Pep Guardiola's Bayern

[united_99]

Just read the whole thing in German, it's nothing too surprising, nothing too controversial, denied any players would leave, knows the board is behind him. He just said that the players are intelligent and they would find out if he was trying to teach them something he does not believe in. Said he can't teach someone else's ideas and if it comes to that, then someone else needs to come in and teach it to them himself.

The German media is just not as boring as the English media, they ask a lot of questions including justified ones and force the managers to justify or at least explain their tactics and decisions. So he has to answer them. In England ppl are not used to that kind of detail, so some out of context answers can sound controversial, which they usually are not.

Obviously if you lose 5-0 on agg. at Bayern there are some issues to be discussed. But I would be surprised if he left this season.

 

[OutlawGER]

The only possibility that Pep is getting fired this season is if we get completely destroyed by Dortmund in the DFB-Pokalfinale (like 2012). But even then i still would doubt it. Right now Dortmund is the clear favorite anyways since we are in this shit form while BVB is in a good form.


Next season will be interesting. Then he had enough time to make his system work.

 

[Winrar]

Don't think Pep will leave Bayern until his contract ends at the earliest, unless Bayern go trophyless in 14/15. Sure, they failed hard against Real Madrid, but the board will probably see how he bounces back up from that.

 

[Pexbo]

Don't think Pep will leave Bayern until his contract ends at the earliest, unless Bayern go trophyless in 14/15. Sure, they failed hard against Real Madrid, but the board will probably see how he bounces back up from that.

With the team they have, winning the league or/and domestic cup next season isn't enough IMO. He really needs to target that European Cup as ridiculous a "minimum" target as that. That's from a combination of the standards he himself sets and the team he has at his disposal.

 

[fishfingers15]

What an year for managers?

 

[Raul Madrid]

What an year for managers?

They are all overrated

 

[fishfingers15]

They are all overrated

It does really tell you how important the manager is to a club. If rumours are true about Van Gaal coming to United, I think he'll enjoy more control that's afforded in England. Let me not jinx it though.

 

[Melvyn]

http://vozpopuli.com/deportes/42718...rn-a-sabiendas-de-que-el-city-quiere-ficharle

Says that Guardiola was so direct in his press conference post-Madrid because Txiki Begiristain has already told him verbally that City will hire him should he leave Bayern. It's interesting to note that both Pellegrini and Guardiola have 3 year contracts. Convenient enough for Pellegrini to see out his contract and Guardiola to take over at City after.

 

[anchan1989]

http://vozpopuli.com/deportes/42718...rn-a-sabiendas-de-que-el-city-quiere-ficharle

Says that Guardiola was so direct in his press conference post-Madrid because Txiki Begiristain has already told him verbally that City will hire him should he leave Bayern. It's interesting to note that both Pellegrini and Guardiola have 3 year contracts. Convenient enough for Pellegrini to see out his contract and Guardiola to take over at City after.

Please...
Not angry with you but with that stupid press. Pep knows that he would have at least one top 10 club any season ready. And who knows where City are in the next years.
Pep will stay and if he has 2 more very good season we will give him a new contract. A CL victory is no must. Bayern won 2 since 76. Real 3. You cant plan that.
And why would Pep want to walk away from a top 3 club ever and in the next years. We are the richest club around(excluding investors). I can see him with us till he is 50(in 7 years, god he is sooo sick).
Then a new task maybe?

 

[do.ob]

With the team they have, winning the league or/and domestic cup next season isn't enough IMO. He really needs to target that European Cup as ridiculous a "minimum" target as that. That's from a combination of the standards he himself sets and the team he has at his disposal.

I'm pretty sure that Bayern is not the kind of club who would fire a coach just for only winning the double.

 

[Ringo 07]

Pep needs time and Bayern will more than likely give it to him

I think Pep will only be too happy to sell Muller to us if he is certain of buying Draxler in return

In the same way Pep may only be too happy to sell Kroos to us if it means he gets Koke in return

I think Pep will do a big rebuilding job over the summer and my guess is that Bayern will end up with half the players we are dreaming of such as Koke, Draxler, Muniain and possibly even Fabregas etc

 

[JaffyJoe]

Guardiola won't stay at Bayern for that long. 3-5 years MAX.

How he implements Lewandowski into the set up will be interesting. How he expands on tiki-taka will be interesting.

 

[Ramshock]

Is it harsh to say theres doubts about him at Bayern?

 

[Winrar]

I think if Pep fails to win the DFB Cup there may be doubts starting to creep into next season. 14/15 will be a crucial test for him.

 

[anchan1989]

Is it harsh to say theres doubts about him at Bayern?

He reached the second best points number ever in the league, 3(4) titles, 2 international ones(one against Chelsea) and a CL semis with on bad game there.
Dont think so. We have former world beaters in the board. They know how football works. Like I said if he wins the Pokal I can even see a new contract in the summer.
Im fully behind Pep and hope he stays for 7 or 8 years. At Bayern he has many people who can carry work for him unlike at Barca where he had to run the show.

I think if Pep fails to win the DFB Cup there may be doubts starting to creep into next season. 14/15 will be a crucial test for him.

Against the former CL finalist you can have a bad day. The CL final in Berlin will be our main target next season but no one can reached that any time. Pep just has to show great footy and he will do that. A title should come(4 to play for).

 

[Get In Scholesy]

As much as I would love to believe that there are doubts with him at Bayern (cause I'd love him here) I just highly doubt it. Bayern Munich are a proper footballing club that understand football and its dynamics. They are not like Real Madrid who sack championship winning managers. Pep should be fine for at least a couple of years. Bayern are really set for the future aren't they.

 

[Blackwidow]

I think Pep will only be too happy to sell Muller to us if he is certain of buying Draxler in return

Pep would not get happy selling Müller. When Müller was subbed on Tuesday even if he for sure not played good the fans protested and sang for him. That ain't normal in the Allianz Arena. If Müller would want away and really would go Guardiola would loose the backing of the fans.

Müller is seen by the local fans as pure identification of the club. He is the fan and media love.

He is no Ibrahimovic or Etoo or something like this.

He always stated that he would love to always play for Bayern if he has all the perspectives to play. So if he would want to go that all would fall back on Guardiola because there is not really a doubt that Müller is good enough to play - he is the top scorer and has saved this team too often in the recent years.

 

[do.ob]

Pep would not get happy selling Müller. When Müller was subbed on Tuesday even if he for sure not played good the fans protested and sang for him. That ain't normal in the Allianz Arena. If Müller would want away and really would go Guardiola would loose the backing of the fans.

Müller is seen by the local fans as pure identification of the club. He is the fan and media love.

He is no Ibrahimovic or Etoo or something like this.

He always stated that he would love to always play for Bayern if he has all the perspectives to play. So if he would want to go that all would fall back on Guardiola because there is not really a doubt that Müller is good enough to play - he is the top scorer and has saved this team too often in the recent years.

No offense, but are the fans really that influental at Bayern? Just remember "koan Neuer" (it roughly means "no Neuer!" in Bavarian dialect (I think at least)).

Spoiler

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000pI1tIsrMJX0/s/750/750/motivioFUL6020311016.jpg

I was quite surprised how big that thing turned out to be, yet it hat no effect.

 

[Blackwidow]

No offense, but are the fans really that influental at Bayern? Just remember "koan Neuer".

It was just some fans then. Not Munich's or the German media. I do not think you can compare that.

And yes - the club does not always do what the fans want. But the discussions about possession already started in Munich and in the German media (like they did in Europe). The people want to win with a team they can identify with and not with a lot of small technical Spaniards. That you can win with a core with homegrown players Heynckes has shown - it is not a question of quality... Van Gaal and Heynckes have shown that you can be successful with "Bayern" Munich - so nobody really prefers an "Internazionale" Munich. Müller for a lot is the future captain (even if he does not think so) - some would even already prefer him to Lahm and Schweinsteiger today.

But Müller ain't just fan love - the media loves him, too. And I do not really think the Bayern partners would like that either. (Even if Adidas for sure could live with it!). Bayern makes most of their money with from sponsoring - and the regional and identity part of this is important, too. Müller is seen as a big part of that club identity - not only for now but especially for the future. There actually is nobody that really could take his place in that - I love e.g. Badstuber but he just does not have Müller's personality.

Just to emphasize that to people who do not live in Germany. We have all this young football starlets in Germany - but the big advertising contracts all seem to land with Müller. Right now he is seen in 4 TV spots of his personal partners - and has roles in others of partners of the German FA or Bayern. You cannot watch an advertising block in German TV without seeing Müller right now. Schweinsteiger is seen in two - Right Guard and a chips spot. Neuer for Coca Cola light. And Dandruff Mats. But the rest just is not. For Advertising the player quality counts less than the personality...

Müller ain't a business like Ibrahimovic or Etoo. Nobody would cry big tears after a player like Kroos or even Mandzukic etc. If Lewandowski works everybody will forget about a Mandzukic. Easy like this.

I just wanted to show the situation. It really would surprise me if the club would not try anything to keep him.

And I doubt that Pep does not plan with him.

 

[anchan1989]

As much as I would love to believe that there are doubts with him at Bayern (cause I'd love him here) I just highly doubt it. Bayern Munich are a proper footballing club that understand football and its dynamics. They are not like Real Madrid who sack championship winning managers. Pep should be fine for at least a couple of years. Bayern are really set for the future aren't they.

We are. Only Barca,Real and United can rival us money wise(if FFP goes on). Add to that a world class stadium, world city around the club(important for players and coaches too) and our history as a top 3 club ever and we look into a great future.
Like I said here once: the Allianz deal was not mentioned enough in the British press. Its a HUGE deal. The club had plans to pay off the Allianz arena till 2025(35!). The stadium makes 30 million any season. We used that to pay of the debts of it but now its free with the Allianz deal. We could spend 100 million and would make a profit.

 

[bishblaize]

As much as I would love to believe that there are doubts with him at Bayern (cause I'd love him here) I just highly doubt it. Bayern Munich are a proper footballing club that understand football and its dynamics. They are not like Real Madrid who sack championship winning managers. Pep should be fine for at least a couple of years. Bayern are really set for the future aren't they.

6 managers in 10 years though, plus caretakers. They won't sack him, but they have a high turnover.

 

[do.ob]

6 managers in 10 years though, plus caretakers. They won't sack him, but they have a high turnover.

That's probably still way below average for a top club.

their coaches were:
Ottmar Hitzfeld 1998–2004 (he said himself that he decided to leave because he needed a break)
Felix Magath 2004–2007 (probably had to be sacked since he turned the team against him)
Ottmar Hitzfeld 2007–2008 (again decided to leave himself)
Jürgen Klinsmann 2008–2009 (had to be sacked)
Jupp Heynckes 2009 (interim)
Louis van Gaal 2009–2011 (probably had to be sacked since he picked too many fights with the bosses and his players)
Andries Jonker 2011 (interim)
Jupp Heynckes 2011–2013 (age reasons)
Josep Guardiola since 2013

So out of those six coaches only three were sacked and every time it seemed very reasonable.

 

[bishblaize]

That's probably still way below average for a top club.

their coaches were:
Ottmar Hitzfeld 1998–2004 (he said himself that he decided to leave because he needed a break)
Felix Magath 2004–2007 (probably had to be sacked since he turned the team against him)
Ottmar Hitzfeld 2007–2008 (again decided to leave himself)
Jürgen Klinsmann 2008–2009 (had to be sacked)
Jupp Heynckes 2009 (interim)
Louis van Gaal 2009–2011 (probably had to be sacked since he picked too many fights with the bosses and his players)
Andries Jonker 2011 (interim)
Jupp Heynckes 2011–2013 (age reasons)
Josep Guardiola since 2013

So out of those six coaches only three were sacked and every time it seemed very reasonable.

It always seems reasonable at the time....

Just joking, I don't think Bayern are a knee jerk club by any means. But its interesting nonetheless.

 

[anchan1989]

It always seems reasonable at the time....

Just joking, I don't think Bayern are a knee jerk club by any means. But its interesting nonetheless.

Its always hard at a big club, for any manager. Assuming that you are an United fan I would say that your club will come to that too. What Ferguson did is hard to do today. You have all these great managers, waiting for a failure. Football has become SOO huge, the money alone. Owners have to react quickly. Therefore I would love if we and Pep become something longterm. Kalle already talked about that. Shame that Mou has gone crazy(for me). A few years before I would have loved him here.

 

[#07]

 

[amolbhatia50k]

has anyone seen their new kit?

 

[Balu]

has anyone seen their new kit?

Strange timing to go back to those colours, but we played with similar kits during the 90's, so it's not really something new. Blue was often part of our kits, but it's definitely stupid to design one that similar to Barca's now

For example in '96:

The one for next season:

Our away kit in the 70's was similar as well.

 

[FCBarca]

I think it looks more like Palace than Barcelona anyway. Looks poor, IMO, but I do like their 3rd kit

 

[Ruht]

Strange timing to go back to those colours, but we played with similar kits during the 90's, so it's not really something new. Blue was often part of our kits, but it's definitely stupid to design one that similar to Barca's now

For example in '96:

The one for next season:

Our away kit in the 70's was similar as well.

The only reason people are making fun of it is because of Pep. Had Jupp remained, we wouldn't have heard a thing about it.

I like it to be fair, but it looks awful with those red shorts. No idea what they were thinking, white shorts would have looked much better with that shirt.

 

[louvega]

Yeah, the red shorts look out of place.

 

[OutlawGER]

Should have blue shorts, similar to the 96' kit.

But i love this kit tbh. Reminds me of my childhood. This 96' kit was my first kit ever. #18 Klinsmann

 

[Blackwidow]

Should have blue shorts, similar to the 96' kit.

But i love this kit tbh. Reminds me of my childhood. This 96' kit was my first kit ever. #18 Klinsmann

That is exactly the reason why I do not like it. Klinsmann at Bayern... No... (not as player and not as a coach...)

The Bayern fans do not really like it because of the blue in it... the neighbours...
And it is probably time again to sing "we want red white kits" on the balcony of the Rathaus like Kuffour did in the 90s...

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Have to say,

Strange timing to go back to those colours, but we played with similar kits during the 90's, so it's not really something new. Blue was often part of our kits, but it's definitely stupid to design one that similar to Barca's now

For example in '96:

The one for next season:

Our away kit in the 70's was similar as well.

I think your current kit is fantastic though. A lot of people associate Bayern with that pure red.

 

[anchan1989]

Love the new shirt. Has such a classic look! Manus trikot is crazy good.

 

[Scarecrow]

Just turned the game on. The kits are hideous.

 

[Samid]

 

[Castia]

There seems to be some negativity surrounding Pep but a double (quad including Fifa club cup etc) in his first season isn't bad. Champions League performance against Madrid aside they pretty much pissed every other competition. It will be interesting to see what he does with the squad this summer transfer window.

 

[Red Shorts]

Anyone else think Kroos looks unusually photoshopped here compared to the others?

 

[Melvyn]

Spoiler

 

[Hamadovich86]

In his first season he wins 4 trophies, not bad eh? I know he was expected to win those but its still an achievement. It will take him time to fully implement his philosophy at Bayern but if he gets time I think they will win the CL again during his reign.