Who called them saviors?
So two so called "saviors" from our academy are gone in a space of almost only a month.
Paul Pogba
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Its unreal how this story seperates the idiots from sensible folk
Judging by the spelling I'm guessing they were American.
It seems like we've messed up here. Firstly, Fergie thinks we've got the ace up our sleeve in the option to extend his contract for a year, only to be made to look stupid when Pogba's agents say it isn't enforcable by law.
Then we apparently decide to freeze a player out and make him train on his own in order to convince him to stay. Great move right there.
Isn't this the guy that now can't play football for the rest of the season because we messed up with his documentation? Another great move by us.
Then we apparently decide to freeze a player out and make him train on his own in order to convince him to stay. Great move right there.
To the Andreas Pereira-thread! Much more talented then Pogba anyways!
Isn't this the guy that now can't play football for the rest of the season because we messed up with his documentation? Another great move by us.
New article without quotes..........panic on Redcafe.
He'll stay at Old Trafford..........you heard it here first
He'll stay at Old Trafford..........you heard it here first
Indeed it is.
He's training some with the first team though, so he must have shown a fair amount of promise.
I can give you more than one, because it would allow me to stay at a club with an excellent record in europe in recent history, which has a glaringly obvious need for new blood in my position, the chance to work with the greatest and most widly resected manager working today who has an excellent track record of bringing through youth.......
Lets for a second assume, even though I don’t fully agree, that the main factor behind us not signing a midfielder was fielding young blood. Even then I would stick by the club in a case of some youngster holding the club for ransom over financial gains.
I think as a young player they are supposed to show all hard work, punctuality, determination and ability to learn from the elder players. As mentioned earlier, even though money is quite important, they need to understand the privilege of wearing the Manchester United shirt. They should be doing everything in their power to get into the team whether it is training extra hard or going out on loan.
I believe that no single individual is bigger than the club. Therefore, even if the two brightest prospects were to leave us we will survive. For every Pogba and Morrison there is Fletcher, Danny, Cleverley etc (and that’s me not even mentioning Fergie’s fledglings).
What a complete balls up. People like to think we get everything spot on when it comes to youngsters etc., but this has proven not to be the case. We need to sort our shit out.
Some of the reactions are crazy in here, I really don't know for this life. He could be missed in the long run (if he fulfils his potential) but I would rather we not get held to ransom by some scumbag agent.
If he wanted to stay he would have made it happen, unfortunately it didn't work out. We move on simple as.
If he wanted to stay he would have made it happen, unfortunately it didn't work out. We move on simple as.
In the next few years we'll have Dæhli, Januzaj and Pereira though.
Whos to say their heads wont be turned too when Italian clubs come offering them double the salary we will offer them!
I know feck all about how it works, but it seems we need Jorge Mendes to take on our youngsters. Or any other agent that we have good ties with.
Chill out, I'm sure Pereira will learn just as much training with the the squads and it will also give him time and space to adapt to the culture, it's not the end of the world.
This.
Yeah, that's right. It was done to convince him to stay. Well done.
Can't say, but both Pereira and Dæhli are United-fans. Mats also got two very sensible parents, and Norwegians tends to be loyal and level headed (perhaps with the exeption of John Carew), so I dont think we'll face the same situation. We'll never know what the future brings though, but hopefully we'll manage to keep some of our most talented youngsters.
No it's called opinion. How many people were calling Vidic a cnut, saying it must be true he was leaving because of all the bullshit we had in the press about him....
The media are a bunch of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. Why didn't they ask if it was true about the deadline on friday? I think people should be disappointed because anyone of us is capable of making a mistake. This is one we DEEM as a mistake. I think the club could be a bit more open at times. He's still a talented kid - just like Morrison was. Just like Giggs was 20 years ago.
I also am suprised we've been willing to talk about kids such as Morrison and Pogba. I don't quite understand our stance. It's giving validation that they've done enough to be talked about. You move with the times but if you are trying to push down the swelling in kids heads, I'm not sure talking about them like they're first teamers is the way forward.
It's not the medias business, our academy and reserves. We should really close the door on such speculation by focusing on first teamers only unless it's a game for kids.
I'd be interested in reading those quotes.
Most definitely. I wasn't trying to say that the club was wrong, if that's how it came across in my post. I was just trying to say that most people wouldn't care this much if our midfield had been strong.
Agree with the rest as well. Young players at the club just need to look at the players already in the first team to see that hard work and patience will get you places.
I trust Fergie will go out and splash the cash on Ross Barkley, M'Villa or some Barcelona midfielder that they no longer need and all will be fogotton and hopefully whoever we bring in will win a lot more medals and have a better career than Pogba!
I don't think your post implied anything negative at all.
I was just making a point in general, that it's just surreal that so many folks would side with the agent/player and blame the club and Sir Alex.
But Morrison & Pogba were the solution to all our midfield problems guys, now we're doomed!!
Dont worry Cina. We've recalled Tunicliffe, and Bebe is coming back in the summer.
they hardly had a run of games in our first-team...they have both proven nothing at all.
Potential superstar/Potential trainwreck......you think Gazza imploded.....youve seen nothing yet.
Chill out, I'm sure Pereira will learn just as much training with the the squads and it will also give him time and space to adapt to the culture, it's not the end of the world.
It's not the end of the world, no. But it is still a basic error that shouldn't have happened.
So what you are saying is that we knew he would sign for Juve a week or so ago? The papers are getting it spot on with this Pogba situation so far and they had it as a 'sign or never play again, plus you're training on your own'. Why would freezing him out make him sign the deal? Even if he wanted to stay, it would only make him think it is now easier to leave.
I haven't made it up, but I'm going to struggle to find the articles saying this now. Google searches are just bringing up the latest news.
Ok, just wanted to make it clear in any case.
Seems like we pretty much agree on the whole thing anyway, as I agreed with every phrase in your previous post.Nah mate, they were the answer to everything. We never needed to buy another midfielder because they were 100% the answer to the problems we've had despite not playing for us at all.
Meh, I can't be bothered about Pogba these days anyway. It's not like he's a first teamer that we've seen play countless number of times to miss him. He's done nothing. Leave or not it does not make a difference.
People make mistakes, get over it.
Good attitude. That's what has got us where we are today.
I suppose this opens the door for Tunnicliffe now? One door closes, another opens.
Where's that exactly then?
What I'm saying is, I'm sure that whatever decision was made regarding "freezing him out" was made by someone who knows a hell of a lot more about the state of the contract negotiations than you, me or the hacks at Fleet Street.
I'm also highlighting the absurdity of your claim that it was done to convince him to sign the contract. They've been trying to convince him to sign the fecking thing for months and he's been training playing with the rest of the team the whole time.
If there's any truth to the rumour (and it is a rumour) of him training on his own, you can be absolutely certain it would only have happened if contract talks have completely broken down and/or he's already signed a pre-contract agreement with Juventus. Ridiculous to claim that it was done as some kind of tactic to encourage him to sign a long-term contract at the club.
My inner muppet is telling me that if we sign Javi Martinez then not only will Pogba be long forgotten but we might actually challenge for the Champions League again next year so loosing Pogba could turn out to be a huge blessing as the ugly bugger would still not have been ready for the 1st team for a couple more seasons. Could this turn out to be Fergies final transfer masterstroke before he calls it a day!!
As ridiculous as this sounds some of it may be right, to an extent. Though we've no idea how much Fergie was banking on Pogba to become the next big thing in our midfield.
If you really believe that attitude, let's save ourselves some £££ and dismantle the academy and reserves?...the fact is even if you buy an established player for however much, nothing is proven. It's about trusting players will do it. Some need no time. Some require time. Cleverlys proven himself to be a central midfielder within the space of 10 games. It's a funny old game but everything is a risk. I don't think people appreciate that.
Whatever you do is a risk. You could sign a great player and he could get a career defining injury after 5 minutes. If we didn't feel he was ready, why not let the player go on loan? If we don't feel he's worth this wage, why not factor something into the contract based on appearances.
You can prove no one wrong not playing games. I would side with Sir Alex obviously but I think we all know this bullshit could have been avoided.
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