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He's going to be a bit special isn't he? He's a twat, but what a talent. I think he has the self belief to make it there too.
It's going to be hilarious trying to see them keep both him and Messi happy. I guarantee it won't happen.
Another cheat in the already huge collection at Barcelona.
I think it will, because Messi has finally recognised that he alone can't lead to success and that boy loves winning football matches. In addition to this, he has actually given blessing to this signing and has spoken fondly of Neymar.
The fact he as a player feels he needs to give the player a "blessing" says it all.
Two huge stars. Two huge egos. Both used to being the centre of attention at their club. One Argentinian, one Brazilian. Both are used to being allowed to do feck all defensively.
One is going to feel "neglected" in a year or two.
Neymar doesn't play very wide even when he plays on the wing, he only drifts wide at certain occasions. I don't think he will accept that Messi is the one who will score the majority of the goals and Messi certainly won't allow anybody taking his stats from him either. It will be quite a show between two egos. I did not question Neymars ability to dribble without space, but rather why Barcelona would want to give a "compact defense" yet another advantage. If anything they should look for wingers who stretches the defense and punishes the opponents whenever they focus too much on Messi. Now they can still defend in a compact way as Neymar will also be very central.
Also Neymar is not that much of a marketable player for that price considering Messi is from South America so they are already the most popular club there.
It should be noted that I think Neymar is outstanding and won't be bad for Barcelona, but for the money we are talking about he is not as valuable for Barcelona as for Real Madrid(Or almost all other clubs).
To be fair Messi isn't just any player, keeping him happy is essential to Barca's recent success but they've taken it a tad too far by making the side completely revolve around him scoring goals.
There are plenty of successful teams in the past that had quite a few ego's in the side, Rooney and Ronaldo in our sides one such example. This Barca team needs a little more ego in the side... they're too subservient to Messi, in stark contrast to the 08/09 vintage which had 3 forwards all pretty strong characters... Messi, Henry and Eto'o.. all of whom brought into the pressing philosophy and distributed the goals.
If you ask me, if they signed someone like Aguero/Lewandowski and pushed Messi out to the right, they'd be more successful in games against very tight defences.
Also the fact that they are going to be part of a trio is a worrying fact. If they were a forward duo I would be amazed with the signing for Barcelona if they get him. But now he is signed as a side-kick for Messi, a role i doubt he will enjoy
Anyone know the legality of the supposed agreement between barca? Surely if Neymar decides he wants to go to another team then there is nothing they can do. I imagine the agreement was just that an offer would be accepted, not that the player would go.
Neymar needs to get Barcelona out his system and then he cane come to United...
Definitely disagree, he mostly plays wide left for both club & country - he drifts into center and will even end up on the right a lot but left is his bread & butter. Which actually plays right into what Barcelona want out of a left sided forward - no one has done it very well before because either they were central forwards asked to play left or wingers who weren't accustomed to scoring or moving around in that trident. That's one of the few compelling reasons why I actually think Neymar could work at Barcelona
When you look at marketing and revenue generators, Neymar (Who admittingly has done feck all yet) is right there at the top along with Becks, CR & Leo. With a WC on the way, no one, not even Leo, will get hyped as much as he will with Brasil being the host country. And for all of Leo's greatness, he is a low key personality who shuns the limelight whereas the peacock is drawn to it like a moth to a flame - that normally makes you more marketable
We'll see but when I see Moura going for €45 million, I feel better about the money being talked about for Neymar. Whether he succeeds or not will be dependent on many variables, I still maintain he's coming a year too late but it is what it is
Absolutely. It's quite normal to keep the world's best player in the loop of major signings, not sure why anyone would find that odd. Plus, Messi is a team player who loves to play & win. Neymar has repeatedly talked glowingly of Leo and I doubt very much he will show disrespect to the player - in fact, nothing can be proven that Neymar hasn't been anything but an exemplary teammate with similar talent around him (Especially with the NT). One of his best friends is Alves and that will go a long ways in making that transition smoother too I bet.
And I concur, they need a star to couple with Messi as Dani pointed out recently to take the pressure off - someone who can deliver and demand considerable attention. I honestly thought Alexis would be that player although I knew he wasn't truly the goalscorer that Neymar clearly is
Rivaldo, Romario, Ronaldo, Maradona, Cruyff, Laudrup, Stoichkov, Figo, Alves and Deco would disagree. You'd be hard pressed to actually make a list of flair players who were indeed neutered at the club
Meh, they are a completely different team, now. Yes, Barcelona used to be THE flair team, not now, now they are a finely tuned machine, specifically designed in such a way as to have 10 cogs, all working in tandem to help turn one very special little wheel. Without that wheel, the machine has been seen to be not very good.
Maybe Neymar will change that. Maybe having a player with massive amounts of flair to match his talent and you know, an actual personality, might help them become a better team to watch.
I agree players don't take on their man much at Barca bar Messi and Iniesta. Sanchez seems like he wants to he is almost fighting instinct. It is about playing the smart pass and being economical with the ball. I think you need that ability to be able to dribble in very tight spaces few have it. Neymar as far as I know likes to do tricks? We will see but there is risk with him. Especially when he was clearly too good for Brazil everything came to him easily Europe will be a step up I agree with FCBarca he should have come a year ago he is risking going into a world cup in a season where he is adjusting for his club. He's not the kind of player Barca really need they need players who will help to get the most out of Messi and the system which they use I don't think Neymar does that.
Fair point Rijkaard teams and all the teams FCBarca listed where less rigid in regards to tiki-taka players had ,ore freedom this Barca team is less so. He should provide something different or they might try and make him play their way.
I think this 'flair' player not fitting in at Barca is a myth, yes the current side perhaps wasn't geared towards incorporating a flair player but that what .. represents only the past 3 years of Barca's history? they're reknowned for possessing flair players throughout their history.
Sanchez didn't fit in because he is more of an explosive player, very direct... he'd suit an english club, and also because he arguably joined the club at the wrong time. Either way I don't think Neymar should be compared to Sanchez as Neymar plays to a more brazillian tempo, slow slow fast (playful, caressing the ball and then going for the spectacular when he sees an opening). He'd be happy to join in with the tiki-taka and then pick it up when he needs to... Sanchez can only play at one speed and that is why he's looked uncomfortable in this barca outfit.
Not saying Neymar is a guaranteed success, far from it but he's a better bet than Sanchez,
Sanchez didn't fit in because he is more of an explosive player, very direct... he'd suit an english club, and also because he arguably joined the club at the wrong time. Either way I don't think Neymar should be compared to Sanchez as Neymar plays to a more brazillian tempo, slow slow fast (playful, caressing the ball and then going for the spectacular when he sees an opening). He'd be happy to join in with the tiki-taka and then pick it up when he needs to... Sanchez can only play at one speed and that is why he's looked uncomfortable in this barca outfit.
Not saying Neymar is a guaranteed success, far from it but he's a better bet than Sanchez,
Basically you are describing what I did, an inside forward who wants to get on the score sheet. A wide player who does not enjoy staying put, a player who will want to use the same space as Messi.
Neymar is one of the best players out there of course he will have a good marketing ability as well. But he is not particularly marketable considering his price if you already have the south american market in the coffin. If Messi was from Africa, then Neymar would be a huge success economically due to the market expansion. Most teams would benefit from Neymars popularity in south America, especially Real Madrid as they are far from capable of competing with Messi's popularity down there.
This point I agree with, Neymar for 60-70~mill is a solid purchase. I doubt he will be bad in any club he joins and for most clubs he is an icon who will help your south american market greatly. Hard to say Neymar for that money is a bad purchase when an old Ibrahimovic cost the same or perhaps more.
Agreed, neymar is a much better player in possession and with short passes.
Current side lets say have been together for 5 years and they have never had such a successful 5 year period in their history this is not an average side we are talking about. This is their model going forward. No matter what happens the main issues of this Barca side has to be to improve their defence imo it is just too easy to score against them. That may start at the front with them pressing more but currently it is not good enough. They need better defenders aswell not playing midfielders in defence they are so focused on having players who can pass out of defence that they forget their defenders need to be able to defend.
Of course they have flair we are talking about the specific way in which Neymar plays that doesn't fit in with the system. They don't need to radical a change they reached the semi's of the champions league and are league champions. It is still about getting the most out of Messi for them. On the wings they need players like Pedro the fact he has not been up to his standards of the first two years has been part of their problem he gave them 20 goals will doing the hardwork in both directions and fitting into the team concept. Villa never really fit in.
With Barca what I have realised it is hard for attackers to go there and fit in. Few have gone there and been as good as expected it is hard to keep up with the way Xavi, Iniesta and Messi play and pass the ball Neymar will definitely need to adjust they are the hardest team to play for especially as an attacker. Vilanova will be tested now he has two 'ego's' they have brought Neymar to take the weight of Messi which means less goals for Messi lets see how it goes because the rest of Barca play for him. Neymar is used to having a free license to do what he wants on the pitch in Europe and at Barca the game is more tactical.
They don't need players to get the best out of Messi because thats what they currently have and is the reason they are looking to make new signings. They need someone who may also need to be double marked, easing the amount of defenders of Messi, thus making him not have to drop so deep. They need someone who can actually beat a man down the wing, so they aren't as predictable and they need someone who can score from wide and then step up to be the centre forward if Messi is injured again. Neymar can do all of these things potentially.
I think what Barca also need is someone like Bale, in terms of his shooting ability. You just never see Barca score from 25 yards really. They could have so many different weapons if they get more players capable of hitting screamers that defenders would need to step out and would leave gaps in behind.
Problem with Neymar is he's short. Another short sttriker for God's sake !! plus many of the concerns previously mentioned.
But since when did Messi have an ego ??
But since when did Messi have an ego ??
No they have players who rely on Messi. Pedro and Villa having less than 20 goals between them does not help him they are not a threat which teams want to account for plus they are not working as hard off the ball that was the key to Barca. They need a player like Pedro two years ago we will see what Neymar does for me he is a project he won't come in and be world class straight away. They have dropped a level because the forward players are not pressing as much so teams are getting through them to easily and attacking a poor defence. This will be an adjustment year for Neymar physically he doesn't look ready imo.
Bale wouldn't be able to play at Barca in all honesty if all he is goig to offer is screamers that isn't enough.
You think the best player possibly ever, who has what some people describe as the best team possibly ever playing in a system designed completely around him doesn't have an ego and wouldn't feel put out by having his countries arch rival star player come in and take some of that limelight?
Alternatively you don't think Neymar could be put out by coming from a similar situation into a situation where he isn't the main man and things aren't all going to be set up for him?
Yes, in that unofficial Pep biography, written by Ballague, without interviewing Pep
On the flip side - it should be obvious Messi has a ego. Possibly the best ever, I'd say a ego/confidence in your ability is needed to reach that level. Question is whether or not that ego makes you believe Messi > Barca...then you have a problem!
Having seen what's happened with Sanchez, I struggle to believe Neymar will reach the heights he should at Barcelona.
But if he goes there and it happens, okay. I'm personally not convinced a player like Neymar would work in their system unless they tweak it, especially with Messi being the figure. But using the example of Sanchez, can I see an adaptation of the 'make messi a god' system...no.
But if he goes there and it happens, okay. I'm personally not convinced a player like Neymar would work in their system unless they tweak it, especially with Messi being the figure. But using the example of Sanchez, can I see an adaptation of the 'make messi a god' system...no.
Same here.
He does his best work in space something which you are not afforded at Barca he will have to adjust and so will they just sticking Neymar in the current system won't work. We will see how good Vilanova is Messi hopefully shouldn't be a problem.
He's signed FOR Barca. Not for every team that play against Barca.
I think he means space to run at and into. Barca spend most matches camped around the opposition's penalty area, which doesn't suit Neymar as we have seen him so far. At Santos his pace is central to his game. He pulls nervous full-backs deep when he drops off, allowing him to beat them and then have room to run at the CBs. That's not an approach which will work at Barca unless we see changes in their system.
That said, there's no reason to believe that Neymar can only play one way. He's got the brain and passing ability for more patient tiki-taka.
I have seen Neymar twice for Brazil and he was poor - not buying into the hype but it will be interesting to see what he can do for Barcelona with players like Messi, Iniesta, Xavi.
Most would agree that he's great running in space but I wouldn't agree that a great dribbler like that will struggle in tight spaces against packed defenses
Messi definitely needs someone to take the pressure off of scoring, pressure he'd never readily acknowledge exists. Two speedsters who like to score in Tello & Deulofeu will platoon with Neymar, Sanchez & Pedro
Will be interesting to see if he presses the opposition if he has signed for you, From what I've seen he's never been one to track back and press. Considering Barca's main gameplan is keep possession and when you don't have it press hard till you get it back, I just can't see him doing that.
That comes down to management just as much as the player. Robben at Bayern has finally bought into the pressing down and busting a gut to get the ball back.
Basically this.
Confirmed?
How good is Deulofeu I know he has been scoring for fun in the Segunda. I still think the Pedro you had his first two years in the team would be the best if Pedro could get back to that level that would help 20 goals a season and a high workrate no ego he knows how to play the one two's with Messi and he knows how to find space. When players come in tactically they can't keep up.
I don't see the signing of Neymar as one Barca desperately needs but like you said their are most likely commercial reasons. He has the talent to do well will be interesting to see how good he actually is.
I've rarely seen much of it from him myself, I agree. Although against Corinthians, he was actually showing tremendous workrate, including tracking back to win balls.
That is the question though, how hard will he work? I said this probably last year but it was always fairly inevitable he was coming and almost as certain is that he will struggle in his first season. There will be ups & downs as he adjusts to everything. Does he have the character & drive to not only do well but thrive & reach the potential he's been hyped for?
We'll see, if nothing else, some new excitement to look forward to
No. Barcelona and Real Madrid both have offers accepted. Neymar's now gone home to think about it.
The assumption is that he'll stick with Barca, and there may well be a pre-contract in place to try and enforce that. But nothing's official yet.
For a player with his kind of talent not only does he have to work hard, the club and its coaches MUST find a way to adjust a system to get the best out of him too. With Messi around, on a neutral level I fear Neymar may get overshadowed and not fulfill his incredible potential.
It may go either way though. As a fan of a club looking to make moves in Europe, I have to say it'd please me to see it not go brilliantly because Neymar reaching his potential alongside the best player in the world/best player ever, frightening.
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