief more needing parody and ridicule than that.
There is no way that the cartoons in question could ridicule and insult the memory of the Prophet more than the "teachings" they depict.
Nistelrooy10 said:
that was ridiculous too. I spent more money on French wine that time than at any other time in the last few years.
Nistelrooy10 said:
The "boycott" of France was based on the opposition of the French government to the policy of the Bush administration, not the fact that some newspaper in Paris insulted Dubya's foreign policy. There could actually have been a correlation between the nation and the boycott, unlike the current one against Denmark. Not that I recall much of a boycott actually occuring between 2001 and the present.
As far as your alleged Aruba boycott--where did you obtain the information that "most people responded positively?" From the same news outlet that assured you that Sept 11 was a Zionist plot because "no Jews went to work at the Twin Towers that day?"
AhmedDimwitson said:
How can you be trialed for when you haven't broken the law?
Nistelrooy10 said:
Yes, they certainly deserve a bit slap on the back for managing to restrain themselves from murdering anyone over this cartoon
Well done all
The "Stop Stop We have run out of Virgins" picture made me laugh
serious question for the Koran scholars here (kinda off topic but it got me wondering about it):
What does the Koran say about killing people (I mean does it in any way justify viloence or murder?).
Does it mention rewards for such acts?
What does the Koran say about womens garb and their role in society?
thanks.
What does the Koran say about killing people (I mean does it in any way justify viloence or murder?).
Does it mention rewards for such acts?
What does the Koran say about womens garb and their role in society?
thanks.
holyland red said:
what's wrong with that, except it's not in colour.
Nistelrooy10 said:
What fecking bollocks.
The US should demand Al Jazeera to apologize for its anti-US stance or it will carpet bomb Dubai.
Plechazunga said:
Yes, they certainly deserve a bit slap on the back for managing to restrain themselves from murdering anyone over this cartoon
Well done all
Eh, its not all over yet....
Stamford Bridge said:
You'd love that.
A victory for the BNP.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1138622532495&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Palestinian 'gunmen' have surrounded the EU in Gaza over the cartoon.
Palestinian 'gunmen' have surrounded the EU in Gaza over the cartoon.
utdalltheway said:
Pretty much same as other religions
Hell
Dress modestly - Women are equal partners in life.
Please excuse me for not going into detail - would divert the topic of this thread.
Sultan said:
thanks for the response Sultan.
In Christianity it's motto is "turn the other cheek". not sure about Judaism as I think they go for the ould "eye for an eye".
So, what is your opinion about the latest developments: "Hundreds demonstrated in Pakistan on Thursday, chanting "Death to Denmark" and burning Danish and French flags." etc. ?
Spoony said:
I would love it more if they carpet bombed manchester just to be rid of you.
utdalltheway said:
It's heart warming to finally feel belonging to the family of civilised nations.
utdalltheway said:what's wrong with that, except it's not in colour.
I've been looking for a Qatari flag to burn, and can't find one. I know you'd say I have to blame freedom of speech in Qatar, but since that doesn't exist I'll have to settle for the traditional flag burning.
I also decided to stop smoking "Camel".
holyland red said:
utdalltheway said:
That same logic (forgiveness) applies in Islam and Judaism.
I have lived in the West virtually all my life, belonging to both cultures I understand both sides of the devide - the publications in question in my opinion set out to offend and provoke outrage in the Muslim community. In that respect it was nothing but mischief-making and abuse by the free press.
There was no gain to be had in exercising the right to freedom of speech/expression on this occasion and in this manner, unless of course the agenda from the start was creating animosity and divisions. The protests are not about such freedoms but the principle of deliberate offence and provocaton...I am sure the majority of the Muslim world know and respect and are maybe envious of the great freedoms which are afforded in the West.
I am sure the majority of Muslims are able to distinguish between those who wish to debate and those who wish to insult. Trying to camouflage insults/racism under the guise of debate or free speech is what all this fuss is about.
PS. the flag burning is just as despicable, and deliberate provocation.
Sultan said:
if this had been about Jesus you know that there wouldn't be half the fuss. sure some people would get riled up but there also would have been a lot more people praying than taking over buildings, burning effigies, etc.
Do you agree?
utdalltheway said:
I agree...although much too much is made of taking over the building (a small office) and flag burning events, bad as they are they represent a very small minority. Muslims should learn to think with their brains rather than their hearts and emotions.
If the caricatures had been of Prophet Jesus or Moses (peace be upon them) I would have the same opinions.
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2006/01/a_mountain_out.php#more
"The initial printing of the cartoons in Denmark led to death threats being issued against the artists, demonstrations in Kashmir, and condemnation from 11 countries. What did any of this achieve but prove the original point of the newspaper's culture editor, that artists in Europe were censoring themselves because they feared Muslim reaction? He commissioned the cartoons after hearing that Danish artists were too scared to illustrate a children's book about the prophet."
congrats to the insane muslims for living up to the caricature.
"The initial printing of the cartoons in Denmark led to death threats being issued against the artists, demonstrations in Kashmir, and condemnation from 11 countries. What did any of this achieve but prove the original point of the newspaper's culture editor, that artists in Europe were censoring themselves because they feared Muslim reaction? He commissioned the cartoons after hearing that Danish artists were too scared to illustrate a children's book about the prophet."
congrats to the insane muslims for living up to the caricature.
FresnoBob said:As far as your alleged Aruba boycott--where did you obtain the information that "most people responded positively?" From the same news outlet that assured you that Sept 11 was a Zionist plot because "no Jews went to work at the Twin Towers that day?"
If that's what you call Fux News
Stamford Bridge said:
Another idiotic post by you. Al Jazeera's stance is purelly political, did they insult Jesus or something?
032Devil said:
mate, have you any idea what muslim countries print about the Jews?????
Nistelrooy10 said:
Are you claiming that Fox "News" announced that a majority of Americans were participating in a boycott against Aruba? If so, I'm merely calling you a liar, no big deal.
Sultan said:
That's racist
Nistelrooy10 said:
http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=497
"Most observers agree that Aruba authorities botched the Natalee Holloway case, and some Americans have called for a boycott of the island. Fox News correspondent Geraldo Rivera put forth another idea. 'You have to tell American parents not to send their high schoolers and their underage kids to Aruba. I think that will be boycott enough. It will punish the government, but will keep intact the economy that serves the people of Aruba. You don't want to punish them overtly, but you do want to send them a signal.' The Factor agreed that a total boycott would affect the wrong people. 'If we boycott Aruba and put pressure on cruise ships not to stop there, thousands of people who had nothing to do with this get hurt.'"
by bringing up aruba, you've just demonstrated that bill o'reilly is actually less insane than these imams.
Sultan said:
Some prophet- he said the land would be ours. AEBM would make just as good a prophet as he was.
Sultan said:
same here, but I wouldn't be looking for an apology from those that made or printed the cartoons. but that's just me. as I mentioned others would get all riled up but then I'd consider them as hypocrites.
I think this Bible verse is in some way relevant to the topic.
"Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither. They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock. For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he." Jeremiah 31:8-10 (KJV)
And this one.
"For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it." Jeremiah 30:3 (KJV)
2 more.
"Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. " For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished." Jeremiah 30:10-11 (KJV)
"Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob. And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God." Ezekiel 28:25-26 (KJV)
GOD'S VERY NAME is linked to the regathering and survival of Israel. His promises will be brought to pass for His own purposes. You can count on it - or else - He would be a Liar.
Now do not come out and ask me why God chose Israel, pray to him and ask him to show you.
"Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither. They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock. For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he." Jeremiah 31:8-10 (KJV)
And this one.
"For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it." Jeremiah 30:3 (KJV)
2 more.
"Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. " For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished." Jeremiah 30:10-11 (KJV)
"Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob. And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God." Ezekiel 28:25-26 (KJV)
GOD'S VERY NAME is linked to the regathering and survival of Israel. His promises will be brought to pass for His own purposes. You can count on it - or else - He would be a Liar.
Now do not come out and ask me why God chose Israel, pray to him and ask him to show you.
not really.
Im red2 said:
ffs, there's nothing there about cartoons.
FresnoBob said:
of course not, there was a poll as usual.
utdalltheway said:
I posted it after reading the first page of this thread, so it does look sort of out of place now.
Nistelrooy10 said:
So--was this another of those "scientific polls" conducted by some portion of the cretinous media from which we deduce that those who responded should not be allowed to vote?
Im red2 said:
Neither the King James nor the new King James versions of the Bible discuss cartoons, you'll need to find a more "contemporary" translation--I think Spoony and Plechazunga might have written one you could quote.