The Fraizer Campbell Watch

I don't know why people keep on comparing Campbell with Bojan. I mean they are two different type of strikers playing with a different team (ie different mentality) and in a different league. Barcelona tend to give loads of space to their homegrown strikers while we haven't had a homegrown striker playing week in week out since Mark Hughes.


Mind you, Bojan is a great talent. Unfortunately I doubt that a 5.7 ft 17 year old striker would have played as many games with us as he would have done with Barcelona. He would be probably first loaned to a Championship side, then abroad and then with another EPL side. If he does well (and he has the patience to stick to us) he would be given the 4th striker spot or else he may be pushed in midfield where his lack of inches won't hinder us at all (as we did to Scholes).
 
BAMSOLA said:
That in itself is probably more of a stupidly thoughtout retaliation to some of the over-hyping of foreign talent that goes on around here. Bojan is as you say one of the best young talents in the world and has achieved far more at youth level than Campbell has.

That said Bojan and a couple of other great foreign talents aside there is a general down rating of non-united english talent as oposed to over-hyping of foreign talent.
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Perhaps you're right. I suppose people always get more excited by teh prospect of a young foereign player who'll be the "next" whoever, than a lad who has come through the youth ranks at an English club.
 
Scholesy said:
The most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here.

Bojan has probably 50 caps for Barca, hes 17/18. Campbell is 21, and has the odd cap for us.

Campbell is championship class imo. Im afraid hes not going to make it with us.

I have said before, his effort is sensational, but the rest of his play is very average -championship-, bar his finishing.
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They key part of your post is the letters IMO. I don't see why every wiseacre on here feels this urge to tell me about Bojan's record. I didn't make my statement while living under a rock. I did it fully aware and with full knowledge of Bojan's exploits. A record he got via being blessed enough to be at a big club that gives huge chances to youngsters very early in their careers. On top of the fact Ronaldinho, Henry and Do santos were all in a bad way when he broke though. Making it easier for a kid of his considerable talents to get a chance. If Campbell was at Barcelona right now most of you wouldn't be so quick to diss him. For he would have got his chance real early over there and wouldn't just be looked at as mere potential. But as a star. For he is clearly above championship standard.
Nothing he has doen in aSpurs shirt so far has shown other wise.

Furthermore, the way some on here have been talking one would think Campbell is so shit that's why unlike Bojan, he has got no chances here because he has had it so easy trying to get into a forward line with the world best player Ronaldo, an inform Tevez, the awesome Wayne Rooney and now the mercurial Berbartov, over the past 2 years. A task so hard to do that Rossi, considered to be the future of Italian football by respected Italian figures, left here having hardly played a games for us but is now a star in what was the second strongest side in La liga last season.

To put it simply, you have your opinion, I have mine. So quit trying to act like you lot are "educating me" on a subject I'm some how green on.
 
RedRover said:
Perhaps you're right. I suppose people always get more excited by teh prospect of a young foereign player who'll be the "next" whoever, than a lad who has come through the youth ranks at an English club.
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It depends on the person. I mean, there are still some people who thinks that Rooney is a better player then Ronaldo for example.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
They key part of your post is the letters IMO. I don't see why every wiseacre on here feels this urge to tell me about Bojan's record. I didn't make my statement while living under a rock. I did it fully aware and with full knowledge of Bojan's exploits. A record he got via being blessed enough to be at a big club that gives huge chances to youngsters very early in their careers. On top of the fact Ronaldinho, Henry and Do santos were all in a bad way when he broke though. Making it easier for a kid of his considerable talents to get a chance. If Campbell was at Barcelona right now most of you wouldn't be so quick to diss him. For he would have got his chance real early over there and wouldn't just be looked at as mere potential. But as a star. For he is clearly above championship standard.
Nothing he has doen in aSpurs shirt so far has shown other wise.

Furthermore, the way some on here have been talking one would think Campbell is so shit that's why unlike Bojan, he has got no chances here because he has had it so easy trying to get into a forward line with the world best player Ronaldo, an inform Tevez, the awesome Wayne Rooney and now the mercurial Berbartov, over the past 2 years. A task so hard to do that Rossi, considered to be the future of Italian football by respected Italian figures, left here having hardly played a games for us but is now a star in what was the second strongest side in La liga last season.

To put it simply, you have your opinion, I have mine. So quit trying to act like you lot are "educating me" on a subject I'm some how green on.
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Come on Chief I like you think anybody who says Campbell is championship class only is an idiot and is guilty of exactly the kind of underating of English talent that I've talked about.

However he is not yet in Bojan's class. We do need to be baring in mind that alot of Bojan's reputation is based not just on the excellent player he is now but also on the player he has the potential to be, potential is a strang thing and within 2-3 season who knows campbell progress might be such that nobody would question the view that Campbell is the better player. However for now Bojan is the better player by quite a distance.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Come on Chief I like you think anybody who says Campbell is championship class only is an idiot and is guilty of exactly the kind of underating of English talent that I've talked about.

However he is not yet in Bojan's class. We do need to be baring in mind that alot of Bojan's reputation is based not just on the excellent player he is now but also on the player he has the potential to be, potential is a strang thing and within 2-3 season who knows campbell progress might be such that nobody would question the view that Campbell is the better player. However for now Bojan is the better player by quite a distance.
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Yes, Bojan is better ATM. I won't deny that. People should not get me wrong on that. Because he has more experience and has been given more exposure. To develop his talent further. But I'm convinced, by looking at their talents alone, Campbell is the better all round talent. That is why I rate him higher. Though he just hasn't been as fortunate, as Bojan has been at such a young age. & I'm saying this because I've seen players start out young than others doing wonders and yet get over taken in the long term. Ronaldo and Rooney are a great example. Rooney at 18 was better. Right now you'd be hard pressed to prove Rooney is even as good.

It's like if I were talking about Fabregas and Anderson for example. Fabregas is far better as a player right now. But I can bet my house Anderson is the bigger talent overall. & likely to go on to be the better player in the long term. Given proper playing time and freedom from injuries. Which doesn't negate from the fact Fabregas retains the potential to become far better than he is now.
 
devilish said:
I don't know why people keep on comparing Campbell with Bojan. I mean they are two different type of strikers playing with a different team (ie different mentality) and in a different league. Barcelona tend to give loads of space to their homegrown strikers while we haven't had a homegrown striker playing week in week out since Mark Hughes.


Mind you, Bojan is a great talent. Unfortunately I doubt that a 5.7 ft 17 year old striker would have played as many games with us as he would have done with Barcelona. He would be probably first loaned to a Championship side, then abroad and then with another EPL side. If he does well (and he has the patience to stick to us) he would be given the 4th striker spot or else he may be pushed in midfield where his lack of inches won't hinder us at all (as we did to Scholes).
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Spot on. If Bojan was here he would have suffered Rossi's fate. Spain was the best place for a talent like his to shine at his age. Or Arsenal...
 
Brwned said:
He might have.

Bojan's finishing ability, versatility and movement are all a step above Rossi's and could have helped his cause.
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He is definitely not a better finisher than Rossi. Nor as strong. Just more verstaile. I also fail to see why you think his movement is superior. When Rossi gave our back 4 more headache than Bojan did against us over two legs...Due to his movement. But that's just my opinion..

Besides, at United he wouldn't have got a game on our flanks or our midfield. Leaving only upfront for a first team chance ala Rossi. And we both know finishing & movement were not the reasons Rossi hardly got playing time for us.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
He is definitely not a better finisher than Rossi. Nor as strong. Just more verstaile. I also fail to see why you think his movement is superior. When Rossi gave our back 4 more headache than Bojan did against us over two legs...Due to his movement. But that's just my opinion..

Besides, at United he wouldn't have got a game on our flanks or our midfield. Leaving only upfront for a first team chance ala Rossi. And we both know finishing & movement were not the reasons Rossi hardly got playing time for us.
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And that's just it Chief, I don't think of you as someone who's bisased but you are right now.

Bojan played against us for 50 minutes, Rossi played 90 minutes against us. Bojan's movement was clear to see, Rossi struggled big time in having an impact up front on his own because of his movement. He threatened twice, both outside of the box and both because he dropped deep.

Bojan's movement and positional sense is much better.
 
Lizard King said:
To be fair to Rossi, he was playing in a defensive Villarreal team. Hardly the attacking team of Barcelona with players like Messi, Eto'o, Xavi or Iniesta.
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Well yeah, I agree.

I don't think he suits that role well at all either, he was far too isolated.

But I don't think he showed any more than Bojan did though, I thought Bojan came on and did well against us at the Nou Camp.
 
Brwned said:
Well yeah, I agree.

I don't think he suits that role well at all either, he was far too isolated.

But I don't think he showed any more than Bojan did though, I thought Bojan came on and did well against us at the Nou Camp.
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Fair enough. I can't really fault you for an honest view. But I'm really not biased. I just wasn't overly impressed with Bojan's display against us. Especially since Barca had all the ball in both legs. Plus he was in his in a natural position for him. Yet he seemed rather light weight and didn't cause us undue problems with his play or movement. Which disappointed me. For I like him as player. But to be fair to him he was like 17. You'd have to be Messi, Ronaldo or Rooney to give Rio and co headcahes at that age. I might be forced to revise my opinion if we come up against him in 2 years time. At the age Rossi is now. Or sooner. I can't rule that out. But for now I'm sticking to my guns. Who knows. I might be doing an alamo here.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Spot on. If Bojan was here he would have suffered Rossi's fate. Spain was the best place for a talent like his to shine at his age. Or Arsenal...
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Spanish football is played at much lower tempo and is much less physical then the EPL. Players are allowed more space and time to think + they are protected more by the referees. That is why smallish young players like Bojan and Messi are played regularly in the Spanish Liga and that is why Forlan, Pique and Rossi had succeeded in Spain while failing in the EPL.

Many of you may not know this but we had actually lost one of the biggest gems of the Fergie babes prematurely. His name was Ben Thornley and he was rated by Harrison at par with Ryan Giggs (and better then Beckham). Unfortunately he suffered a career threatening injury which ruined his chances to make it at the highest levels. That is why technical young players rarely make it with us at a very young age. They just have to be protected until their physique can endure the punishment. In Spain you don't have that problem.
 
devilish said:
Spanish football is played at much lower tempo and is much less physical. Players are allowed more space and time to think + they are protected more by the referees. That is why players like Forlan, Pique and Rossi and succeeded in Spain while failing in the EPL.
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Pique and Rossi failed?

I thought they did quite alright myself.
 
Brwned said:
Pique and Rossi failed?

I thought they did quite alright myself.
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Rossi never actually made it in the EPL. If Wiki is right his record in the EPL is that of 16 games and 1 goal.

Pique did faired better but he had never managed to break down the Brown - Rio - Vidic dominance over the CB spots + was finally pushed lower in the pecking order by Evans.
 
devilish said:
Rossi never actually made it in the EPL. If Wiki is right his record in the EPL is that of 16 games and 1 goal.

Pique did faired better but he had never managed to break down the Brown - Rio - Vidic dominance over the CB spots + was finally pushed lower in the pecking order by Evans.
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He started one league game for us and scored a goal in his entire career with us.

He started 2 FA Cup games and scored two goals in his entire career with us.

Not what I'd call a failure. Not a success either obviously, but it's unfair to say he failed.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Also in the eyes of every Shrewd football observers to be fair.
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I don't agree with the Chief, but you can see where he's coming from.

He has the raw assets of pace, strength(in relative terms) and work-rate that Bojan doesn't have and probably never will.

Campbell can work on his technique, decision making etc. in the long-term, Bojan can't work on his pace.
 
Brwned said:
I don't agree with the Chief, but you can see where he's coming from.

He has the raw assets of pace, strength(in relative terms) and work-rate that Bojan doesn't have and probably never will.

Campbell can work on his technique, decision making etc. in the long-term, Bojan can't work on his pace.
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Not sure why people think he hasn't got pace, yes he's not as fast as Campbell (not many are) but he does have considerable pace. I also think that there are alot of people assuming that he doesn't have things in his game as opposed to knowing he doesn't.

He has excellent work rate and I wouldn't even give Campbell the edge in this respect i would say they are both strikers who at both their ages tend to chase lost causes. They both have excellent work rate.

I would however give Campbell the edge in terms of strength, Bojan is very slight whereas Campbell need only bulk up a little to have the same body strength of a player like Samuel Eto'o.

I can certainly see that Campbell could become the better player in 2 season or so but right now Bojan is clearly the better player.
 
Bamsola, you're beginning to see what I was saying. It's not that Bojan is slow or has no work rate. Or poor player. He simply can't match Campbell' raw natural attributes. His extra work rate, striking pace, physical strength.

Meanwhile Campbell is as two footed as Bojan, not that far behind in his link up play, and can beat people too. Plus he also possess the intelligence to make great striker runs, and is an excellent finisher. Similar to Bojan. Though Bojan is more intelligent and a slightly better finisher.

So yes Bojan is ahead in development and by far the better player now. But has physical disadvantages compared to Campbell that he will never correct. Yet it isn't beyond the realms of possibility or Campbell to catch up with him technically.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Bamsolam, your begining to see what I was saying. It's not that Bojan is slow or has no work rate. Or pure player. He simply can't match Campbell' raw natural attributes. His extra work rate, striking pace, physical strength.

Meanwhile Campbell is as two footed as Bojan, not that far behind in his link up play, and can beat people too. Plus he also possess the intelligence to make great striker runs, and is an excellent finisher. Similar to Bojan. Though Bojan is more intelligent and a slightly better finisher

So yes Bojan is ahead in development and by far the better player now. But has physical disadvantages compared to Campbell that he will never correct. Yet it isn't beyond the realms of possibility or Campbell to catch up with him technically.
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Yes and I have said that Campbell could be the better player in 2 season but it would require either Frazier to make Extraordinary progress or Bojan to suffer from a huge lack of progress.

However the original question was is Frazier Campbell a better player then Bojan, and the simple answer is no not at this point in time, although he has everything required to be a top class player with the right progression.
 
devilish said:
Rossi never actually made it in the EPL. If Wiki is right his record in the EPL is that of 16 games and 1 goal.

Pique did faired better but he had never managed to break down the Brown - Rio - Vidic dominance over the CB spots + was finally pushed lower in the pecking order by Evans.
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Failing to break the best cb pairing in the world at the moment is failure now? He was a clear number 3 defender until he left to Barca, Evans did not demote him down the pecking order.
 
I like the fact that Campbell can come in to the team after a few games on the bench and make an immediate impact. It's a great asset for a striker to have since they tend to get rotated more than other positions. Tevez take note.
 
surf said:
I like the fact that Campbell can come in to the team after a few games on the bench and make an immediate impact. It's a great asset for a striker to have since they tend to get rotated more than other positions. Tevez take note.
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I actually thought Tevez would be able to do that job well with his work-rate against tiring defenders and knack of scoring late goals. Seems like I was wrong though. :(

If Campbell turned out to be our new super sub that would be brilliant.
 
krazyrobus said:
Failing to break the best cb pairing in the world at the moment is failure now? He was a clear number 3 defender until he left to Barca, Evans did not demote him down the pecking order.
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Not strictly true, Pique was tried as a number 3 defender but eventually SAF went with Brown as the first choice back up. Hence why Brown played in the middle and Hargreaves would play at right back towards the end of the season. The only exception was the Arsenal game. Pique was easily let go because Evans was there. There would have been a stronger fight to keep him otherwise.
 
Many of you seem to be ignoring the ages of the players involved in this comparison. Rossi and Campbell are 21, Bojan is 18. Rossi and Campbell are better now than they were 3 years ago, and you can be sure Bojan will have progressed further by the time he reaches their age.

And 'Bojan can never improve his pace' is not a valid argument. He doesn't need to improve his pace to be top class. He is far from slow and doesn't require sprinters pace like Campbell does for the style of game he plays.

Right now Bojan is the superior talent and has the better potential. I would be surprised if Campbell is ever the better striker of the two.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Yes and I have said that Campbell could be the better player in 2 season but it would require either Frazier to make Extraordinary progress or Bojan to suffer from a huge lack of progress.
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Bojan doesn't have to lack progress for a Campbell to catch him to be fair. Because the truth is Bojan can't get so much better. Only more consistent and stronger. For His techinique, intelligence and awarness IMO are already almost fully developed. Experience will only make him use these more devastatingly than he does now. No matter the oppostion. Rather than improve them dramtically. Similar infact to what has happened with Rooney and hwo Ron caught up.. Rooney was closer to his full maturity than Ronaldo when they came out. So the last inch has been a bit slower for him to reach. Because it going to be more down to experience. & mastering one or two things, than massive progress for him to fufil his massive potential.

While for a Campbell, his maturity as player has to catch up with his impresive natural physical attributes for him to compete. Like it happened for Ronaldo. & if it does, there's no reason why he can't equal or even surpass a Bojan.


BAMSOLA said:
However the original question was is Frazier Campbell a better player then Bojan, and the simple answer is no not at this point in time, although he has everything required to be a top class player with the right progression.
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Agreed.
 
Is Campbell really that good? Are we are talking about Bojan, who is the new-rising superstar playing for Barcelona (who sometimes outshone Henry, Messi, Eto'o in the game)?
 
It will take a few seasons as the two players progress to see who is the overall better player.For now Bojan is better but if given a chance with United,I believe Campbell will show his true worth.
 
surf said:
I like the fact that Campbell can come in to the team after a few games on the bench and make an immediate impact. It's a great asset for a striker to have since they tend to get rotated more than other positions. Tevez take note.
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You did watch last season's United games, didnt you? Or do you just have a short memory?
 
Did anyone watch the final 30 of Spuds-Everton? According to Sky Fraizer had a superb cameo, but then again their player ratings are usually rubbish.
 
Elliott said:
Did anyone watch the final 30 of Spuds-Everton? According to Sky Fraizer had a superb cameo, but then again their player ratings are usually rubbish.
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I don't know about today but the Spurs fans I know rate him as much better than bent an 18mill buy
 
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