Can you quote me some examples ?
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Can you quote me some examples ?
Two suspects have been detained in the killing a week ago of opposition politician Boris Nemtsov, the head of Russia’s federal security service said Saturday.
http://nypost.com/2015/03/07/russia-detains-2-suspects-in-murder-of-boris-nemtsov/
http://nypost.com/2015/03/07/russia-detains-2-suspects-in-murder-of-boris-nemtsov/
US President Obama supports Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis. But hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either.
http://www.spiegel.de/international...ressive-nato-stance-on-ukraine-a-1022193.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international...ressive-nato-stance-on-ukraine-a-1022193.html
Both from the Caucasus? Some of Ramzan Kadyrov's boys, no doubt. Not that the FSB will try to find out why they killed Nemtsov. Like they didn't with Politkovskaya.
Yes, everyone in the Caucasus is working for Kadyrov. FSB won't even try to find who's behind the murder. Glad you've figured it all out.
Are we all sure still it wasn't Putin?
I liked how the govt snow plow was blocking the camera angle on CCTV of when he was shot. No snow on the ground.
I mean, why knock off your biggest detractor when you have such a high approval rating that it will have no negative effect on your popularity?
Wow, this conspiracy now involves a government snow plow. Because there was absolutely no other way to assassin Nemcov discretely, or make it look like an accident. It had to be on a busy bridge near Kremlin. Leaving a witness alive.
I just find this idea what it can't be Putin because it's "too obvious" to be ridiculous. If anything when a top political opponent dies in Russia it's always his opponent who killed him.
Quite correct. Laughably, the Russian government have been entertaining any number of bizarre theories including he was killed by Muslim extremists angry over Nemtsov's support of Charlie Hebdo or as a provocation to destabilize Russia - always omitting the big white elephant in the room that Nemtsov and his mother were most concerned about - that Putin and proxies of his mafia regime would take him out because he was spreading narratives about the regime's activities in Ukraine and Putin's complicity promoting jingoistic policies that have led to the Russian recession. It seems that any Russian citizen who publicly dabbles in the truth is in danger of harassment, assault, imprisonment, or murder.
Thankfully Putin is overseeing the investigation so there's no question of bias.
It's biased, no question!
I thought the govts interest in suggesting ridiculous theories on the murder was most telling.
Yeah how odd that he was 'personally overseeing it' and that such a statement was announced immediately after the murder. A cynic might ponder whether Putin arranged it and is now attempting to manipulate the public's shock and anger by taking credit for finding the "true murderers". Much as he and his regime have lied to the mothers of dead Russian troops who mysteriously perished in a war he denies is taking place.
What to make of this?
What did I say?
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Curiouser and curiouser (if true).
Putin creating a smokescreen
Putin admits Crimea was a planned military operation, thereby completely obliterating any arguments to the contrary.
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Putin describes secret operation to seize Crimea
http://news.yahoo.com/putin-describes-secret-operation-seize-crimea-212858356.html
Moscow (AFP) - President Vladimir Putin has revealed the moment he says he gave the secret order for Russia's annexation of Crimea and described how Russian troops were ready to fight to rescue Ukraine's deposed, pro-Moscow president.
In a trailer shown Sunday for an upcoming documentary on state-run Rossiya-1 television called "Homeward bound", Putin openly discusses Moscow's controversial grabbing of Crimea a year ago.
Putin recounts an all-night meeting with security services chiefs to discuss how to extricate deposed president Viktor Yanukovych, who had fled a pro-Western street revolt in the Ukrainian capital Kiev.
"We ended at about seven in the morning," Putin says. "When we were parting, I said to my colleagues: we must start working on returning Crimea to Russia."
Four days after that February 2014 meeting, unidentified soldiers took over the local parliament in Crimea and deputies hurriedly voted in a new government. The Ukrainian province was then formally annexed by Moscow on March 18, triggering international condemnation.
The military operation was initially kept secret and despite the increasingly obvious actions of unmarked Russian forces on the ground, Moscow insisted that only locals were involved in the upheaval. Later, the Kremlin conceded that it had been behind the power grab.
In the trailer for the documentary, Putin also claims that Russia's military was ready to fight its way into the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk to get Yanukovych, a heavily corrupted but loyal figure who favoured keeping Ukraine in Russia's sphere of influence.
"He would have been killed," Putin said. "We got ready to get him right out of Donetsk by land, by sea or by air," he said. "Heavy machine guns were mounted there to avoid talking too much."
Yanukovych later resurfaced in the southern Russian city of Rostov and has not been back to Ukraine.
More than 6,000 people have since been killed in fighting between Ukraine's government forces and heavily armed separatist militias based in Donetsk and backed -- according to Western governments -- by Russia, although Moscow denies this.
Rossiya-1 did not say when the full documentary would be aired.
That right there means that we can't trust anything Putin says and that claims that Putin couldn't be behind Nemtsov's killing because it's 'too obvious' are ridiculous. He invaded and annexed parts of another country as the whole world watched on and lied about it.
See above.
Nothing wrong with any of this. Russia is only doing what from their perspective is best for their economic and political interest.
Invading a neighboring country, stealing their land, and lying about it ? That's some moral compass.
And to top it off, Putin's Russia is now politically and economically isolated and in recession.
It means nothing. Tens of thousands of Chechens work in Chechnya's military or police structures. It's like saying that every US soldier, active or retired, is working for Obama. Two of the suspects have been living and working in Moscow for years. Others, while Chechens by nationality, lived outside of Chechnya in Ingushetia where they were apprehended.
Here's what the article says after your passage:
“More security people are working in Chechnya than in any other region in Russia,” Mr. Shvedov said in an interview. “Why would anyone try to recruit a killer who works for Kadyrov? It would be long and complicated.”
Albert Barakhoev, the acting head of the Security Council in Ingushetia, a region that borders Chechnya, was quoted by the state-run news agencies, Tass and RIA Novosti, as saying the arrests took place there.
The two main suspects, Mr. Dadayev and Mr. Gubashev, are between 30 and 35, he said, and have been in Moscow for years. Mr. Gubashev had worked for a private security company in Moscow as a guard in a hypermarket, Mr. Barakhoev said."
That first bolded line proves my point. Why would anyone else try to recruit one of his men? Ergo, who else could he be working for? It's a further expansion of what the guy is saying about it being purely domestic and not the CIA/Ukraine or whomever was being blamed earlier.
Kadyrov has also apparently admitted to knowing the man and his motivations.
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You forgot to mention that Russians from Eastern Ukraine have organized themselves. It's them who are fighting at the front-lines. They have the weapons and the manpower. It shouldn't come as a surprise that Putin should offer support. The U.S. did the same in other wars. It's only natural ; )
I was watiting for the obligatory the US has done it so we can too. Fact is, all Russian involvement in Ukraine is a fabrication of Putin's agitations to control Ukraine and not coincidentally their weapons are all Russian.
Most of Ukrainian army's weapons are Russian, too.
Ok, but they are not invading their own country whereas the Russians clearly are.
It's perfectly fine to invade other countries if you have good enough reason for it. It's a common knowledge that Ukraine had weapons of mass destruction stored in some abandoned warehouse in the middle of Crimea which they were planning to use in the near future. Good thing Russians got there first and now the world is a safer better place because of it. You're welcome, by the way.
I never claimed that CIA or Ukrainian special services had anything to do with the murder. In fact, I still have no idea who was behind it and would rather wait for the investigation to yield some results. I just checked and Kadyrov did indeed say that he knew one of the arrested who apparently used to serve in the battalion Sever (North) of the Ministry of the Internal Affairs of Chechen Republic, was awarded some medals for participation in some anti-terrorist operations. Still, it means nothing.
Since you've brought up WMDs, Russia's invasion is a clear violation of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum which stipulates Russia and others will not use weapons against Ukraine, respect its territorial sovereignty, and abstain from using economic coercion - all three are clear violations and are a green light for the US to arm Ukraine as well as for Ukraine to become a nuclear power again.
And this serves what purpose? Oh yeah the US invaded Iraq so therefore, it is perfectly fine for Russia to have invaded Ukraine. Two wrongs making a right and all that
This is their only argument. They know deep down that Putin is a corrupt little dictator but just don't like being told so by foreigners.
Conveniently, Kadyrov was just awarded a medal for the Order of Honour by Putin. Another person who just received that award? Andrei Lugovoi. It's not as though Kadyrov doesn't have a history of killing his rivals or enemies (The Yamadayev brothers, Estemirova, and Israilov).
I didn't say you claimed that, just that the Russian media and state have claimed or suggested that it was outside actors attempting to make Russia look bad. Now, Putin's come off that and said that it was political. Of course it will be blamed on Islamist extremists, since they are Putin's go-to heel. Despite the fact that a large majority of the crazies from the Caucasus are in Iraq/Syria at the moment.
So why didn't they just arrest or better yet kill 'for resisting arrest' some criminals and pinned the Nemtsov's killing on them? Why kill Nemtsov and leave the only witness, his girlfriend, alive? Why announce to the whole world all the details, knowing that the killers being Chechens and one of them used to work in the special police unit in Chechnya and that little fact would inevitably make every conspiracy theorist out there connect him to Kadyrov?
If they wanted to get rid of Nemtsov, it would have been done in such a way to never come back to Putin or anyone close to Putin. But like I said, Nemtsov was a non-factor in Russian politics and killing him doesn't help the Russian president in any way but certainly hurts his position outside of the country.
You mean like they did with Litvinenko? Yep, nice and clean with no possibility of tracing it back to Putin or the FSB. They just used a very rare radioactive poison when they could have killed him much more quietly and even made it look like a suicide. There's a reason the methods are so blatant. Impunity and intimidation.
Not true. He was obviously annoying the government tremendously with his anti-Putin rhetoric, helping organize mass demonstrations, and preparing a dossier that he claimed would prove Putin's complicity in Ukraine. Just one of the aforementioned at a time when the government is increasingly paranoid about a popular uprising would've been enough for him to get knocked off. Three of the above factors are easily sufficient grounds to get rid of him, especially if he is challenging Putin's holy grail of no Russian troops in Ukraine, which if exposed, would easily unsettle the opinions of many Russians if they found out their own President has been lying to them as their kids are coming home in caskets. So collectively, there is a clear motive to murder Nemtsov, and the government's theatrical attempts to blame it on everyone except Putin isn't helping.
So let's say, he is a corrupt little dictator. And? What's your point? So every country leader you're not happy about should be dealt with somehow? Who made America judge and jury of what's right and wrong in this world?
After everything USA have done over the last twenty years or so you have no moral right to tell anyone anything. You support the government that committed horrible crimes against other countries that resulted in hundreds of thousands of casualties and created far more messes across the world than it ever helped anybody. Your country supported and still supports some of the most odious regimes out there.
If Putin's alleged crimes upset you so much, then you must be losing sleep regularly over the fact that the likes of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. had done. You must be campaigning outside their home residencies in order to deliver them to the Hague war tribunal. No? Abu Ghraib and CIA torture prisons across Europe? Giving UN and everyone else a finger whenever it suits your purpose to get involved in yet another sovereign country's affairs? Putin the horrible dictator can't even dream of such arrogance.
And yet you readily defend your government's wrongdoings and make it sound like what Putin is doing is far worse. Figures.
I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again, so I'll do it one last time. Nemtsov was a non-factor in Russian politics, his influence was next to nothing, his 'mass demonstrations' never amounted to more than a few thousands of supporters in a country of over 140 million people. If you prefer to live in a fantasy land of your own making, fine but don't tell me what I know far better than you ever will.
You really believe that, don't you? I guess that's the kind of opinion I'd have had too, if my view on Russia and Putin were entirely based on what I can get from the daily dose of usual western propaganda.
Must be easy living that way, no need to even attempt to see things from the other point of view.