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Name Changed said:
Do you reckon GSP is physically good enough to compete at 185 against the likes of Anderson Silva? He could end up fighting other fighters much bigger than him like Dan Henderson, etc.
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i **** he could go up a weight...

he would have weighted between 182 and 185 (according to gsp himself) when he got in the ring with bj penn... thats how much water he cuts to fight at 170... so i think he could quite comfortably over 4 months go up...

in fact hes 27 now so i almost expect him to end up going up a weight in a few years as then he wouldnt need to cut as much...

not sure its the right time for him to do it now... but on the other hand if he wants to be a legend then fighting and beating silva could do that for him... but that would be a tough fight to call...
 
Bloody hell, poor predictions by me, although I was pretty sure GSP was going to win it was more wishful thinking picking BJ.

BJ's people have filed a complaint against GSP, he reckons he'd used baby oil on his back so BJ couldnt pull rubber guard - dont know if this is just sour grapes or a legitimate claim, I thought BJ's best chance of victory would be submitting GSP whilst BJ was on his back so it could be a legitimate claim?
 
Handjob Bob said:
Bloody hell, poor predictions by me, although I was pretty sure GSP was going to win it was more wishful thinking picking BJ.

BJ's people have filed a complaint against GSP, he reckons he'd used baby oil on his back so BJ couldnt pull rubber guard - dont know if this is just sour grapes or a legitimate claim, I thought BJ's best chance of victory would be submitting GSP whilst BJ was on his back so it could be a legitimate claim?
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BJ didn't look like he had any ideas at all and he didn't look anywhere close to a submission. GSP was just too powerful and dominant.
 
Handjob Bob said:
Bloody hell, poor predictions by me, although I was pretty sure GSP was going to win it was more wishful thinking picking BJ.

BJ's people have filed a complaint against GSP, he reckons he'd used baby oil on his back so BJ couldnt pull rubber guard - dont know if this is just sour grapes or a legitimate claim, I thought BJ's best chance of victory would be submitting GSP whilst BJ was on his back so it could be a legitimate claim?
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i thik they claimed vasaline from what ive seen on different sites... which would be hard to prove as all fighters use it on their face anyway so gloves slip and dont cut as much...

in truth though if they felt that the corner would have called the ref over after the 1st round imo
 
WOW @ the allegations of cheating.

Bold, but it's not as if Penn put himself into a decent position all fight.
 
Name Changed said:
BJ didn't look like he had any ideas at all and he didn't look anywhere close to a submission. GSP was just too powerful and dominant.
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First couple of rounds he tried pulling rubber guard - I think Joe Rogan even mentioned it at the time that BJ doesnt have legs but 4 arms while he was trying it.

Its a bit a strange claim especially when he got battered from start to finish, but I did predict that BJ would be expecting to be constantly taken down & his tactics coming into the fight had to be to do something when GSP was on top.
 
From what I was reading on MMA forums, people were calling for the trainer to be banned but weren't really accusing GSP of knowingly cheating. It has been nicknamed Vasilinegate or something like that,
 
EZee said:
i thik they claimed vasaline from what ive seen on different sites... which would be hard to prove as all fighters use it on their face anyway so gloves slip and dont cut as much...

in truth though if they felt that the corner would have called the ref over after the 1st round imo
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No your right - it was Vaseline & not baby oil, my mistake.

Probably sour grapes his claim as like you said, he could have mentioned it during the fight.
 
EZee said:
i thik they claimed vasaline from what ive seen on different sites... which would be hard to prove as all fighters use it on their face anyway so gloves slip and dont cut as much...

in truth though if they felt that the corner would have called the ref over after the 1st round imo
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That's a good point.
 
Handjob Bob said:
No your right - it was Vaseline & not baby oil, my mistake.

Probably sour grapes his claim as like you said, he could have mentioned it during the fight.
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In my opinion, GSP is probably the most genuine and honest fighter there is. He seems like a top bloke. I don't for a second think that he would purposely cheat.
 
utter rubbish. in a fight that size, they would've complained DURING the fight.

Penn got dominated STANDING UP as well as on the ground. GSP made him look average.

i'm a Penn fan as well as a GSP fan, but GSP was too good for him. and after all the silly 'to the death' talk Penn blabbed before the fight, it was a loss that'll be hard to forget.
 
Handjob Bob said:
No your right - it was Vaseline & not baby oil, my mistake.

Probably sour grapes his claim as like you said, he could have mentioned it during the fight.
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It was noticeable that BJP couldn't stop his rubber guard from slipping at a time in the fight when neither fighter should have been all that sweaty. They had been grappling for a minute or so, which means it is possible that GSP had got a bit of a sweat on, although it does seem unlikely.

Mind you, I always think that fighters sometimes miss a trick by towelling themselves down before they start or putting on a dry t-shirt. They'll have a decent sweat on in the dressing room, if they're up against a BJJ expert, why not wear one of those plastic sweat-suits to the cage and start the fight in a right old lather. No rule against that surely?

As an aside, does anyone know what GSP was on about in the post match I/V when he talked about tactics and BJ having "boxers shoulders"?

How good was Macheda by the way? I love watching counter-punchers in any combat sport but you just can't beat watching someone getting pwned by good old-fashioned kung fu.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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How good was Macheda by the way? I love watching counter-punchers in any combat sport but you just can't beat watching someone getting pwned by good old-fashioned kung fu.
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Macheda is good... but its certainly karate and not kung fu...

shotokan to be precise (and pedantic)
 
EZee said:
Macheda is good... but its certainly karate and not kung fu...

shotokan to be precise (and pedantic)
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I thought kung fu was a generic term for a load of different Chinese martial arts, which includes karate?

I'm probably wrong though. He was fecking awesome either way.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
As an aside, does anyone know what GSP was on about in the post match I/V when he talked about tactics and BJ having "boxers shoulders"?
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yeah...kind of...

he was commenting how Penn's shoulder's are narrower and more compact, muscle wise. and by fighting at the tempo/gameplan he fought at made the blood/oxygen in Penn's blood/whatever flood, thus rendering Penn's hand speed and power a lot less effective and a lot more fatigued.

it was something along those lines, but i'm no sport scientist. was interesting though.

and this whole vaseline stuff is really poor on Penn's people's behalf. i mean, do they WANT another rematch...?
 
EZee said:
karate is a japanese art
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Wiki says "no".

Looks like karate was refined in Japan but orginated in China

Karate began as a common fighting system known as "ti" (or "te") among the pechin class of the Ryukyuans. After trade relationships were established with the Ming dynasty of China by Chuzan King Satto in 1372, many forms of Chinese martial arts were introduced to the Ryukyu Islands by the visitors from China, particularly Fujian Province. A group of 36 Chinese families moved to Okinawa around 1392 for the purpose of cultural exchange and shared their knowledge of the Chinese martial arts. The political centralization of Okinawa by King Shohashi in 1429 and the 'Policy of Banning Weapons,' enforced in Okinawa after the invasion of the Shimazu clan in 1609, are also factors that furthered the development of unarmed combat techniques in Okinawa.[2]
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I think, at a push, you could still describe karate as kung fu, or at the very least, wushu :angel:

(yes, I'm being pedantic but you started it!)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Wiki says "no".

Looks like karate was refined in Japan but orginated in China



I think, at a push, you could still describe karate as kung fu, or at the very least, wushu :angel:

(yes, I'm being pedantic but you started it!)
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yes as the translation of kung fu actually means aquired skill then i suppose you could call karate kung fu -and you could also call driving kung fu... (or gung fu as bruce lee always called it)

this could go on for a long time if we are going to try and out pedant each other...
 
EZee said:
yes as the translation of kung fu actually means aquired skill then i suppose you could call karate kung fu -and you could also call driving kung fu... (or gung fu as bruce lee always called it)

this could go on for a long time if we are going to try and out pedant each other...
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Yeah, let's let it lie. The main thing is, I've learnt something today. When I next go for a drive I'm technically doing kung fu. This pleases me :)
 
Machida surely deserves a shot at the title now. Ive no doubt he will win it and keep it for a long time. This guy could dominate his division.

Anyone hear of the rumours about GSP fighting A Silva? How do you see that going if true?
 
vuc said:
Machida surely deserves a shot at the title now. Ive no doubt he will win it and keep it for a long time. This guy could dominate his division.

Anyone hear of the rumours about GSP fighting A Silva? How do you see that going if true?
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Machida is class but I wouldn't count on him dominating Rashad. Rashad is unbeaten himself and has beaten his fair share of top fighters. I think it would be a very close contest.

I think GSP v Anderson Silva will happen. There are a lot of rumours. Some people say BJ Penn is the best pound for pound fighter in the UFC, some say it's GSP and some say it's the Spider. Naturally all the fans are calling for the Silva GSP fight as GSP can easily fight at middleweight. There are also a lot of rumours of Silva going to light heavyweight and if so, he will have to fight GSP sooner rather than later.
 
Whats the best fight any of you have seen in the UFC? I've only really gotten into it recently, but I've seen the Forrest Griffin v Stephen Bonnar fight, it was amazing.
 
Don16 said:
Whats the best fight any of you have seen in the UFC? I've only really gotten into it recently, but I've seen the Forrest Griffin v Stephen Bonnar fight, it was amazing.
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I'd have to agree with that one. It was an amazing fight.

The one I most enjoyed though was when Frank Mir tapped out Brock Lesnar. I was jumping all over the sitting room.
 
Name Changed said:
I'd have to agree with that one. It was an amazing fight.

The one I most enjoyed though was when Frank Mir tapped out Brock Lesnar. I was jumping all over the sitting room.
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Yeah I enjoyed that. Who do you fancy for their re-match? Brock looks like he's sorted himself out, the mans a fecking animal
 
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Yeah I enjoyed that. Who do you fancy for their re-match? Brock looks like he's sorted himself out, the mans a fecking animal
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If he can get Mir down and dominate him as he did at the start of the first fight, then he won't let Mir get up.

Mir has improved his stand up considerably and that was a hugely impressive performance against Nogueira.

Mir is one of the best on the ground and is very dangerous on his back.

I don't know what strategy Mir will have but it's usually good. If Mir can keep it standing early and then manage to pull guard or something I reckon he could submit Brock. It is hard to see past Lesnar just grabbing a hold of Mir and pummeling him though.

Saying that, Randy put up a decent showing against Brock before getting too complacent. Arguably Mir has a lot more to his game than Randy and could finish Brock off a lot easier. I'm not really sure how good Mir's chin is as he hasn't really had to take that many punches.

I think it's a tough one to call. My heart says Mir, but my head says Brock, but only slightly.

What do you think?
 
vuc said:
Machida surely deserves a shot at the title now. Ive no doubt he will win it and keep it for a long time. This guy could dominate his division.

Anyone hear of the rumours about GSP fighting A Silva? How do you see that going if true?
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i think Machida will fight Rampage and the winner will get a shot at Rashad.

i think Silva would beat GSP within 3 rounds.

without doubt, within UFC, A Silva is the best p4p, a genuine phenomenon who will be remembered for a long time.
 
Name Changed said:
If he can get Mir down and dominate him as he did at the start of the first fight, then he won't let Mir get up.

Mir has improved his stand up considerably and that was a hugely impressive performance against Nogueira.

Mir is one of the best on the ground and is very dangerous on his back.

I don't know what strategy Mir will have but it's usually good. If Mir can keep it standing early and then manage to pull guard or something I reckon he could submit Brock. It is hard to see past Lesnar just grabbing a hold of Mir and pummeling him though.

Saying that, Randy put up a decent showing against Brock before getting too complacent. Arguably Mir has a lot more to his game than Randy and could finish Brock off a lot easier. I'm not really sure how good Mir's chin is as he hasn't really had to take that many punches.

I think it's a tough one to call. My heart says Mir, but my head says Brock, but only slightly.

What do you think?
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i think if brock did not ko or tko mir in the 1st 2 rounds he could be in trouble... his cardio looked shotto pieces by the end of the coture fight... if mir could tie him up for a round or 2 then i think mir becomes favourite...

though taking mr lesnar past 2 rounds is somewhat of a faunting propositions...

as ricky hatton said... if you came home and found brock in bed with your mrs you would tuck him in!
 
EZee said:
i think if brock did not ko or tko mir in the 1st 2 rounds he could be in trouble... his cardio looked shotto pieces by the end of the coture fight... if mir could tie him up for a round or 2 then i think mir becomes favourite...

though taking mr lesnar past 2 rounds is somewhat of a faunting propositions...

as ricky hatton said... if you came home and found brock in bed with your mrs you would tuck him in!
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:lol:

Mir isn't known for his cardio either but he looked great against Nogueira when a lot of people thought that his cardio would let him down. It would be extremely hard to tie Brock up for two rounds but Mir is definitely good enough to do it.
 
Anyone watch the fight night?

Some great fights there with Lauzon and Stephens being the highlight. Great guillotine finish by Lauzon. Mac Danzig looked extremely limited and was well beaten in the end by Josh Neer. A couple of other good fights there also. It was well worth watching.
 
Name Changed said:
Anyone watch the fight night?

Some great fights there with Lauzon and Stephens being the highlight. Great guillotine finish by Lauzon. Mac Danzig looked extremely limited and was well beaten in the end by Josh Neer. A couple of other good fights there also. It was well worth watching.
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Yeah, I watched it. Very entertaining. The lauzon fight was class.
 
Parisyan Tests Positive for Banned Painkillers

A post-fight urinalysis has revealed that welterweight Karo Parisyan tested positive for the banned painkillers Oxymorphone, Hydrocodone, and Hydromorphone following his decision win over Dong Hyun Kim at UFC 94 in Las Vegas on January 31st. Parisyan faces a possible fine and suspension from the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
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here is a link

I'd am very disappointed with this as Karo is one of my favourite fighters. He has overcome a lot of obstacles to get back into the UFC. I don't know if taking painkillers is the same as taking performance enhancing drugs though. Regardless of which anyway, it was absolutely stupid and I presume his victory against Dong Hyun Kim will be taken off him as a result.
 
Name Changed said:
Anyone watch the fight night?

Some great fights there with Lauzon and Stephens being the highlight. Great guillotine finish by Lauzon. Mac Danzig looked extremely limited and was well beaten in the end by Josh Neer. A couple of other good fights there also. It was well worth watching.
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Arm-bar, surely?
 
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