[RORY65]

How can people blame Jose?

We controlled the whole game apart from Jones' brainfart. Chelsea had nothing and I think only tested DDG on one other occasion. They were lucky. Pogba should've equalised, and you'd expect a 90 million player to head a ball on target.

This brought back memories of the 2005 FA Cup final, we just didn't get the bounce of the ball. Play that game 10 times and we win 9 times, or at least take it to ET.

It's pretty depressing losing to this shit Chelsea team but it isn't the end of the world.

This was different to 2005, that day we were on the front foot from the start and had a lot more chances (hit the post a couple of times, balls of the line and more saves by Lehmann). Today we weren't at it for 40 minutes and then we got shithoused by a team who had a lead to protect which is ironic given that it was pretty much Mourinho's dream performance by them. His tactic of not trusting that he had a better team (which he does) also backfired because we had Herrera completely out of position rather than as part of a 3 trying to boss their midfield and yet the man he was meant to man-mark still decided the game so it hindered us and didn't stop them.

 

[Coxy]

If we didn’t concede, we wouldn’t have lost. Match goes to extra-time & who knows?

Who knows?

It still could have gone either way correct? Jones made a mistake and we got punished sure. But christ all the abuse he’s getting on here is ridiculous. The team and manager had plenty of time to try and attack and score. We didn’t. That wasn’t Jones fault.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Doubtful. MLS or China will beckon.

i dunno i dont think even they will match his wages. and he still has 4 years left on his contract.

 

[RD76]

An absolute insult to Sir Alex.

But there's no better man to lead us forward than Jose. We need to change about 5 players.

 

[siw2007]

Congrats to Chelsea for their cup win. Very disappointed as I felt we could have scored a few but squandered our chances. Chelsea defended very well but I think we should have taken them to extra time.

Jones of course cost us the game, but Lingard and Rashford who is devoid of any confidence were poor too.

Think our best performers were Matic and Pogba who were brave on the ball and tried to make things happen.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

There’s a lot of people on here were quite happy with us not winning the FA cup so long as it meant Liverpool didn’t win the champions league.

So fear not. Jobs half done.

 

[Irrational.]

This was different to 2005, that day we were on the front foot from the start and had a lot more chances (hit the post a couple of times, balls of the line and more saves by Lehmann). Today we weren't at it for 40 minutes and then we got shithoused by a team who had a lead to protect which is ironic given that it was pretty much Mourinho's dream performance by them. His tactic of not trusting that he had a better team (which he does) also backfired because we had Herrera completely out of position rather than as part of a 3 trying to boss their midfield and yet the man he was meant to man-mark still decided the game so it hindered us and didn't stop them.

I think you're spot on.

 

[Kag]

We need a whole new attack, Lukaku even fit is not enough.

Sanchez is a joke, always bossed off the ball, does nothing for us.

I hate to be rude but do people like you genuinely believe that buying "a whole new attack" makes a difference? Open your bloody eyes, man.

We must have bought a whole new attack three times since Ferguson left and we're still hopeless going forward.

Buying another bloke from a club where he's banging them in, only to come here and struggle isn't my idea of fun. That it keeps happening and still people think that buying more players is going to change everything boggles the mind.

 

[Cpt Negative]

Lots of over reaction on here which is understandable after a cup final defeat but we were by far the better team, just didn’t have those breaks on the day.

 

[whatwha]

Pardon me for being negative, but: we are a bit shite. And I don't see much reason why things will improve next season. Bit sick of United now. Bring on the World Cup.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Good attempt today. Good number of players tried well. Chelsea produced a defensive masterclass. Nice formation and kept their shape. Could say a lot of what ifs but overall I wouldn't blame players for not winning this and wouldn't really blame Jose

 

[GM K]

The first 45 minutes. We did nothing in that half. Not before the goal and not after it. Only in the second half did we actually start putting pressure on Chelsea.

Doesn't mean Chelsea was better in the first half. We played decent football in that half and minus the error by Jones, I can't figure out how they were better. My main problem was Rashford. We lacked bite in attack and that gave Chelsea some confidence. Sanchez also didn't pull his weight enough unlike Hazard.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

How can people blame Jose?

We controlled the whole game apart from Jones' brainfart. Chelsea had nothing and I think only tested DDG on one other occasion. They were lucky. Pogba should've equalised, and you'd expect a 90 million player to head a ball on target.

This brought back memories of the 2005 FA Cup final, we just didn't get the bounce of the ball. Play that game 10 times and we win 9 times, or at least take it to ET.

It's pretty depressing losing to this shit Chelsea team but it isn't the end of the world.

becuase we set up to stop Chelsea playing, with a weird unbalanced formation, and when jones made a mistake we looked like we hadnt even prepared to go on the attack.

you can't go into games only set up to defend and try and catch your opponent out becuase your oponent might catch you out first and shut up shop. Which is what happened.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

I have to disagree. Hazard scores at least 90% of the time from that position. PKs are scored about 85% of the time (seems like a good guess) so Jones made the right tackle.

Whatever helps you sleep at night!

 

[Xaviboy]

My day is ruined. In Ireland and have to listen to that Souness chap talking rubbish again on our TV channel. How did Pogba miss that chance lads. We struggle to break teams down that sit back. I'm not sure I can continue watching us. We have no clue going forward. No imagination/creativity in our attack play.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

becuase we set up to stop Chelsea playing, with a weird unbalanced formation, and when jones made a mistake we looked like we hadnt even prepared to go on the attack.

you can't go into games only set up to defend and try and catch your opponent out becuase your oponent might catch you out first and shut up shop. Which is what happened.

This is exactly why the whole season has been good and bad day swings. When we setup wrong or start badly there is no coming back

 

[TrueRed79]

What.A.Load.Of.Shit <insert season>

 

[Siorac]

Doesn't mean Chelsea was better in the first half. We played decent football in that half and minus the error by Jones, I can't figure out how they were better. My main problem was Rashford. We lacked bite in attack and that gave Chelsea some confidence. Sanchez also didn't pull his weight enough unlike Hazard.

I didn't say they were. I said we had given them 45 minutes advantage. They had next to nothing to worry about in that first half because we were having a nothing performance.

 

[Patrick08]

Phil jones and Smalling as a pairing in a cup final, this was bound to happen.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Right, you'd expect more from 20/22 year old talents who are filling in/coming on as subs as opposed to a huge star who is first choice every game and paid an enormous amount? Makes sense.

Btw by virtue of being given the prominence and money that he has been afforded, Sanchez is actually the one being treated as the saviour. If anyone should be viewed through that particular lens, it's him.

Incorrect, I'd expect more from hungry, youthful players with a point to prove and playing in a cup final in the early days of their careers. Not a pushing 30 player, new to the team. Sanchez played better (although still poor) than both Martial and Rashford.

Martial has played over 100 senior games, it's not like he's just come up from the youth team. Rashford has over 100 appearances for United.

Sanchez on here is never considered a saviour outside of the initial transfer buzz.

Stop babying them because they look good on YouTube.

 

[Zexstream]

I hate to be rude but do people like you genuinely believe that buying "a whole new attack" makes a difference? Open your bloody eyes, man.

We must have bought a whole new attack three times since Ferguson left and we're still hopeless going forward.

Buying another bloke from a club where he's banging them in, only to come here and struggle isn't my idea of fun. That it keeps happening and still people think that buying more players is going to change everything boggles the mind.

Look at our attack today,

Rashford, who clearly is talented but nowhere ready to start a FA cup final.

Fergie was brilliant in motivating regular players into world class players, Jose buys world class players and turns them into regular players.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Then there isn't progress, is there? I mean, progress means optimism for what lies ahead. Do you honestly feel we can even retain 2nd (let alone win the lague) next season with this dross?

I was (and am) pro-Jose. I had a lot of faith in him. But he's doing a lot of things that are very suspect:

- Benching his own players that he bought like Bailly and even Lindelof (who has improved marginally) for Jones. No complaints over Smalling starting.

- Shoe-horning Sanchez at the cost of the attack. What Sanchez has done so far, the collective of Martial-Lingard-Lukaku were doing before his arrival. There was a semblance of chemistry developing.

- Chopping and changing attack, defense and formations, yet style of play remains shite as ever and too dependent on Lukaku, like it was on Ibra last season.

- No cohesiveness in attack. Inability to man-manage complicated personalities like Pogba and Martial.

- Sevilla. Deserves a special mention in itself.

Give Martial and Pogba to Guardiola, and I have no doubts that like Sterling, their performances will up a notch. That is why I am worried that this won't change no matter who we sign, Savic or any promising player. Jose gets one more season, but if it is more of the same shite, then his stint with us should be over.

I agree with all those points, though to me, progress means we have done better than we have previously. These last two seasons have been better than the three that came before it. That is progress, as far as I'm concerned. There are areas where a lot of work is required and areas where there is still some concern, but I still think progress has been made regardless, just not as much as there should have been at the 2 year mark.

 

[Jacko21]

Good attempt today. Good number of players tried well. Chelsea produced a defensive masterclass. Nice formation and kept their shape. Could say a lot of what ifs but overall I wouldn't blame players for not winning this and wouldn't really blame Jose

I'm not sure they did.

They looked rickety on the rare occasions we actually sped the play up. A more incisive team would've punished them.

Today was settled by a penalty kick. Neither team was great.

I agree the players need to take more responsibility. They allowed the game to pass them by, there's little Mourinho can do about that from the touchline.

 

[golden_blunder]

Just highlights a lot of our deficiencies today. Defenders who panick and aren’t top notch, fullbacks who can’t cross, play always concentrated in the left, no cutting edge and zombie passing

 

[Joseunited]

Can't complain with the result.If the manager sets us up to be nothing but defensive and only throws caution to the wind once we're in trouble then we deserve to lose.I said at the beginning of the game that I was happy to see Pedro and Wilian on the bench and only Hazard on the field but there was absolutely no need to man mark him(stupid piece of management there).Second half I think we deserved a goal as we were much the better team but I still think we deserved to lose purely by the way we approached the start of the game.

We tried to do everything through the middle of the pitch against 3 central defenders which I couldn't understand although whenever we played it out wide to either Ashley Young he only ever wanted to cut back on to his right foot and on the other side Valencia never tried to beat his man and get a cross in.

For a team that finished second in the league it's hard to understand why there are so many issues that need sorting out.I don't see where we are progressing?

 

[Kag]

Look at our attack today,

Rashford, who clearly is talented but nowhere ready to start a FA cup final.

Fergie was brilliant in motivating regular players into world class players, Jose buys world class players and turns them into regular players.

So what/who is the problem? The attack or Mourinho?

It's fairly apparent to me that irrespective of who we field, we play dire attacking football.

 

[Marcky411]

So I did decide to miss the game, would someone care to summarize it in a few words for me ? I don't think I have the strength to watch a re-run of it now...

Painful like all our other performances. Jones was his clumsy self and Hazard scored his penalty. Chelsea did a Jose and sat back and defended the 1-0 lead with 10 men and succeeded as well, as Utd we had 11 players who haven't got a clue what they should be doing on the pitch.

 

[Son Of Sam]

Good attempt today. Good number of players tried well. Chelsea produced a defensive masterclass. Nice formation and kept their shape. Could say a lot of what ifs but overall I wouldn't blame players for not winning this and wouldn't really blame Jose

Chelsea didn’t produce any defensive masterclass. United had 18 shots on the day. We lost because we have hopeless players who couldn’t hit a barn door.

A defensive masterclass was what Jose did to Conte last season - when Chelsea had 0 shots on target for the whole 90 mins.

We had chances - Rashford could have scored a hat trick if he wanted to. Pogba missed a sitter. Chelsea defenders had no influence on our players missing those chances. We are just pathetic!

 

[The Real Treble 99]

Massive disappointment we just couldn’t finish or break their bus or basically do anything. Some good play at times but ultimately nothing. Just soo slow & static that Chelsea knew it’d be easier just to defend. We are so far below City & I can only see us fighting again for top 4 next season. Sad times.

 

[MIC_FIN]

Pass sideways rinse, repeat.

No urgency.

Sell Martial, burn Fellaini's contract. While we're at it. Sell Jones and Lingard. What does Mata actually do?

Who trains this bunch of knee-jerkers, amateur, hesitant, bunch of wage grabbing bystanders?

Get a grip ffs.

 

[JG3001]

No blame on the manager. Jones is just a very poor footballer, which cost us today. Actually the entire back 4 from today is very poor. Hoping for a clearout of deadwood now

The back four cost us today? What was the score line? How many shots did United have in the first half? Mourinho is a hasbeen and needs to go, only thing I’ll agree with is he can take half of the team with him.

 

[Marcky411]

So what/who is the problem? The attack or Mourinho?

It's fairly apparent to me that irrespective of who we field, we play dire attacking football.

JOSE MOURINHO, quite simple his team, his tactics.

 

[Garethw]

It's as bad as it was under Van Gaal (style wise). He needs to go and sharpish.

It's painful to watch and did he stop ddg from going up for the corner?!

It really is just as bad (style wise). We are a god awful team to watch under Mourinho.

Can anyone honestly see him adopting a different approach next season?

One fecking goal in our last four games. fecking dreadful!

 

[Mercurial]

getting full engine fullbacks that can cross would do us marvels vs teams that sit back, we have about 0 threat from width.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Incorrect, I'd expect more from hungry, youthful players with a point to prove and playing in a cup final in the early days of their careers. Not a pushing 30 player, new to the team. Sanchez played better (although still poor) than both Martial and Rashford.

Martial has played over 100 senior games, it's not like he's just come up from the youth team. Rashford has over 100 appearances for United.

Sanchez on here is never considered a saviour outside of the initial transfer buzz.

Stop babying them because they look good on YouTube.

Bizarre logic.

Bet Barca/Madrid fans expect more from Dembele/Asensio than they do from Ronaldo/Messi.

Also who the hell watches our own players on youtube?

 

[kouroux]

Painful like all our other performances. Jones was his clumsy self and Hazard scored his penalty. Chelsea did a Jose and sat back and defended the 1-0 lead with 10 men and succeeded as well, as Utd we had 11 players who haven't got a clue what they should be doing on the pitch.

Boy am I glad I missed it then

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Chelsea didn’t produce any defensive masterclass. United had 18 shots on the day. We lost because we have hopeless players who couldn’t hit a barn door.

A defensive masterclass was what Jose did to Conte last season - when Chelsea had 0 shots on target for the whole 90 mins.

We had chances - Rashford could have scored a hat trick if he wanted to. Pogba missed a sitter. Chelsea defenders had no influence on our players missing those chances. We are just pathetic!

Hard to disagree with any of that

We have turned into Arsenal

 

[Dosse]

Hard to swallow this one. Players out and new more fitting players in this summer. Still progress in the bigger picture. Love our manager and next season we will do even more progress, maybe the league and a cup of some sort?

 

[alsabi]

I'm looking forward to watching football with a lower level of emotional investment this summer.

 

[Nori-]

It feels like groundhog day.

Another manager, after Moyes and Van Gaal who has spent a fortune and is producing football that is so hard to watch. Im a Mourinho fan, and I know people will say I'm over reacting but he HAS to go. We need someone who will get the best out of these attacking players we have, not cage them and force them to stick to his rigid boring style

Its been 5 years now since Fergie left, 100s of millions spent and in my opinion we havn't improved much. When will this misery end.