Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

hobbers said:
I dont think these countries can afford to send so many Migs surely? They're not cheap.
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Highly unlikely, unless there is a deal with US/UK/Germany/Italy/France that in return those countries will get F15/F16/Eurofighter/Rafale. Obviously, Western countries wouldn’t be able to send their own fighters cause the Ukrainians wouldn’t know how to use them not having have any of them before.
 
MuFc_1992 said:
Think People were making that comment before realizing He's negotiating on behalf of Putin. I was on the same boat but based on what I've read he seems to be the only Russian Oligarch to respond to Ukraine's plea to assist them in the negotiations so, he's definitely a good guy in all this.
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Or one desperate to keep his ill-gotten spoils?
 
The 17 mile long russian convoy of artilery, tanks and logistics vehicles looks ominous for ukraine and kyiv as shown on BBC news.

Hope kyiv can hold out.
 
The Firestarter said:
Well I wouldn't mind if we actually had 100 operational MiGs to give 20, but the situation with the aviation is incredibly dire, so much so that we need Spanish and Dutch f-35 for air policing.
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Apologies for the misleading information. I thought it was in line with what the EU stated yesterday. Had to check out for some sources before posting.
 
People need to brake a little bit with this giving jets talk. It's not like you lend your car even if it is something the Ukrainians can fly, it needs to be the right modification or some training will be required, also I believe there is some localisation for language on the avionics.
 
Droid_Repairs said:
From a rando on Twitter, but appears to be a white tick name and some kind of military analyst. He quotes the Ukrainian ambassador:

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Hmmm...dont think he got this right. Theres no other outlets anywhere reporting a thermobaric bomb has been used in this conflict so far. The link on his tweet is to an article from 2000.
 
Revan said:
Shit. We were fearing this for a few days. This really escalates things to another level. A large thermobaric bomb is near as dangerous as a small tactical nuke.
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Not really. Closest to it conventionally though.
 
2mufc0 said:
Pretty sure they (Russians/Assad) were using these in Syria too.

Americans also used them in Afghanistan.
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The yanks used that MOAB a few years ago in Afghanistan, which I think is thermobaric? Either way was the largest non-nuke ever dropped. So there’s a precedent for it, regardless of any treaties and conventions that Putin clearly doesn’t give a feck about.
 
Perhaps I just don’t know where to look, and perhaps that level of detail just in any available, but I am personally surprised by the lack of tangible information about what is happening there. For example, obviously there is a battle for Kyiv and lots of talk about long convoys moving around. But I really don’t have a clue about the intensity or scale of the fighting at all. And little data on the scale of the Ukrainian army.
 
Spark said:
The yanks used that MOAB a few years ago in Afghanistan, which I think is thermobaric? Either way was the largest non-nuke ever dropped. So there’s a precedent for it, regardless of any treaties and conventions that Putin clearly doesn’t give a feck about.
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Yes, Putin won't care as long as he thinks he is advancing his objectives. He is one mistake away from escalating this to another level, which could be his use of TB weapons.
 
Spark said:
The yanks used that MOAB a few years ago in Afghanistan, which I think is thermobaric? Either way was the largest non-nuke ever dropped. So there’s a precedent for it, regardless of any treaties and conventions that Putin clearly doesn’t give a feck about.
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Ya I remember a lot of controversy around that in the US when Trump used it (against ISIS in 2017), those weapons should be outlawed.
 
rpitroda said:
Perhaps I just don’t know where to look, and perhaps that level of detail just in any available, but I am personally surprised by the lack of tangible information about what is happening there. For example, obviously there is a battle for Kyiv and lots of talk about long convoys moving around. But I really don’t have a clue about the intensity or scale of the fighting at all. And little data on the scale of the Ukrainian army.
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Look, I want to emphasize a disclaimer here: if you don't have the stomach, don't watch it.

But r/combatfootage has clips of this war. And it's intense as hell. We're talking vehicles being absolutely wrecked into the ground. Modern conventional warfare is a bitch.
 
rpitroda said:
Perhaps I just don’t know where to look, and perhaps that level of detail just in any available, but I am personally surprised by the lack of tangible information about what is happening there. For example, obviously there is a battle for Kyiv and lots of talk about long convoys moving around. But I really don’t have a clue about the intensity or scale of the fighting at all. And little data on the scale of the Ukrainian army.
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I mentioned that to a friend yesterday, and I think it is intentional. A lot of the info we're getting from journalists and analysts is coming from the Ukrainian govt, and also from US and UK govts on background. Those assessments of the Russian army get published quickly, but none of those sources are giving out anything about Ukrainian dispositions and strategy. So as a result the journalists have nothing to report on that side.
 
Has it always been Keev? Chicken Keev?

We can’t have got it wrong all this time.
 
atkar83 said:
From what I've read, Ukraine told foreign students to leave Ukraine weeks ago. There are a lot of Indian students stuck there too. Now that they're having to escort people out of danger areas they're prioritizing Ukrainians which kind of makes sense. Unless they're prioritizing white Ukrainians over black Ukrainians, but I don't think that's happening here
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We flew out some Indians students already, but quite a few are still stranded, and allegedly not being treated well. Videos and tweets about how they're being allegedly harrassed at Polish borders.



tomaldinho1 said:
The worry is how much normal Russian people are going to feel this massive economical fallout. Crazy that it seems one human being stands in the way of peace for millions, if any good comes from this it’s hopefully that Russia never gives one person such extreme power (and pay the small price of having their own version of EU countries messed up politics with all its inefficiencies and inadequacies).
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The economic fallout seems to be hitting them hard: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...one-russians-face-economic-point-of-no-return

Raoul said:
There is no face saving option for Putin at this point. He's far too overcommitted and nearing a point where EU and NATO are beginning to see cracks in his hold on power. In his own mind, his only out in all of this will be to take Ukraine by going ultra-violent. Anything else will be considered a weak capitulation involving him ruining the Russian economy while returning from Ukraine empty handed. Also, now that the international community has him in a weakened position, they aren't likely to remove the sanctions until he pays for the damage and destruction in Ukraine and signs an agreement to fund its reconstruction. He of course, isn't going to agree to any of these things and is incentivized to double down on taking Ukraine.
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Escalating war with the use of banned weaponry and targeting civilians, statements against countries aiding Ukraine - I agree that there doesn't seem to be a way back for Putin. With Europe stepping in (even Switzerland and Finland proactively joining Ukranian efforts is a strong statement), he is definitely outcast diplomatically and may also be outnumbered in military might. He is accountable for thousands of innocent Ukranian lives and the collapse of the Russian economy with no way out, I hope internal pressure takes him out before a scary endgame where he resorts to desperate measures.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
I honestly wonder what trump would have done in this situation.
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5% we'd all be dead by now, 95% Ukraine was staging a Putin parade today.

JJ12 said:
Has it always been Keev? Chicken Keev?

We can’t have got it wrong all this time.
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Kiev is the Russian version which shocked me because I thought all these news anchors were pronouncing it wrong.
 
big rons sovereign said:
He'd have sorted it out, probably the best sorting out in history, believe me. It would've been dealt with bigly.
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"Putin's a great man, trust me, I know him, I know him very well a great man. And his denazification of Ukraine has been amazing, absolutely amazing. And it's all thanks to me, believe me."
 
VorZakone said:
Look, I want to emphasize a disclaimer here: if you don't have the stomach, don't watch it.

But r/combatfootage has clips of this war. And it's intense as hell. We're talking vehicles being absolutely wrecked into the ground. Modern conventional warfare is a bitch.
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Haha, I’m absolutely not watching actual footage of it. I could stomach it but it’d really make me upset / angry even more at what’s happening. I’m not particularly seeking the information as such, I just thought it was an interesting observation.
 
A very interesting video which I'm in the process of watching analysing Putin's psyche.

The guy with the YouTube channel has been on my wavelength with regard to Corona and called quite a few things right (although I only found him recently)

It's a bit of a long watch.

 
Mickeza said:
Might be true:

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Why does everyone on Twitter feel the need to be an expert? Open your mouth so your lungs don't explode? :lol: The vacuum effect is overplayed, if you're in range to be concerned about that, you're dead from the explosion.
 
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