Adebaoyr on his day is a class footballer and I would rather have him on the bench than any of Uniteds options. well saying that I don't know as I still think Owen is always gonna get you a goal. But Adebayor is no mug, I find it funny people slag Adebayor of when hes scored consistently over a number of years in England yet say Nani will be the stand out attacker if hes fit. United fans were saying get rid of nani in January yet in less than 10 months people think hes gonna be the best attacker on the pitch. Not a chance, as well as nani is playing, hes still not playing as well as Tevez
Manchester City vs. Manchester United - Premier League, 10/11/2010
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Adebaoyr on his day is a class footballer and I would rather have him on the bench than any of Uniteds options. well saying that I don't know as I still think Owen is always gonna get you a goal. But Adebayor is no mug, I find it funny people slag Adebayor of when hes scored consistently over a number of years in England yet say Nani will be the stand out attacker if hes fit. United fans were saying get rid of nani in January yet in less than 10 months people think hes gonna be the best attacker on the pitch. Not a chance, as well as nani is playing, hes still not playing as well as Tevez
We're on the same side, as you know...
I was laughing at the fact that Shitty are basically a 2 man team, Hart & Tevez...
Uniteds midfield has never really had a problem with Chelseas though this is the mistake you seem to be making, your assuming because you got the better of Chelsea in that area its a given you'll do the same to us, despite the fact our midfield outplayed a first choice chelsea one at stamford bridge last season quite comfortably, and a 2 man midfield of Scholes and Carrick gave Lampard/Essien/Mikel the run-around at wembley, in fact over the past few years despite what the names on a piece of paper say Uniteds midfield has more often than not had the better of Chelseas.
As for Carrick, he has been in horrible form for 18 months or so, but recently hes been much better and to tell the truth even in shite mode id have him over Gareth Barry, he is just useless.
It's funny how you seem to be blowing smoke up De Jong's arse about all this tackling and domination over Fletcher in the derby games.
Just checked some chalk-boards. De Jong attempted 5 tackles at COMS, only 2 of which were won. Wow, mean machine.
At Old Trafford De Jong made 8 tackles, 6 of which he won. Pretty impressive, but then you look at Fletcher who made 10 tackles, 8 successful.
Fletcher also passed the ball over twice as many times as De Jong, as well as scoring two goals, and being in the side with 58% possession and over 20 shots.
Essentially, the facts don't back up the shite you talk.
City will have to play out of their skins to dominate our midfield. You fall into the trap of vastly under-rating Carrick too. Fair enough, our own fans do it too. He's found some form though. You better pray he's not on form, because if he is, your task will become much more difficult than you imagine it in your head.
Oh ok my apologies.
difference between Carrick and Barry, Carrick is a shit house with no bottle who passes it back to the opposition when under any pressure. The pair of them are as shit as each other but at least Barry has some bottle.
Now I have said Barry is not the best but I think a lot of opposition fans dont see a lot of the work he does nor appreciate it. Its very similar to Fletcher with me. I think hes so over rated its unreal. I just cant see what he does but maybe becasue hes not one of the greeatest midfielders I don't appreciate the work he actually does. I think the same could be attributed to Barry. Either way he would not get in my team if I had choice but Carrick really is still proper shit
feck the stats, I seen it with my own eyes and I know what I seen
Fair enough, personally i don't rate Adebayor at all, especially up against world class centre halfs, id be delighted if he played next week, and as for comparing options well i don't think you'd find many United fans in a hurry to swap him for Hernandez who's about as ideal an option off the bench in such games as you could find, blistering pace and a poachers eye for goal, its a managers dream to have someone like that up your sleeve, plus if all were fit it would be Rooney starting and Berbatov on the bench and he is clearly a superior player to Adebayor so i don't think you've got much going for you in that debate.
As for Nani, the turnaround in his career has been incredible, this time last year many of us wouldn't have been shocked to see him shipped out in January, he wasn't performing and frankly looked lost as well as having rumoured bust ups with Sir alex......he came back against Wolves in January and hasn't looked back, hes racked up phenomenal numbers in terms of goals and assists and in doing so made himself by far the most productive wide man in the calender year of 2010 and Manchester Uniteds best and most consistent attacking player to boot, 33 goals/assist in his last 31 games, can Tevez better that? to compare them is pointless anyway as they play totally different roles but Nani as scored and created more than Tevez this season if you want to go down that road.
Can't wait for this one. Feeling confident.
VDS
Rafael - Rio - Vidic - Evra
Obertan - Fletch - Scholes - Carrick - Park
Berb
VDS
Rafael - Rio - Vidic - Evra
Obertan - Fletch - Scholes - Carrick - Park
Berb
I reckon you underrate us a fair bit, a lot of people do. They don't see how certain player's have developed over the last 18 months and how they can improve further in future.
I'd rather have Hernandez on our bench than the overpaid retards like Adebayor and Balotelli on yours, spreading their dressing room cancer in the process. The fact City signed them two for megabucks and on ridiculous salaries shows just how much their transfer strategy resembles a nail-gun approach, very short-term, needless, and ultimately expensive purchases IMO.
Us keeping faith with Nani and other young player's is something to be applauded rather than used against us when our patience is rewarded with improved performances.
So you're just making up tackling and passing stats that didn't happen.
Because we saw it with our own eyes too, and Fletcher creamed you that day, whether it was tackling, passing or scoring.
That really was domination. 58% possession, out-passed, out-shot, out-scored.
As a comparison, for City to have a similar level of domination on Wednesday it will probably need to be your best ever performance under Mancini.
It could happen but I reckon you'd need to score first and for us to be really under-par. If we score first, I don't think your players are mentally strong enough (or care enough about your club) to turn it around. We'd be more likely to see them fighting amongst themselves or day-dreaming about payday than trying to get you back in the game.
Another factor which should be considered.
to be fair mate I was nani's biggest critic in the past but hes come good recently. The problem is that although hes capable of the sublime hes also capable of the pathetic. As an opposition fan you would look at him and say hes shit after he had just give the ball away for the 6th time or passed to the opposition on the end of their box under no pressure. But as a united fan you will forgive him as he will pull a super piece of skill form no where and pull you out of a hole.
Theres no point comparing stats between Tevez and Nani as like I siad stats can be manipulated to suit what ever need. Tevez though is absolutely unreal. Just look at the amount of match winning performances hes put in, not just for us but a lot of united fans are quiack to forget the amount of times he pulled you out the shit. Hes an absolute class act and we would be fecked without him
are you for real. No other team in the league has probably give the lead away as united have this year and you htink City are not mentally strong?
No offence mate do you actually watch football or just read opta. You don't think City players are mentally strong. City have world cup winners and finalists. European championship winners, treble winners, champions league winners, players who have gone all season without getting beat and you think they will not be mentally strong enough to come back against united even though they did it how many times last season and did they not come from behind twice to beat Chelsea home and away?
To be fair Nanis never someone who's going to get much praise from opposition fans is he, hes now become the pantomime villain outside of United fans, some down to his antics for sure others down to the fact hes producing the goods for a team everyone loves to hate, hes become very much like Ronaldo before him, a bit petulant at times whilst doing wonderful things and of late being fantastically productive and consistent, when Ronaldo was here it took years of world class displays for other fans to even begin to give him some praise and that was begrudging simply because of how despised he was by rival fans whod wirtten him off as a show pony etc much like they did with Nani, i dont think i remember a single city fan willing to admit just how good Ronaldo was while he was with us, he was a hate figure, only since hes gone to Madrid do i see rival fans now accept just how good he is, now this isnt aimed at you so please dont take this wrong im just making a point, its very much the same with Nani.
Nanis the type of player the club hes playing for will love and the rivals will utterly despise, he'll push the boundaries and in some peoples eyes cheat as well as produce magical moments, hence the love hate feelings he will generate, i think even now hes still extremely underrated outside of the club, his numbers are Ronaldo/Messi esk of the last 10 months, outside of those 2 im struggling to fin a player in any position who betters his statistics, hes been phenomenal and consistent which is all you can ask, hes not a Ronaldo yet no ones suggesting that but he is a fantastic player in his own right and another 6 months of the type of form hes produced and youd have to say hes right up there with the best, in his position there are few even now who better his end product.
I think you've got a team of mercenaries, many of whom seem to have little regard for playing for the club, including your best player Tevez. It seems to have escalated somewhat this season. Sure there's some individual talent, but that doesn't translate to a team who play for eachother. Will be interesting to see how they react to going a goal down, with all the stories of disharmony and discontent.
Yes, I watch football you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. Don't get pissy just because I proved you were wrong. If I simply said, no you're wrong, Fletcher dominated midfield, you would have just denied it. So the only way to settle it is to actually back up my point, which is what I did. Whereas your argument was essentially - I didn't see that.
If City don't win this you can all have a good laugh at my expense on wednesday night. I'll make sure I come on and hold my hands up (although i do expect City to win )
)How exactly have you proved me a liar? I said De Jong won every tackle against Fletcher. Please show me where in your stats you proved I was a liar.
No offence mate but you just sound like a bull shit journalist from the sun or some eqaully as poor red top. You got on about mercenaries yet fail to say that united have the biggest mercenary going.
If it was as bad at City as you suggest them how are we 3 points behind you even though we have arguably had the harder start. Thats on top of a load of up heavel where as you have had pretty much a settled and evolving squad over the years
Can I ask you as well did you go to any of the derbies last year?
It could go either way, a result to either side would not come as a surprise to me its the sort of match i dont think you can predict one way or another with any certainty.
It's a derby and yes you are right. It could come down to a sending of or refs decision.
The funny thing is most City fans think Citys squad pisses on Uniteds and vice versa. The reality is probably that theres not much at all between them and its pretty equal. The problem is that no fan likes to admit that their no better than their biggest rivals
How about we all just be friends and agree to a 1-1 draw.
'No offence mate, but blah blah blah.'
Button it bitter. You're talking like a Jeremy Kyle guest. Next you'll be telling me 'at the end of the day....' or 'i aint being funny but...'
All your crap about De Jong dominating midfield and getting the better of Fletcher was shown up as rubbish. If he got the better of him, surely Fletcher wouldn't have seen nearly as much of the ball, never mind getting on the score-sheet (twice) and generally pissing all over your team.
My only point is that you will be doing very well to dominate our midfield on Wednesday, even if everything's hunky dory and all your players love the club, as you obviously believe it is.
How about we all just be friends and agree to a 1-1 draw.
Not after 3 injury time wins for you's last year, it's payback time even though a draw would not be a bad result for either of us. I just hope Mancini does not have that mentality to play for a draw as he has had at times as we will come unstuck against United. For me United are there for the taking and I just hope we do it
Really? Thought you lot would be used to that fact after the last 30 odd years
So I take it your never went to the matches no?
Fletcher got 2 goals from dead ball situations when Bareth Barry was suppose to be picking him up and not De Jong if I remember correctly
What with the button it bitter talk? theres no way you would speak to me like that on the street so why bother on here. We might differing views but not once have I disrespected you or insulted so whats with your attitude??
You need to get your head round the fact that Mancini doesn't play for draws with these drab tactics, he believes it's the best way to win. Sometimes it will come off like against Chelsea, sometimes it'll come back and bite you on the arse like against us in April. Mancini will always set-up his team in a negative fashion in big games, it's just his nature and he seems hard-wired in that typical Italian mentality.
Really? Thought you lot would be used to that fact after the last 30 odd years
used to it yes, accept it in public, not a chance lol. The city team that won at Wembley in div 2 play off final would have pissed uniteds treble team
What does this guy want ffs?
All right, we agree, City have brought a better team than we ever could & they are much better than us. We are going to loose this match & get relegated & all start supporting Shitty instead.
We're all converted, you've won...so you can feck off back to Shittyland now can't you?
All right, we agree, City have brought a better team than we ever could & they are much better than us. We are going to loose this match & get relegated & all start supporting Shitty instead.
We're all converted, you've won...so you can feck off back to Shittyland now can't you?
This is the thing, Mancini never played like that in italy from what I can remember. There will be bigger Italain experts on here than me but I thought Mancini was quite attacking for an Italian manager.
Last season I think he played like that due to him not trusting the players that were there. He obviously does not rate a lot of Hughes players as its them who are being replaced by and large. This season up untill today hes probably not had chance to play he preferred players. Today City set up a lot more attacking than normal and I would expect that to be the case from now on. The problem so far this year is that we have looked very poor when playing 4-4-2 where as have looked a lot better with Tevez up front on his own.
I love how united fans calling City negative when United played with one up front at home to Wolves
You dress your insults up with the pointless disclaimer 'no offence but... do you watch games or just read opta stats.' 'no offence but... you're like a bullshit journalist from a poor paper.'
Just because you give the disclaimer doesn't mean you're any less of a typical bitter cretin. I just don't bother with the pointless disclaimers.
erm to disscuss football. If you want to join in ther fair enough, if not what on earth have I done that justifys you to say feck of back to shitty land? For the redord I am already in Manchester so have no neet to return
You know it's possible to play one up front but still be attacking in approach don't you? Besides, we have a stockpile of forwards sidelined due to injury/illness in case you didn't notice. What do you want us to do? Play Neville up front?
City packing their midfield with three holding midfielders who's strengths are destructive/defensive is what makes you a dour, cynical team, not necessarily the system you use(although in this case that also applies).
You dress your insults up with the pointless disclaimer 'no offence but... do you watch games or just read opta stats.' 'no offence but... you're like a bullshit journalist from a poor paper.'
Just because you give the disclaimer doesn't mean you're any less of a typical bitter cretin. I just don't bother with the pointless disclaimers.
I can't help the way I speak mate or my mannerisms. Theres certainly no malice in what I say and I don't wish you to take any offence.
as for the bitter cretin, I maybe a cretin but I am certainly not bitter in anyway
---------------Vds------------
Rafael-----Rio-----Vidic-----Evra
Nani--Carrick--Scholes--Fletch--Park
------------Berbatov-----------
Rafael-----Rio-----Vidic-----Evra
Nani--Carrick--Scholes--Fletch--Park
------------Berbatov-----------
To be fair thoug mate theres been times City have had Adebayor and Balotelli injured so could only play Tevez as Jo and Santa Cruz really are shit. Your wrong about yaya mate, hes not been negative one bit but you probably don't watch City as much as I do. If you believe what the papaers say then City play 3 holding negative midfielders but its really not been like that in the middle. I agreee with you though if Milner was to play instead of Balotelli then your left with only Tevez and Silva as the only real creative players and thats not enough
Maybe it's just me but I put 'no offence but...' in the same bracket as 'I'm not a racist but...'
Usually something overtly offensive or racist follows both respectively. So don't be surprised if you take a bit of return fire from someone who pays no attention to such disclaimers.
Having every other striker injured or ill had something to do with that i think.
I dont mind you i think its good to have city fans or any rival fans for that matter on here if they're willing to discuss the topics in a respectful manner considering this is a United forum, but don't start talking shit about things when its obvious why they happened, you know as well as anyone we wouldn't have played with 1 up top if we had our full compliment of strikers available.
Adebayor being fit wouldn't matter one iota, he's 3rd in line behind Tevez and Balotelli. As for Dumber than Dumb himself, I reckon if he was a starter, he'd be played out wide, a role he played for Inter many a time and which would allow Mancini's cautious approach to continue.
Like I said earlier, Yaya might be more attacking than Barry or De Jong, but his main strengths are defensive rather than creative.
This is the thing, Mancini never played like that in italy from what I can remember. There will be bigger Italain experts on here than me but I thought Mancini was quite attacking for an Italian manager.
Last season I think he played like that due to him not trusting the players that were there. He obviously does not rate a lot of Hughes players as its them who are being replaced by and large. This season up untill today hes probably not had chance to play he preferred players. Today City set up a lot more attacking than normal and I would expect that to be the case from now on. The problem so far this year is that we have looked very poor when playing 4-4-2 where as have looked a lot better with Tevez up front on his own.
I love how united fans calling City negative when United played with one up front at home to Wolves[/QUOTE]
Yes ofcourse if only we could have played our injured/ill trio of Berba, Rooney and Owen.
I'm sure City would have splashed out 200m on a striker if 3 strikers got injured but unfortunately when 3 out of our 4 strikers get injured we have no option but to play the only 1 remaining.
This is the thing, Mancini never played like that in italy from what I can remember. There will be bigger Italain experts on here than me but I thought Mancini was quite attacking for an Italian manager.
Last season I think he played like that due to him not trusting the players that were there. He obviously does not rate a lot of Hughes players as its them who are being replaced by and large. This season up untill today hes probably not had chance to play he preferred players. Today City set up a lot more attacking than normal and I would expect that to be the case from now on. The problem so far this year is that we have looked very poor when playing 4-4-2 where as have looked a lot better with Tevez up front on his own.
I love how united fans calling City negative when United played with one up front at home to Wolves[/QUOTE]
Yes ofcourse if only we could have played our injured/ill trio of Berba, Rooney and Owen.
I'm sure City would have splashed out 200m on a striker if 3 strikers got injured but unfortunately when 3 out of our 4 strikers get injured we have no option but to play the only 1 remaining.
Sorry, I know this isn't particularly relevant, and that one up front doesn't mean you're negative, but didn't you have Macheda on the bench yesterday? Could he not have played up with Hernandez?