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Their conventional artillery (behind miles of landmines) would destroy Seoul in about half an hour And nuking said artillery would put Seoul in the nuclear fall out zone
Go square that circle
From what I've read the idea that North Korea is able to destroy/flatten Seoul with the conventional artillery is largely over the top. Point still stands though as they'd still do massive damage and the death toll would be immense, not to mention that they obviously might add non-conventional weapons.
What would he gain from firing at Seoul. Nothing really except a large flurry of powerful and specifically targeted missiles destroying various points in NK. That's providing of course that no-one noticed he was prepsring to attack SK, which as we both know is extremely unlikely. I'm sure the US have pinpointed as targets most of his launch sites anyway, but if he can't get his big boys firing properly he's impotent really.
The artillery aimed at Seoul is his main defense against interference in NK, far more than his possible nukes. There are apparently thousands of artillery pieces well dug in and hidden. Even if the US could identify them, the idea that they could destroy them before they had time to fire is pretty fantastical. It all ties into their main strategy which is highly defensive not offensive. They want to maintain the capability to threaten mass devastation if they are threatened. There's a fairly strong likelihood that those artillery weapons are also capable of firing chemical shells. If they ever fire then NK is done for, so there's really no reason for the regime to not make the threat as powerful as possible.
Never heard that any links?
Some retired general said some of the artillery are on wheels but US and SK would be able to completely destroy the artillery with some serious damage to Seoul but the real problem are the 1.2 million of NK soldiers attacking SK ... again they would be defeated but at high cost because they would kill any civilian they see. Right now with have 2 options .. China and China (was a third option but that involves nuclear weapons). Why SK won't move the capital far from the NK border?
Not sure about NK missiles.
India is not a small country and Pakistan got their nuclear shit from China
Because its the 4th largest metropolitan area on earth, and something like 24m people in and around it? Not to mention its been the Korean capital for a couple of thousand years.
Good reading about NK
https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/how-north-korea-would-retaliate
https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/how-north-korea-would-retaliate
Well there's that
I think ground troops are an unknown entity. Many are likely to have family on the other side of the border.
No conventional altilerry are capable of fully destructing a large amass of land.
London survived tons of bombs dropped from the skies in ww2.
Catastrophical perhaps, but south korea will have their own means to deal with conventional war machines (air to land fighter jet?)
We are not talking about destroying a mass of land we are talking the destruction of a city, which means the buildings, infrastructure.
Plenty of cities during WW2 were largely destroyed by battles, air bombings, it doesn't take much googling to find them.
I am not saying North Korea could destroy Seoul but you can't discount that these things can happen.
Seoul sustained a huge amount of destruction in the first Korean war.
Its common knowledge in the academic communities
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/us-releases-archives-of-desert-nuclear-tests/8359194
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-tests-1950s--trenches-protect-radiation.html
There are plenty of books available from reliable academic sources too. I have a couple on the bookshelf at home, I'll fish it out later and send you the info.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_United_States
Less so than in the 1950's when the North launched the first Korean war. While many will have relatives they will not be ones they have ever met or even know by name.
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Yeah. Very complicated situation for sure. I know quite a few from the south. They seem to be very open to unity even at personal expense. I just don't know how that message gets conveyed to ground troops from the north quickly and effectively. Those pushing buttons to launch are likely not going to stop either way. Hopefully this never comes to fruition.
No I'm not confused, probably just have an opinion that you don't like, or don't want to hear, that's all.
The series of events that led up to the Korean conflict...
US drops Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing between 90,000 and 146,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000 to 80,000 in Nagasaki. Japan surrenders, WWII ends.
Allied forces carve up Japanese Empire and create North and South Korea.
North Korea (Communist) invades South Korea (Capitalist) with the backing of China and using Russian weapons in an attempt to unite Korea under a single political system, something which South Korea had also wished to do (unite, not invade, however, if given more time I'm sure that would have been eventually suggested by the Americans). Essentially a civil war.
Harry S. Truman starts a war with a noun (communism), something that the Americans would do several times throughout the 20th Century (Drugs, Crime, Terrorism). Harry S. Truman is incidentally the man who started the C.I.A.
General Douglas MacArthur leads an assault on South Korea to attack the communists and drive them out of what is essentially an imperialist outpost for the Americans in a largely Communist part of the world, by first Napalming and then inserting marines via beach landings (the largest since D. Day).
Total death toll:
US figures from US Dept. of Defence:
U.S. Deaths:
Hostile: 33,739
Non-Hostile: 2,835
Total In-Theatre: 36,574
U.S. Wounded in Action - 103,284
Other Countries figures from Encyclopedia Britannia:
South Korea - (217,000 military, 1,000,000 civilian)
North Korea - (406,000 military, 600,000 civilian)
China - (600,000 military)
You're right, China helped the North Koreans invade South Korea. I never said any different.
But in the context of where the whole conflict is today, based on what we are seeing in the newspapers etc. When the US patrol the Japan sea with a fleet playing war games with fighter jets and missiles, of course North Korea are going to show their strength by testing missiles, because that is exactly what the US are doing.
North Korea have a reported 5 nuclear tests, but they haven't tested since September last year, so where is this huge US drive coming from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests
As for the "what aboutism", I'm not really sure what you mean by that. The reality is that while the US are testing, not only missiles, but strategic war drills not one iota of interest is garnered in the media, yet when North Korea test a missile against that backdrop it is front page news in the West.
The only country that will actually start a war is the US.
Lol so you start by saying the North invaded the south then spend the next paragraphs trying to paint the US as the aggressor including accusing it of attacking South Korea. Ignoring the fact that the U.S. was already fighting along side it's allies the south before the Inchon operation. None of which would have been necessary without North Korean aggression in starting the war.
No to mention communism was a new comer to the region and there were plenty that were not communist. In fact prior to WW2 the only communist nation with borders in the region was the USSR.
So not really sure how you get the idea the region belonged to the communists.
Your bizarre summation of WW2 shows a great degree of ignorance of the subject.
Fact remains the only post WW2 war on the Korean Penisula was started by the communist North in a war of aggression. Aided directly by chinese and Russian troops.
Also do a bit of reading up on the nonstop North Korean aggression against the south since the first war ended.
Sorry they are not the poor victim here.
No to mention communism was a new comer to the region and there were plenty that were not communist. In fact prior to WW2 the only communist nation with borders in the region was the USSR.
So not really sure how you get the idea the region belonged to the communists.
Your bizarre summation of WW2 shows a great degree of ignorance of the subject.
Fact remains the only post WW2 war on the Korean Penisula was started by the communist North in a war of aggression. Aided directly by chinese and Russian troops.
Also do a bit of reading up on the nonstop North Korean aggression against the south since the first war ended.
Sorry they are not the poor victim here.
World is fecked, then the US of A elect Trump as president, he wants to show off his big nuclear penis at a crazy mo'fo at his neighbours place, crazy mo'fo in NK says 'look at mine' you hairplug headed cnut.
Then the western media go all sensitive about a crazy mo'fo in NK testing stuff everyone pretents only exists in films or in the hands of bad guys, when really the West are the antagonists in this situation and have most of the weapons that could end the world as we know it.
Why are we so intent on creating things (weapons) that could end as as a species? Can't we all just get along and sing kumbaya?
Then the western media go all sensitive about a crazy mo'fo in NK testing stuff everyone pretents only exists in films or in the hands of bad guys, when really the West are the antagonists in this situation and have most of the weapons that could end the world as we know it.
Why are we so intent on creating things (weapons) that could end as as a species? Can't we all just get along and sing kumbaya?
Actually non-western nations (which include Russia and China, India, pakistan ) have as many or slightly more nuclear warheads when compared to western nations (U.S. uk France). Russia still has a slight edge on the U.S. in terms of warheads.
Huge fall off after the big 2 who each have close to 7000 or more warheads. Next biggest only number in the 100's.
Though as I stated before in this thread up until the election of Trump the North Koreans had little to fear in regards to an attack by the U.S. It just was not going to happen. Trump being as much of a dipshit as the NK leadership means crazy shit could happen. But it is still NK who have made a mess of things without their 60 plus years of aggression towards the south old Donald would never even have heard of them.
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Oh it will. I believe it. I'm just saying total destruction in a matter of hours isn't likely.
My point still stands regarding the men/women in power just using weapons of mass destruction to flex their muscles, it's stupid beyond belief, we're literally arming up to destroy ourselves and they can't seem to understand that no matter who twitches first and sends the first one we're all going to end up dead.
Trump trying to force the hand of NK who are not the sanest is pretty damn stupid, doesn't really matter about started it. Also I abhor the actions of the USA and Russia for constantly trying to get involved in other countries politics/regimes, obviously the UK ain't much better but we're just the lapdogs doing as we're told these days.
In the second they start shooting their artillery the missiles from SK and US would destroy them and if you read the link I sent you would know most of the artillery wouldn't reach Seoul plus the fact 25% would fail to work. NK is not a match for SK even if US wasn't there, most of their artillery are obsolete and that includes the missiles, tanks and the 1960's airplanes, the only reason NK's fat boy still alive is because as with all cowards the NK aim their weapons to SK civilians knowing they would lose a war against SK.
It is a bit over the top to say the second the artillery starts firing that missiles from SK and the US would destroy them, really would not work like that. It would probably actually take some time before the responses began depending on how much surprise the NK Armed Forces achieved.
Also FYI, I am not the one saying NK artillery would destroy Seoul instantly either, but the longer any conflict on the Peninsula went on the more damage the Seoul would take.
I would not underestimate the state of their equipment, while it will include many older pieces, it will also include more modern equipment plus upgrades/improvements to older items. Plus in war there is a certain quality that can be had from quantity.
Bit of a worry if true.
Typical missile test failure.
How can that happen? Are all of their rocket scientists drunk? How can one misjudge coordinates when doing something like this.
Probably the old cm/inch conversion issueHow can that happen? Are all of their rocket scientists drunk? How can one misjudge coordinates when doing something like this.
How can that happen? Are all of their rocket scientists drunk? How can one misjudge coordinates when doing something like this.
More likely just a malfunction in the guidance system (mechanical or software) or some part of the rocket that made it go off course. You have to remember they are just developing this technology for themselves, just like happened with the US, the USSR, Germany (when they were developing the V1 and V2) etc there will be lots of failures, accidents, etc.
Just last year the UK had a Trident missile test where the missile veered off course and headed towards the US.
Failures even happen with well tried and tested missile systems.
http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/new-details-emerge-about-us-nuclear-missile-test-failure/
India isn't a small country. The fact that India had nuclear weapons is what compelled Pakistan to acquire them, seeing as how ever since their formation they have had hostile relations with India and can't appear to appear weaker than India. The fact that they have lost every war they've fought against India is even more of a reason for them to have nuclear weapons, otherwise how do they justify the mass expenditure they do on their army?
But India and Pakistan are unlikely to be the first to use their nukes and its a fact both parties know. They have enough problems without starting this mess from which there would be no going for either, and all this is before the likes of US and Russia get involved.
Now accusing the CIA and South Korea of colluding to assassinate Kim with biochemical weapons. Not only that they're saying they have the NK agent who was going to commit the act.
We're all doomed i tell ya.
We're all doomed i tell ya.
So literally the plot of The Interview?
So literally the plot of The Interview?
John Oliver your country needs you....to kill!!
My favorite part of the assassination plot is the 'radioactive bio weapons.'
Imagine being the poor bastard Kim/NK gov singled out as the perp.
North Korean friendly Moon Jae-in has been elected as president of South Korea in a landslide.
Might take the press focus off Comey/Trump sacking for a short while.