Tevez

If Tevez leaves, someone at the top fecked up.

Him leaving would make us weaker and a rival stronger - He is a talented, hard working player who has his heart in the right place - not much more you could ask for.
 
Ekeke said:
You've missed the point of it, actually. :wenger:

He's the guy saying its "only" Blackburn, when Berbatov has scored against "only" West Brom and Stoke in the league this season.

Rooney is the only one of the three strikers who have scored against decent opposition in the league this year, other than the one Tevez' strike against Liverpool. Berbatov is yet to register in a decent matchup.
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You might be onto something here mate; last season, Tevez scored against Chelsea and Liverpool plus Roma and Lyon in the Champions League. He has also scored versus Liverpool in the limited chances he has had so far.
Berbatov has since been involved versus Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea and hasn't produced in any of them, not even a good performance to be honest when you know Tevez will scapr to the death.
 
Johnno said:
Berbatov has since been involved versus Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea and hasn't produced in any of them, not even a good performance to be honest when you know Tevez will scapr to the death.
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Liverpool was his first match for us, Chelsea his third, and he didn't even have a proper pre-season. Not fair to make judgments based on those.

As someone said in some thread Tevez had his chance to stake his claim against Villa and Villareal. Unfortunately for him we looked a lot more threatening against City, coincidentally when Berbatov returned.
 
Laphroaig said:
Liverpool was his first match for us, Chelsea his third, and he didn't even have a proper pre-season. Not fair to make judgments based on those.

As someone said in some thread Tevez had his chance to stake his claim against Villa and Villareal. Unfortunately for him we looked a lot more threatening against City, coincidentally when Berbatov returned.
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By the same token, was it his fourth or fifth game Berbabtov finally found the net? Can you see my point? It's interesting to remember back the media and fans on here were asking when he would score for us until he netted twice against Aalborg. And that was after five full games. Given a chance Tevez will be shite-hot, especially after scoring a hat-trick
 
Red4Ever said:
Why all the comparisons?


Different players both are red at the moment thankfully and we need both
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No, no; good point but people start with "but Tevez had his chance and didn't score in the two games he did play" etc so my respite was to remind those Berbatov took a fair while before he got off the mark and now he's reverred.
My point is Tevez is already established; we all saw what he did last season, we all know what he can do and WILL do for us yet people have their Bulgarian blinkers on....
But getting back to your point, yes it's great we have these two excellent strikers along with Rooney, Ronaldo etc and now hopefully Ferguson will begin to utilise them better, as I don't believe he has been with Tevez.
 
Johnno said:
No, no; good point but people start with "but Tevez had his chance and didn't score in the two games he did play" etc so my respite was to remind those Berbatov took a fair while before he got off the mark and now he's reverred.
My point is Tevez is already established; we all saw what he did last season, we all know what he can do and WILL do for us yet people have their Bulgarian blinkers on....
But getting back to your point, yes it's great we have these two excellent strikers along with Rooney, Ronaldo etc and now hopefully Ferguson will begin to utilise them better, as I don't believe he has been with Tevez.
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yup

anyone who ever disses Tevez gets this from me




2007/8

Liverpool, Chelsea, Lyon, Spurs, Blackburn massive goals

He deserves respect
 
Johnno said:
No, no; good point but people start with "but Tevez had his chance and didn't score in the two games he did play" etc so my respite was to remind those Berbatov took a fair while before he got off the mark and now he's reverred.
My point is Tevez is already established; we all saw what he did last season, we all know what he can do and WILL do for us yet people have their Bulgarian blinkers on....
But getting back to your point, yes it's great we have these two excellent strikers along with Rooney, Ronaldo etc and now hopefully Ferguson will begin to utilise them better, as I don't believe he has been with Tevez.
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Agree with just about everything there Johnno me lad. Tevez doesn't have to prove himself. He's a world class player and I was really upset when he was dropped after playing so well, for the silky smooth (ie fkn lazy) berb man. I'm sorry but for me so far Berbatov is like the King with no clothes...he's fantastic, yes, scores great goals, yes....but when's he going to do it for us? I'm sure he will though..............eventually.
Tevez gets me going every time I watch him. He's a terrier. He never stops. Have you watched him thro the game.....he's everywhere. Great entertainment.
We all knew this was going to happen when we were about to sign Berbatov. We discussed it to death. And here we are. No solution still. Fergie admits he has a problem cos we're all basically of the opinion that Berbatov and Rooney work best at this time, but times change and I do believe our 30 zillion pound players understand it's a team effort at United. Your time will come. Just be ready. That's why we win. No one player is bigger than the club. We're the biggest club in the world. All our players must be ready to come in for any game. Personal glory is secondary at United. I believe Fergie and the team all understand this. Tevez also.
God I love that boy Rafael. If Fabio is as good we're in for a feast.
 
Red4Ever said:
True but Tevez will have plenty of games

We are in five tournaments this year
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That is a fair point. My belief is that Tevez will leave next Summer which is why Ferguson wants Rooney-Berbatov to succeed which will only be to the detriment of Tevez.
 
Johnno said:
By the same token, was it his fourth or fifth game Berbabtov finally found the net? Can you see my point? It's interesting to remember back the media and fans on here were asking when he would score for us until he netted twice against Aalborg. And that was after five full games. Given a chance Tevez will be shite-hot, especially after scoring a hat-trick
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I agree to an extent. I think Tevez has had plenty of chances to prove himself this season, and usually wasted them. I also think he was immense in the pre-season, at least compared to the rest of the team.

I am a huge Berbatov fan, I think he's something special and I could watch him all day long. He brings both vision and calmness to our game, and those assets are invaluable, and I believe that has shown so far this season.

I still love Tevez, and when he's on form he's world class. He just unfortunate (and fortunate at the same time, I suppose) to be at the same club as Rooney and Berbatov. Let's hope he'll continue to take his chances in the same manner as tonight. Our strike force is, or could be, monstrous.

(And by the way I was mistaken. He only came on as a substitue against Villar. Or Villareal. I seem to confuse those two matches.)
 
I liken the current situation of having Ronney, Tevez and Berbatov to having Beckham, Scholes and Veron in the same side; it doesn't fit and there's going to be a loser and it seems to me Tevez will be the one to lose out and that will be a massive mistake as it's totally unneccessary.
Berbatov a great player be, but at the expense of losing Tevez? Seems silly to me. We aren't strengthening the squad if we are ultimately driving Tevez out of Old Trafford...
 
Johnno said:
I liken the current situation of having Ronney, Tevez and Berbatov to having Beckham, Scholes and Veron in the same side; it doesn't fit and there's going to be a loser and it seems to me Tevez will be the one to lose out and that will be a massive mistake as it's totally unneccessary.
Berbatov a great player be, but at the expense of losing Tevez? Seems silly to me. We aren't strengthening the squad if we are ultimately driving Tevez out of Old Trafford...
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.....unless they all understand that they are all needed if we are to win all these tings. Forget the media and the hype and the fans. I would imagine they are all for the team and winning things as a team. I f not then they shouldn't be at United and if that's how Tevez feels then maybe he should leave in the summer. However, if he does understand, he'll be here till he retires!
 
Your overall analysis may or may not be correct, but I hope it's not. However, as previously stated I do feel that Berbatov is something special, and he will prove to be so. If one of the three will leave, I would prefer Tevez to be the one. Hopefully Fergie can figure out how to make space for all of them. Once upon a time we had Cole, Yorke, Solskjaer and Sheringham...

Oh, and BahamaRed pretty much said the things I didn't but should've.
 
Laphroaig said:
Your overall analysis may or may not be correct, but I hope it's not. However, as previously stated I do feel that Berbatov is something special, and he will prove to be so. If one of the three will leave, I would prefer Tevez to be the one. Hopefully Fergie can figure out how to make space for all of them. Once upon a time we had Cole, Yorke, Solskjaer and Sheringham...
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There is decisive difference between the Cole/Yorke/Teddy/Ole situation to this one and that is Sheringham was 33 at the time and acknowledged he would be used to a certain degree and never fully expected to start every game; Ole was bought as a perpipheral figure a couple of years earlier and had been used as a third striker behind Cantona, Cole, Sheringham already in that timeframe, so he again never expected to play every game. So we had two players right there whom eveyone, fans, players themselves and the manager knew rotation was very much a keypart.
Players like Rooney, Berbatov and Tevez would get in any team in the world and are all World Class, all three of them. I can't see anyone denying that, so in that respect this is a different cup of tea from the Awesome Foursome of 1999.
 
Johnno said:
There is decisive difference between the Cole/Yorke/Teddy/Ole situation to this one and that is Sheringham was 33 at the time and acknowledged he would be used to a certain degree and never fully expected to start every game; Ole was bought as a perpipheral figure a couple of years earlier and had been used as a third striker behind Cantona, Cole, Sheringham already in that timeframe, so he again never expected to play every game. So we had two players right there whom eveyone, fans, players themselves and the manager knew rotation was very much a keypart.
Players like Rooney, Berbatov and Tevez would get in any team in the world and are all World Class, all three of them. I can't see anyone denying that, so in that respect this is a different cup of tea from the Awesome Foursome of 1999.
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All of that is correct Johnno but it still needed understanding and patience. In most cases, in other teams, players get upset when they are not playing all the time. But its different at United. Its different because WE WIN THINGS. We win things because we have Fergie's Formulas. If ya fk with that you're gone. Accept it, go with the program and you'll be a legend.
 
Solution for Fergie would be to play all three up from against Sunderland. We can play Tevez and Roney up front while Berbs is slightly further behind. Rooney and Tevez' strength in tackling opponents and harrying back will create gaps. These gaps can be exploied by Berbs beautiful vision and measuerd-weight throughballls for Rooney, Ronaldo,Tevez...


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To compensate for our midfield's lack of width down the left, Rooneh and Tevez can take turns to be auxiliary midfielder down the flanks when defending
 
BahamaRed said:
All of that is correct Johnno but it still needed understanding and patience. In most cases, in other teams, players get upset when they are not playing all the time. But its different at United. Its different because WE WIN THINGS. We win things because we have Fergie's Formulas. If ya fk with that you're gone. Accept it, go with the program and you'll be a legend.
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Hopefully Tevez is a man of patience but when players like Eagles, Smith and Saha leave United due to too much time on the bench, how do you feel when players of Tevez's calibre feel? And I have given examples of players from varying levels of ability, Eagles being lower, Smith next then Saha who borders on being excellent to Tevez who is of course in the top bracket.
I agree with the fecking about with the formulas and the thing is, Fergie is fecking his own formula up in my opinion.
 
Longlivekeano said:
Solution for Fergie would be to play all three up from against Sunderland. We can play Tevez and Roney up front while Berbs is slightly further behind. Rooney and Tevez' strength in tackling opponents and harrying back will create gaps. These gaps can be exploied by Berbs beautiful vision and measuerd-weight throughballls for Rooney, Ronaldo,Tevez...


-----------------------Back 5---------------------


-----------------Scholes---Carrick-----------------


-----------------------------------------Ronaldo--


-----------------------Berbetov------------------


---------------Rooneh----------Tevez------------


To compensate for our midfield's lack of width down the left, Rooneh and Tevez can take turns to be auxiliary midfielder down the flanks when defending
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United would need Beckenbauer
 
For what reason do we have to include Berbatov? Tevez and Rooney worked fine without him last year. Might do him some good, also. We've seen the best of Rooney this year after he was dropped, now the best of Tevez last night after he was dropped. Might spur him on to more impressive performances and at the end of the day he needs to understand like the other two, at United you dont rest on your laurels or your price tag. You perform to an outstanding level each week else someone else might come in and do it instead.
 
The problem with Tevez is that he has been getting frustrated by his time on the bench, but his performances when he has had a chance have been poor. So he hasn't really given Fergie a reason to keep him in the starting team.

Now that he's finally put in a good performance and has his confidence up, he should definitely start the next game. Use the Tevez/Rooney combo again, and then Tevez/Berbatov in the following game (or vice versa). Anything else would be bad man-management, and would strongly indicate for me that Fergie doesn't truly intend to keep him for next season.

None of the three will be upset with the occasional spot on the bench. But being a distinct third choice and often overlooked - they are all too good for that.
 
Amazing eprformance from Carlitos yesterday!

He must play against Sunderland, with one of Rooney or Berba being benched.
 
Tibs said:
Amazing eprformance from Carlitos yesterday!

He must play against Sunderland, with one of Rooney or Berba being benched.
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Which one would you drop then? Rooney just scored the winner in one of the most vital matches we played this season and Berbatov has been impressive in the past few weeks so much so that I'm starting to change my mind on him (I never really rated him before he came to United). Tevez was great yesterday no doubt, Evans has also shown on occasion that he is a quality player. Should we have dropped either Rio or Vidic as well?
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Which one would you drop then? Rooney just scored the winner in one of the most vital matches we played this season and Berbatov has been impressive in the past few weeks so much so that I'm starting to change my mind on him (I never really rated him before he came to United). Tevez was great yesterday no doubt, Evans has also shown on occasion that he is a quality player. Should we have dropped either Rio or Vidic as well?
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Evans is a £30 million defender now is he? :lol:
 
Ekeke said:
Evans is a £30 million defender now is he? :lol:
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Nope just like Tevez isn't a £30 million striker.

Anyway I would have thought my point was clear, but I'll rephrase, just because a player has a good game midweek, doesn't mean you should faff about a line up that has generally worked.
 
marcus agrippa said:
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No, he wrote finishing skills, not fishing skills.
 
Ruudy10 said:
Yes! What more does he need to show to start in the Premiership`?`? If he doesnt got the regular spot soon, ill start thinking SAF has lost it! He really showed today what a player he is, running his socks of, dribbling scoring and all in perfection!! I was really proud of him today, and really happy for him!! Congrats Carlitos! Please start him now SAF!!! :devil::devil:
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Ah ha one of the fans who was shouting for SAF to go a few years back outed? Giving SAF record if he dropped Rooney, Ronaldo and Rio i'd back him without question! :devil:
 
Longlivekeano said:
Solution for Fergie would be to play all three up from against Sunderland. We can play Tevez and Roney up front while Berbs is slightly further behind. Rooney and Tevez' strength in tackling opponents and harrying back will create gaps. These gaps can be exploied by Berbs beautiful vision and measuerd-weight throughballls for Rooney, Ronaldo,Tevez...


-----------------------Back 5---------------------


-----------------Scholes---Carrick-----------------


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-----------------------Berbetov------------------


---------------Rooneh----------Tevez------------


To compensate for our midfield's lack of width down the left, Rooneh and Tevez can take turns to be auxiliary midfielder down the flanks when defending
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Tried at least twice before. Playing all 4 does not work. Infact its actually put us under alot of pressure in the past. You wouldnt play Cole, Yorke, Sherringham and Ole so why do it now?
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Anyway I would have thought my point was clear, but I'll rephrase, just because a player has a good game midweek, doesn't mean you should faff about a line up that has generally worked.
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Generally worked? Hm, but we've not exactly been as dominating and over-powering as last season surely?

You could hardly say that what we have now in the forward line [Rooney and Berbatov both] is this form of perfection that is up to denying someoen like Tevez the rewarded for playing like he did. There has been patience, you now present opportunities.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Generally worked? Hm, but we've not exactly been as dominating and over-powering as last season surely?

You could hardly say that what we have now in the forward line [Rooney and Berbatov both] is this form of perfection that is up to denying someoen like Tevez the rewarded for playing like he did. There has been patience, you now present opportunities.
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Rooney has probably been our most threatening striker so far this season. Berbatov has shown already how important he is to the team as we seeming failed to lack any imagination during the matches he was injured. They are denying Tevez a place in the starting line up quite rightly, particularly as yesterday was the first match Tevez has produced any kind of goal threat since August.

I know Tevez scored a hat-trick yesterday and a lot of people are giddy but he hasn't automatically usurped the standing order just yet.
 
so what happens if at the end of next summer we don't sign him and pay 32MGBP?? does he go back to West Ham??
 
ripley said:
so what happens if at the end of next summer we don't sign him and pay 32MGBP?? does he go back to West Ham??
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No, they don't have anything to do with him now. He's owned by MSI.
 
Floyd said:
No, they don't have anything to do with him now. He's owned by MSI.
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free agent then??

why don't we wait till he's a free agent then??

or would it be too late?? someone like REAL would pick him up before then ay?
 
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