I think we need both a winger and a striker (to go with a CM). It would take Neymar as much time to gel as it did Ronaldo.
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I think we need both a winger and a striker (to go with a CM). It would take Neymar as much time to gel as it did Ronaldo.
Just read the deal has been completed Neymar is a Barca player.
Robinho mk II.
At the moment I feel there is a chance he may be. He isn't the sure thing people are saying imo.
Santos have said on their Twitter handle that they've accepted TWO offers for Neymar and he's free to choose which club he wants. Barca and...Madrid? Or Bayern?
Glad he's finally making the move to Europe. Get to see what he's all about now.
Messi and Neymar together, as good as that sounds, Messi's ego will be in the way.
Not entirely sure it is as done as some on twitter are making out. Appears the two bids are from Real and Barca.
What price has he went for?
The rumours, not definitely true, say one bid of 28 million and one of 35 million. Although I imagine reports contradict each other,
That seems too low for Neymar.
I think so too. It could be reflective of the fact that out of all the recent big money moves from Brazil, he actually represents the highest risk. There is no guarentee he will do as well against better defences.
Not as ridiculous as the prices I was imagining.
That's a good price imo. The prices I was hearing were ridiculous.
Real are offering 4 million more per season but he still wants Barca.
Neymar's football brainlessness is the problem - nothing to do with Messi.
Do you watch a lot of him Peter? What's your opinion on him?
He was class in that YouTube game I saw.
I've watched more than ten games on the Telly featuring Neymar, and he has never really impressed. Sure, he's got some skills and is quick, but he reminds me more of Nani than Messi. If Barca blows their summer budget on him instead of getting two world class defenders, they will probably get clobbered by Bayern again.
If PeterStorey doesnt rate him then thats a very clear indication he is actually a class player.
meh.
Bad hair, poor attitude, flops a lot, more style than substance.
Bad hair, poor attitude, flops a lot, more style than substance.
Young Cristiano Ronaldo likes this.
His contract runs out in 2014, so that would explain the less than expected transfer fee.
I have seen him mainly in International matches and he hasn't impressed me very much. He might enjoy playing with the Barcelona midge's but I doubt he would turn out to be an extraordinary player.
His antics and diving will fit hand in glove with the them though.
The 28m/35m to Santos is for 55% of his contract - there are other people to pay as well (at the same rate).
Barca already had a first option arrangement with Neymar - it's thought they paid 20m for that, and that they get 40m compensation if he goes elsewhere. One of the Santos directors just called it a "gentleman's agreement" though, so maybe there's no compensation clause
Of course if there is compensation and he ends up with Madrid that's Barcelona's transfer budget for the summer, without any sales, up to 100m. The higher wages quoted for Madrid are part of a different image rights package.
Neymar has just said that he's honoured, and he's going to think carefully about it - sit and talk with his family and that it could take "minutes or days"
Barca already had a first option arrangement with Neymar - it's thought they paid 20m for that, and that they get 40m compensation if he goes elsewhere. One of the Santos directors just called it a "gentleman's agreement" though, so maybe there's no compensation clause
Of course if there is compensation and he ends up with Madrid that's Barcelona's transfer budget for the summer, without any sales, up to 100m. The higher wages quoted for Madrid are part of a different image rights package.
Neymar has just said that he's honoured, and he's going to think carefully about it - sit and talk with his family and that it could take "minutes or days"
Let Barca have him. They may need to sell Thiago to fund the transfer, hopefully.
Barca tend to take the "flair" out of certain players with their tiki-taka. Perhaps they'll mold neymar into a different player and I doubt he'll be as good as people expect him to be. I would be a lot more worried if Barca got players like Kagawa who actually fit into their system rather than trying to buy the most rated players and convert them into their style
Rivaldo, Romario, Ronaldo, Maradona, Cruyff, Laudrup, Stoichkov, Figo, Alves and Deco would disagree. You'd be hard pressed to actually make a list of flair players who were indeed neutered at the club
Not really, he has less than a year on his contract and would be open to negotiate a transfer as early as January and considering a proven player like RVP went for similar in a similar contract situation suggests it's still a lot to pay, IMO. Moura, by comparison, at 19, went for far more on a contract that still saw 3 years remaining with São Paulo
The 28m/35m to Santos is for 55% of his contract - there are other people to pay as well (at the same rate).
Barca already had a first option arrangement with Neymar - it's thought they paid 20m for that, and that they get 40m compensation if he goes elsewhere. One of the Santos directors just called it a "gentleman's agreement" though, so maybe there's no compensation clause
Of course if there is compensation and he ends up with Madrid that's Barcelona's transfer budget for the summer, without any sales, up to 100m. The higher wages quoted for Madrid are part of a different image rights package.
Neymar has just said that he's honoured, and he's going to think carefully about it - sit and talk with his family and that it could take "minutes or days"
If thats the case the money involved is ridiculous
Glad United are nowhere near the deal.
If that's roughly €30m for 55% then the transfer will cost around €55-€60m, which is closer to what's been reported. There'd have been a lot more clubs interested at €30m, that's for sure.
Could turn into another flop or could be exactly the spark which Barca need - if he chooses them. This is going to be one hell of a transfer window
Could turn into another flop or could be exactly the spark which Barca need - if he chooses them. This is going to be one hell of a transfer window
Or Cesc. I don't mind either.
It's hard to know the true story with the money - like for example, if the 20m up front forms part of the 50m currently in the deal. Some of the press are talking Euros others are talking Dollars, it all muddies the water.
What I will say is the whole business of third party ownership, even down to his dad "owning" 10% of him, is offputting in itself.
So how is the bidding war being received?
For Barcelona - Cruyff says you can't have two chiefs on one ship and that he thought the club had learned that lesson years ago. Barca fans are generally more enthusiastic.
Madrid fans on the other hand are not. Here's today's Marca poll
http://www.marca.com/debate/2013/05/3543/pinta-votaciones3543.html
Bale tops the forwards list. Neymar manages to beat Suarez. Probably partly a reflection of the fact Neymar is still expected to go to Barca - "we didn't want him anyway" syndrome - but also the Robinho factor.
Cruyff may end up being right, he usually is when it comes to Barcelona matters, IMO
He certainly is and I will be worried for Barcelona if this is the card they go all in on. Just feels like they should get an incredible provider for Messi on both sides for 35 millx2 rather than paying the same for Neymar.
They don't need another genius, just someone who can consistently get past his opponents with ease and put in a good cross for Messi. Currently teams just defend extremely compact against Barcelona and they can't use the space on the wings. If they just get 2 wingers who can use that space, then teams will have to choose either to give Messi space, or the wingers.
With Neymar there it seems like the same compact defending will still work, even though they add individual talent. Very odd, perfect signing for Real Madrid however instead of Di Maria.
I dunno personally. It doesn't always work out. When we signed Veron, it should have been amazing but it just introduced problems. No matter who they sign, it's still about Messi. No one else baring Ronaldo is going to do what he's done. Neymar will add to the mix but usually these things come at a cost. I think Barcas biggest issue was losing their coach.
At the minute, I tend to think it's overkill but we'll see how they adapt. They might need to introduce a two ball system in Spain
At the minute, I tend to think it's overkill but we'll see how they adapt. They might need to introduce a two ball system in Spain
First & foremost, I feel it's a signing more for than just football. An area of the club that is inferior to that of United or RM is marketing and Rosell is sure to close that gap - Neymar will usher that change in, I imagine.
Neymar will play on that left wing but interchange comfortably anywhere in the trident, plus have the confidence & composure to score. I think he's adept at beating his man whether there's space or not. He'll have to work on his workrate tracking back & his strength as defenders are sure to bully him.
Only area I'd be really concerned is what sort of circus does he bring with him and how much will it unsettle the club when things aren't going as he hoped - echoing Cruyff's concerns.
Wow I was quite shocked by that to be honest. Bale would probably be my pick of that list but to see the Spanish fans rate him so highly says a lot.
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