Liverpool

I can't believe that we're relying on a bunch of passionless mercenaries to beat Liverpool to the title. Everybody is saying that they'll win their remaining home games, but I don't know, they'll probably decide to just stroll around and defend like they don't give a crap in one of them.

That's what Liverpool have over City, sheer passion.
 
johnny boy said:
I agree about the European schedule, however it's not like we don't want that. Just the opposite obviously.
Of course it's an advantage but we would love to be back in the Champions League and hopefully in the summer we now have chance to get the added quality in we need. If we can do that then the future is very bright.
Part of the need is to build a squad capable of challenging for honours, and yes obviously City's squad is the best in the league, but defensively I don't think they are as good as they should be given the financial resources they have.
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Don't disagree with any of that. I was responding to a comment whereby someone said winning the league means you have the best team and attack.
 
Carl said:
Not true. The added benefit of not having to manage a squad through a European schedule plays it's part. Liverpool simply haven't had the same challenge as City or Chelsea.

City squad and team is the best in the league in my opinion.

That's not to say Liverpool haven't been brilliant though. If it was anyone but Liverpool I'd be wanting them to win the league for the football they've played.
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But Liverpool haven't built a squad to cope with CL football but those two clubs have which his why their squads are better - it's needs must.

Rodgers has worked with a much smaller squad which brings with it its own challenge - it is relative.

If Liverpool win the league they have been the best. Odd to argue otherwise.
 
PickledRed said:
If Liverpool win the league they have been the best. Odd to argue otherwise.
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No it isn't because you haven't had the same challenge.

It's like having a 10 meter head start in a 100 meter race then claiming to be fastest when you win.

Edit: Although, that's a slightly different argument to what you originally said. At first you said if you win it means you have the best team and attack (incorrect) whereas now you're saying if you win you have performed the best, which would be undeniably correct.
 
Carl said:
No it isn't because you haven't had the same challenge.

It's like having a 10 meter head start in a 100 meter race then claiming to be fastest when you win.

Edit: Although, that's a slightly different argument to what you originally said. At first you said if you win it means you have the best team and attack (incorrect) whereas now you're saying if you win you have been the best, which would be undeniably correct.
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At the start of the season City and Chelsea's challenge was different to Liverpool as they had a huge squad to cope with different comps. Added to the fact that they have a built a squad with the attraction of CL football - Willian and Salah two obvious examples of players who turned down Liverpool due to CL. Liverpool have not built a squad with CL money, Rodgers is working with a small squad in comparison. As I stated above, the challenge is relative.

I just believe that when talking about City and Chelsea the notion that their squads are straining due to the CL is a stretch. Everything about how their squads have been built over recent years in geared towards multiple trophy assaults. Liverpool's recent history hasn't given Rodgers that ability which is why he could only focus on one thing. And at the moment, in that one thing Liverpool will have been the best if they win it.
 
When was Willian linked with Liverpool? He was shoe-in to join Tottenham when Chelsea sabotaged that deal. And Spurs too aren't in the CL.
 
PickledRed said:
At the start of the season City and Chelsea's challenge was different to Liverpool as they had a huge squad to cope with different comps. Added to the fact that they have a built a squad with the attraction of CL football - Willian and Salah two obvious examples of players who turned down Liverpool due to CL. Liverpool have not built a squad with CL money, Rodgers is working with a small squad in comparison. As I stated above, the challenge is relative.

I just believe that when talking about City and Chelsea the notion that their squads are straining due to the CL is a stretch. Everything about how their squads have been built over recent years in geared towards multiple trophy assaults. Liverpool's recent history hasn't given Rodgers that ability which is why he could only focus on one thing. And at the moment, in that one thing Liverpool will have been the best if they win it.
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As I've already said, whomever wins the league has undeniably performed the best. It's indisputable and that's not what I'm trying to do.
 
coolredwine said:
When was Willian linked with Liverpool? He was shoe-in to join Tottenham when Chelsea sabotaged that deal. And Spurs too aren't in the CL.
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Iirc he seemed certain to join Liverpool until Spurs hijacked the deal. Spurs then seemed certain to sign him until Chelsea hijacked the deal.
 
coolredwine said:
When was Willian linked with Liverpool? He was shoe-in to join Tottenham when Chelsea sabotaged that deal. And Spurs too aren't in the CL.
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I think there were complications with the bid Liverpool either put in or were prepared to pay.
Tottenham had the Bale money (not sure if they had sold him by then) plus at least had some european football plus the London factor.
 
It does feel like this is their year, yesterday they were so poor at times but when you're in form things usually go in your favour. If they beat City next week the title is theirs imo.
 
Carl said:
No it isn't because you haven't had the same challenge.

It's like having a 10 meter head start in a 100 meter race then claiming to be fastest when you win.

Edit: Although, that's a slightly different argument to what you originally said. At first you said if you win it means you have the best team and attack (incorrect) whereas now you're saying if you win you have performed the best, which would be undeniably correct.
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Ridiculous. There is nothing stopping those teams from prioritising the league if they want to.

It's rather like choosing to take ten steps back from your competitor, because you've shot yourself up on juice for years to make you believe you can win another race in the same run and still beat your competitor.
 
B20 said:
Ridiculous. There is nothing stopping those teams from prioritising the league if they want to.

It's rather like choosing to take ten steps back from your competitor, because you've shot yourself up on juice for years to make you believe you can win another race in the same run and still beat your competitor.
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10 steps forwards or 10 steps back. Either way one has an advantage over the other.
 
Carl said:
10 steps forwards or 10 steps back. Either way one has an advantage over the other.
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It will be quite funny when, after so many arguments on here about whether Liverpool deserve to win or have been given a helping hand with penalties or whether the lack of Europe aided them, they fail to come in the top 2! :D
 
If they win it is down to Rodgers (one of the very best young manager's and tacticians around) and on the back of Suaarez ad Sturridge's goals. They don't have an elite defence or midfield. They have a system that gets the very best out of the payers they have. Credit to the manager.
 
Carl said:
10 steps forwards or 10 steps back. Either way one has an advantage over the other.
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They've chosen their own disadvantage. And then spent heavily beyond our means to compensate for it. That's not a real disadvantage.

You're basically saying they should get a moral trophy for competing in several tournaments and losing them all as opposed to prioritising one.
 
JaffyJoe said:
If they win it is down to Rodgers (one of the very best young manager's and tacticians around) and on the back of Suaarez ad Sturridge's goals. They don't have an elite defence or midfield. They have a system that gets the very best out of the payers they have. Credit to the manager.
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Agreed, but who would you say has a better midfield in the league? I think our midfield gets a bit underrated i only see City as having a better one, certainly not elite though as you say.
 
I have a feeling Liverpool will dismantle City next week.... as in 3-0 in the first 20 minutes once again.
 
Snipers Breath said:
Agreed, but who would you say has a better midfield in the league? I think our midfield gets a bit underrated i only see City as having a better one, certainly not elite though as you say.
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Rodgers has got the best out of what we have.
On paper Chelsea, City, Arsenal all have a better midfield than us, but our players have performed consistently over the season.
Henderson is an example, he probably wouldn't get in some teams but he has been excellent this season.
 
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B20 said:
They've chosen their own disadvantage. And then spent heavily beyond our means to compensate for it. That's not a real disadvantage.

You're basically saying they should get a moral trophy for competing in several tournaments and losing them all as opposed to prioritising one.
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Not in so many words, they qualified the competition, they've chosen to prioritize it, but Carl is right in what he's saying in that it would be harder for one of Chelsea/City to win the league, give the fact they have multiple competitions/priorities. It doesn't take anything way from the fact that if Liverpool win the league, then quite simply, they have been the best team, no excuses. However the notion that it would be harder if Liverpool also had other competitions (that they value over PL), is quite true to be honest, but again, that doesn't make Liverpool, should they win, any less deserving.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Not in so many words, they qualified the competition, they've chosen to prioritize it, but Carl is right in what he's saying in that it would be harder for one of Chelsea/City to win the league, give the fact they have multiple competitions/priorities. It doesn't take anything way from the fact that if Liverpool win the league, then quite simply, they have been the best team, no excuses. However the notion that it would be harder if Liverpool also had other competitions (that they value over PL), is quite true to be honest, but again, that doesn't make Liverpool, should they win, any less deserving.
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They also have bigger squads, and more money because of these competitions, its as well an advantage as a disadvantage.
 
Snipers Breath said:
They also have bigger squads, and more money because of these competitions, its as well an advantage as a disadvantage.
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Granted, but the squad & money debate is for another time, we're saying taking it face value as the season started...

And really, if you want to quote 'Money', then Liverpool have the 3rd highest outlay of transfer fee's since the birth of the PL, with Chelsea & City above only.
 
NK86 said:
It will be quite funny when, after so many arguments on here about whether Liverpool deserve to win or have been given a helping hand with penalties or whether the lack of Europe aided them, they fail to come in the top 2! :D
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I doubt you'll be laughing when the draw for the CL is made next season. That was always our objective, & it's very much objective achieved. Anything over & above that will be a bonus. We thought it was funny when you 'lost the league' on Merseyside back in 1992. It still didn't stop your side from winning copious titles & other major pieces of silverware over the next 2 decades. I've no doubt you'll all be hoping, praying, wishing, this is a one-off. But there is always the possibility we could go from strength to strength over the coming years.

Now that's a scary thought for you.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Granted, but the squad & money debate is for another time, we're saying taking it face value as the season started...

And really, if you want to quote 'Money', then Liverpool have the 3rd highest outlay of transfer fee's since the birth of the PL, with Chelsea & City above only.
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And over the last couple years, we're behind Stoke, United have also spen

And i was more referring to the fact you can attract a better standard of player when in CL.
 
redman5 said:
I doubt you'll be laughing when the draw for the CL is made next season. That was always our objective, & it's very much objective achieved. Anything over & above that will be a bonus. We thought it was funny when you 'lost the league' on Merseyside back in 1992. It still didn't stop your side from winning copious titles & other major pieces of silverware over the next 2 decades. I've no doubt you'll all be hoping, praying, wishing, this is a one-off. But there is always the possibility we could go from strength to strength over the coming years.

Now that's a scary thought for you.
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Don't tell me you guys don't hope that United maintain this downward slide. 'cause if we come back strong next season, you might well be the team to drop out of the top 4.

EDIT: Regarding CL. Meh! Glorified Capitol One cup next season for me :p
 
It's amusing the ease with which 'Pool fans neglect that Mr. Bullshit has spent close to £100m since his arrival last term. Also, that a significant amount was spent before his arrival by his predecessor.

Amazing how he is hailed a hero, working his magic under great financial duress. :confused:
 
Snipers Breath said:
And over the last couple years, we're behind Stoke, United have also spen

And i was more referring to the fact you can attract a better standard of player when in CL.
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Don't understand the bolded part, sorry. In regards to the second comment, I don't think that's fair, you've spent more than us, but we've spent more season in the CL than anyone, so the "higher calibre of player to attract" is only not there down to your squad/managers previous failures.
 
NK86 said:
Don't tell me you guys don't hope that United maintain this downward slide. 'cause if we come back strong next season, you might well be the team to drop out of the top 4.
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What happens if you don't come back strong though ? You need quite a few players just to replace those who've served you so well over the past decade. & then there's the quality players needed to get you back into contention. Because as we've seen this season, you've been well short of that when it comes to playing the better sides in the PL. I've no doubt United will spend a lot of money in the summer, & that's on top of what you spent in the January window. But trying to fit those players into a new team, & playing a new system, is not as simple as it may seem. There is a possibility you may regress further before you start to move forward. & then there's always the argument of who is the better manager out of Moyes & Rodgers. It's great managers that build great sides. I think even you'd agree that at this moment in time our man is head & shoulders above your new gaffer.
 
Shinjisan said:
It's amusing the ease with which 'Pool fans neglect that Mr. Bullshit has spent close to £100m since his arrival last term. Also, that a significant amount was spent before his arrival by his predecessor.

Amazing how he is hailed a hero, working his magic under great financial duress. :confused:
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Oh come off it. We've spent an absolute pittance in comparison to the 2 sides below us. & if spending money is the key to all things great on a football pitch, why aren't Spurs up there challenging for the title ?
 
Snipers Breath said:
Agreed, but who would you say has a better midfield in the league? I think our midfield gets a bit underrated i only see City as having a better one, certainly not elite though as you say.
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City, Arsenal (when fit), Chelsea. You're definitely behind those three. I'm talking ability here not systems or anything. If Rodgers is able to get the players he wants in the Summer things can really only go up for Liverpool. I don't think Suarez will leave unless Madrid come in with a Ronaldo/Bale level bid. Sturridge will only get better Sterling too. I think you need a good quality cm that is both technically and physically in that 20 million pus bracket (though you can get quality for less). I hear you have been scouting Ravel Morrison.... Personally I think he would be a great signing for around 10 million so much potential he just needs a manager to bring it out of him. A new right back and a good centre back. Maybe another winger to but you do have Suso coming back. Bright days ahead at Anfield.
 
redman5 said:
What happens if you don't come back strong though ? You need quite a few players just to replace those who've served you so well over the past decade. & then there's the quality players needed to get you back into contention. Because as we've seen this season, you've been well short of that when it comes to playing the better sides in the PL. I've no doubt United will spend a lot of money in the summer, & that's on top of what you spent in the January window. But trying to fit those players into a new team, & playing a new system, is not as simple as it may seem. There is a possibility you may regress further before you start to move forward. & then there's always the argument of who is the better manager out of Moyes & Rodgers. It's great managers that build great sides. I think even you'd agree that at this moment in time our man is head & shoulders above your new gaffer.
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We don't need as many players as is being made out and that's my main point. We have come up short in the big games this season but that has been down to players being shot of confidence and a manger who could not get the players to perform well or devise a decent tactic.
Moreover, getting back in Europe will be a big boost for you guys but with that comes mid-week games to contend with. You surely cannot keep playing Suarez and Sturridge all the time next season whenever they are fit. Pretty much what you guys did this season.

Moreover, my point is that no one knows what will happen next season. You claimed that we hoped it is a one-off and that you guys don't kick on from there. To which I replied that you guys hope our poor form this season is not just a blip 'cause if it is we will be there or thereabouts next season. Chelsea and City won't be dropping out of the top 4, so that could easily be down to between you and Arsenal fighting it out to remain in the top 4. A lot of assumptions there I know, but simply a reply to your assumption that you will go from "strength to strength".
 
Talking Vulture said:
Yep. They're the favourites now, NQAT. Just hope their collective arses explode all over Rodgers' splendid, newly whitened teeth
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NQAT - I assume it stands for "No Questions About That". That's the first I have seen that acronym for those words :p. Well the caf teaches you new things everyday :D
 
Talking Vulture said:
It would be absolutely horrific if these cnuts win the title.
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They're going to win it. May as well just accept they deserve it and that if it wasn't for our car crash of a manager, we'd at least have made things difficult, and possibly would have prevented this
 
redman5 said:
Oh come off it. We've spent an absolute pittance in comparison to the 2 sides below us. & if spending money is the key to all things great on a football pitch, why aren't Spurs up there challenging for the title ?
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Well it's not an absolute pittance in comparison, but I take your point.

I never said spending money is key to all things. All I am disputing is the assertion that Mr. Bullshit has done it scrapping the barrel bottom. He has spend a significant amount of money since he joined Liverpool. Some managers would give their left nut for a chance to spend £100m in 2 seasons.

Also, you cannot dispute that you have had the fortune of managerial changes at all three top clubs. All credit to Mr. Bullshit for taking the full advantage of it and for Liverpool's performances this season. Neither I, or anyone else can deny it.

Although forgive me if I am not ready to hail him as some kind of Robinhood, who has come as a messiah for the poor and the downtrodden Liverpool fans.
 
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