Even the discount criminals in naive and jolly Norway carry guns and can get them easily, how can you ever stop the ones in the US from getting them?
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Even the discount criminals in naive and jolly Norway carry guns and can get them easily, how can you ever stop the ones in the US from getting them?
I disagree with a lot of what he's saying, but I do think it's probably unreasonable for many of on this side of the pond to definitively say we wouldn't have guns if we were living in America and had always done so.
It's not as if Americans are biologically tuned or programmed to own weapons; the fact that many more not only do, but want to than in places like the UK, is probably more a cultural thing than a genuine desire to own weapons. Ideally we'll see that reversing over time, but they're definitely operating in a very different culture to us.
Maybe I'm pessimistic... But I don't see how are you going to make people who do not respect the law respect the law.
Then thats a failure of Norwegian gun control and irrelevant to the debate on the general principle.
Good post.
Being tooled up doesn't give you the right to write posts like poetry.
Clinical stuff there.
It's a complex discussion. I think there is more to it in the US than just the availability of guns. There seem to be a lot of nutters there, which isn't odd at all because the US has a population of roughly 300 million.
Bullshit, you said that banning rapes etc. hadn't eradicated the crime so it was pointless banning guns as they would still be around. The point of laws isn't to eradicate something, it's to make unacceptable behaviours punishable for the benefit of society overall. Banning guns would be beneficial overall.
I think European's understand that's how it is. The bit that is hard to get is why a right that was entirely suitable for 1791 is not just changed via a new amendment to bring it into line with what is sensible in the 21st century. Amendments have been successful in removing other rights that became outdated, like slavery, so it seems strange that this one is still in place.
Is a rapist mentally ill?
Sometimes hard not to on the phone!This is very true.
According to DSM 5, rape is not a mental disorder.
I would venture to say that they've definitely got something amiss upstairs, however.
But another instance where "gun control" leaves the law abiding unarmed and the law breaking armed.
Many gun owners like to boast that it is part of their DNA and makes them special from other countries though. Frontier spirit and all that shite.
Is that going to be Q1 on the application form then?
Is a crime of passion a temporary insanity?
I don't think it's necessary having a gun but the thought of owning a big arse gun is a bit exciting. I think i watch too many movies and play too much Call of Duty.
Does the relatively easier availability of guns in the US push guys like Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech), Adam Lanza, Omar Mateen etc over the edge in their decision-making? What if guns weren't as easily available? Would they just keep their frustrations inside knowing they'd have a hard time getting a hold on guns?
Yeah, they'll say that, but it's mostly a load of shite. I don't think that someone being born in America makes them more biologically determined to own guns. The culture seems much more prevalent; the fear of not being able to defend yourself without one, the way they're often portrayed as cool in the media, and pride in the 2nd amendment.
According to you.
But as we've seen in this thread, despite European countries banning guns, criminals still have them, while law abiding people do not.
You will probably disagree with me, but I do not find that beneficial to all.
Oh it's fun alright. I used to call mine the boomstick.
Do you have children? Where do you keep your gun? Do you ever worry about someone else - albeit a child, friend, relative, - getting hold of the gun?
I dont understand how it's in anyway sensible to keep a gun.
Is your gun kept in a safe? If so, how are you ever going to get to it if you need it.
If it's not in a safe, then you can't guarantee that at some point, someone else is going to have access to it. Can you?
People needs guns in the US because they created a society around them, the governement gained his power because firearms were popular. Europe is a totally different story the nations were tightly controlled way before the existence of modern firearms.
Another senseless act 
Wrong again. You don't seem to understand that gun bans don't mean that all guns are banned. The UK has over 3 million legally-held firearms.
I also think it is a case of thinking "well feck it, everyone else owns and carries one, so why shouldn't I? Not owning one will leave me vulnerable."
Believe me, the application form for purchasing a gun is silly, but the method required to purchase a firearm can be changed.
The simple facts are this happened in the UK and Australia and they both banned guns. Neither country has seen it happen since then. Coincidence? I think not. I appreciate the USA and their situation is very different, and the 2nd amendment and the constant misinterpretation of it doesn't help, nor do the NRA who in my mind are a criminal organisation that prey on peoples fears. But, the plain fact is that there is no need to own a fecking assault rifle or many of the military grade weapons you can buy in the United States, and not only buy them, but in supermarkets like Wal-Mart in plain view for all to see.
Polls show that the vast majority of American citizens want a change to the laws, and in time, with proper education, proper regulation, and gun amnesty, I have no doubt that this problem could be solved. However that is never going to happen all the time guns are glamorised by so many people and you even have morons like (at the time, Presidential Candidate) Ted Cruz saying he went out on Christmas Eve to buy a gun so if ISIS came to town he could defend his family. He's also the same moron who cooked bacon on his assault rifles barrel. Couple all that with extremely poor mental health treatment and a huge drug trade and you have a recipe for disaster, and in truth America at times, looks and behaves more like somewhere in the Middle East.
Everyone needs to get on the same page, and until the money comes out of politics that is never going to happen. The will is there with the people, unfortunately money talks, and too many people are getting paid to promote and keep gun laws as they are, when that stops, then and only then can you start to make a change.
Polls show that the vast majority of American citizens want a change to the laws, and in time, with proper education, proper regulation, and gun amnesty, I have no doubt that this problem could be solved. However that is never going to happen all the time guns are glamorised by so many people and you even have morons like (at the time, Presidential Candidate) Ted Cruz saying he went out on Christmas Eve to buy a gun so if ISIS came to town he could defend his family. He's also the same moron who cooked bacon on his assault rifles barrel. Couple all that with extremely poor mental health treatment and a huge drug trade and you have a recipe for disaster, and in truth America at times, looks and behaves more like somewhere in the Middle East.
Everyone needs to get on the same page, and until the money comes out of politics that is never going to happen. The will is there with the people, unfortunately money talks, and too many people are getting paid to promote and keep gun laws as they are, when that stops, then and only then can you start to make a change.
Yeah, social acceptance undoubtedly plays a big part as well. If one of my mates in Scotland told me they owned a gun, then they'd be the only person I know to do so. I'd suspect that it's different in the US, where owning a gun is like, say, smoking, or liking a particular popular band or TV show...not something that everyone does, but which is quite common and widespread.
3 million out of how many law abiding people? As someone in this thread brought up before, many European gun laws require you to prove a "need" to have or carry a gun.
I "need" one because criminals illegally possess them. Fair enough?
Haven spoken to many gun owners, I don't think self defense is the reason. Many say they have guns because it's part of what it means to be American, a symbol of their freedom, part of the culture. I really don't think a lot of gun owners feel unsafe.
So just a slightly more rigorous vetting process I guess. I completely agree that someone must have mental issues to do a mass shooting- the ease of access to guns makes these terrible incidents far more likely though.
Must say you've been incredibly calm and considered given the provocation you've had.
Is it not illegal for a civilian in UK to carry a gun for personal protection?
Yeah, I'd agree that the "cultural" aspect is undoubtedly massive. There's still probably an undercurrent of fear there, too, though...and while I obviously know nothing of the people you've spoken to, fear could be a factor potentially, even if a more unspoken one.
No, you think you need one because you've been brainwashed. If you actually assess the probability and look at the statistics then your 'need' is unfounded.
How easy is it to get a gun in the US, like really? From reading some of the posts here it seems like you can decide to buy one in a hissy-fit on sunday, and have it by monday.
Exactly right!
Also the stupidity of the 2nd amendment in the modern world is hilarious. Can you imagine the people defending themselves against drones and F22 Raptor strikes?