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Will Spurs finish in the top four in the upcoming season?

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K2K said:
That changes things

is that true?

And I love defenders like that. A bit like Godin.
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There has been an ongoing contract dispute between Alderweireld and Spurs for quite some time now, as far as I know there is no resolution in sight due to Levy refusing to grant him (and other Spurs players) a release clause.

Alderweireld could very well be available come the end of the season, among other Spurs players like Kane (hopefully :p)
 
Random Task said:
There has been an ongoing contract dispute between Alderweireld and Spurs for quite some time now, as far as I know there is no resolution in sight due to Levy refusing to grant him (and other Spurs players) a release clause.

Alderweireld could very well be available come the end of the season, among other Spurs players like Kane (hopefully :p)
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Just baiting 'him' now.
 
They weren't great but had their spells in the game. Alli should probably take his chance in the second half.

Nearly got their point. Poch does seem to have a poor record against the top sides.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Negative Poch, coming to Old Trafford without an out and out striker.. I wonder if the media will attack him like they would Jose if he went to Etihad, Stamford Bridge etc playing someone out of position up front, I doubt it.
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Of course they won't. Poch and Klopp are the cool new kids on the block who rarely get criticised.

Meanwhile the serial winners like Jose and Pep are constantly being questioned by our predictable media.
 
K2K said:
That changes things

is that true?

And I love defenders like that. A bit like Godin.
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Sure I read it a few times a while back, will need to check. If United picked him up for a nominal fee in January or for free next summer that would be a real coup.
EDIT : Sorry my bad, he is contracted until 2019. From this article though, if anyone - hopefully United - tested Spurs out with a serious bid and the promise of a better contract than the one he is currently on it would be interesting.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...ntract-says-mauricio-pochettino-a3629446.html

Sorry for posting that earlier about him being out of contract next summer, my bad, incorrect information. Sorry guys...
 
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Wonder how that midweek defeat from such a comfortable position affected their mindset this week.
Cannot have helped one bit.

Another dodgy result in this midweek, and they might be onto a little crisis of confidence.
Especially if Kane's hamstring isn't as minor as they seem to be thinking
 
Andersons Dietician said:
My bad I was watching a united vs Spurs breakdown yesterday and they mentioned Spurs pay less in wages so that is where I took that from. Damn Phil Neville and his co pundit.
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Surely it leapt out as a nonsensical stat, when no Palace player would be in a million miles of the likes of Kane, Eriksen, Alli and many others.
 
Sandikan said:
Surely it leapt out as a nonsensical stat, when no Palace player would be in a million miles of the likes of Kane, Eriksen, Alli and many others.
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How so? Spurs are famed for not paying top whack and basically have a wage cap currently. Eriksen Is on 75k, Alli, 50k according to the wage article I just looked at. Benteke at Palace is on 125k, and reports were Zaha is on 110k.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
How so? Spurs are famed for not paying top whack and basically have a wage cap currently. Eriksen Is on 75k, Alli, 50k according to the wage article I just looked at. Benteke at Palace is on 125k, and reports were Zaha is on 110k.
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Surely those latter figures cannot be true.
If they are it's astonishing stuff!
 
Sandikan said:
Surely those latter figures cannot be true.
If they are it's astonishing stuff!
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On top of that Cabaye supposedly gets 100k as well. Then Harry Kane’s base wage is 90k. But there is some sort of “easily achievable” bonuses that make it 120k a week. Basically Spurs has a100k cap.
 
I thought Dier was quite impressive apart from that obvious gaffe. I know that sounds like an oxymoron btw.
 
KM said:
I thought Dier was quite impressive apart from that obvious gaffe. I know that sounds like an oxymoron btw.
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He is a better CB than CDM though. He was probably getting the CDM position here and i dont think he would offer enough on the ball and going forward. His main strength are of defensive nature
 
Just watching Sunday Supplememt there and Jonathan Northcroft made the interesting point that if United, or even Arsenal, had lost the game yesterday in the same manner that Spurs lost to us, i.e. close game of few chances that they managed to lose due to an error, then United/Arsenal get slated. Spurs aren't getting slated.

Leads to the question as to why this is. For me, it's probably just that Spurs still aren't considered a 'big club' - I hate that phrase, but I mean it more in the context of the current team competing to win. Spurs are probably expected to challenge, but not to win.

It's a difficult situation for the club to be in if it continues, because obviously it puts a lot of good players in the spotlight and raises profile, but not winning means not keeping them for me.

What are Spurs missing in order to win something?
 
This trophy talk is a bit of nonsense IMO. First of all, Spurs won't win the CL so we can exclude that from the discussion. They can realistically compete for 3 domestic trophies, however there are 5 other big clubs who compete for that too (and the occassional smaller club). Their depth isn't good enough yet.
 
Spurs are the current poster team that is why. Led by England captain Harry Kane. Then they have Alli too. And it is a London club. All marks ticked.
 
Foxbatt said:
Spurs are the current poster team that is why. Led by England captain Harry Kane. Then they have Alli too. And it is a London club. All marks ticked.
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Also being top of the netspend league affords them certain privileges from the media - deploying negative tactics in those tough away games are conveniently ignored for example, whilst the likes of Jose doing the same will be scolded.

Just the way it is.
 
VorZakone said:
This trophy talk is a bit of nonsense IMO. First of all, Spurs won't win the CL so we can exclude that from the discussion. They can realistically compete for 3 domestic trophies, however there are 5 other big clubs who compete for that too (and the occassional smaller club). Their depth isn't good enough yet.
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I don't understand your point. Is the whole point of football not trophies?

Fair enough there's pretty much 6 teams competing for 3 domestic trophies. But over the course of say 3 years you'd expect them to win at least one, no?

This season, Spurs are already a long way back from City so unlikely to win the league, they're out of the Carabao Cup, so only really the FA Cup to compete for. I don't think that's good enough, in the same way it's not good enough for Liverpool this season either.
 
Gee Male said:
I don't understand your point. Is the whole point of football not trophies?

Fair enough there's pretty much 6 teams competing for 3 domestic trophies. But over the course of say 3 years you'd expect them to win at least one, no?

This season, Spurs are already a long way back from City so unlikely to win the league, they're out of the Carabao Cup, so only really the FA Cup to compete for. I don't think that's good enough, in the same way it's not good enough for Liverpool this season either.
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My point is that Spurs don't have the depth to compete on multiple fronts + they compete with 5 other big clubs, so saying Poch is not a good coach because he hasn't won trophies yet is a bit hard on the guy who made Spurs a top team in the first place with great coaching and a few astute signings. United won 1 trophy from 2013 to 2016 (FA Cup) and missed out on CL football twice. Then finally the club bounced back with a relatively good season (EL and League Cup). So all in all, yes I feel like Spurs should be winning a trophy this season but if they don't it won't change my opinion about Poch (yet).
 
VorZakone said:
My point is that Spurs don't have the depth to compete on multiple fronts + they compete with 5 other big clubs, so saying Poch is not a good coach because he hasn't won trophies yet is a bit hard on the guy who made Spurs a top team in the first place with great coaching and a few astute signings. United won 1 trophy from 2013 to 2016 (FA Cup) and missed out on CL football twice. Then finally the club bounced back with a relatively good season (EL and League Cup). So all in all, yes I feel like Spurs should be winning a trophy this season but if they don't it won't change my opinion about Poch (yet).
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Oh. You're arguing a point I didn't make then, I didn't mention Poch. I would agree that not winning a trophy this season wouldn't be exactly the end of the world for Poch, though I'd be if the opinion that Spurs should be winning one this season or next at the latest.

My point was more about the relative free pass Spurs get for not getting over the line, and that it's probably a sign that they're just not treated or seen as a proper top club just yet.
 
Gee Male said:
Oh. You're arguing a point I didn't make then, I didn't mention Poch. I would agree that not winning a trophy this season wouldn't be exactly the end of the world for Poch, though I'd be if the opinion that Spurs should be winning one this season or next at the latest.

My point was more about the relative free pass Spurs get for not getting over the line, and that it's probably a sign that they're just not treated or seen as a proper top club just yet.
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I think they absolutely are not seen a top top club yet.

If Utd went to Spurs and played without a proper striker, had no shot on target after the 41st minute, had one genuine chance all game and then lost we'd have been slaughtered. As would Arsenal and Chelsea etc.
 
Lose next week, while they win and we're equal again in the league, so we can't get too above ourselves, however enjoyable yesterday was.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Where art thou @GlastonSpur? Been very quite since Saturday...
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Relax, Spurs only lost because they wanted to lose. Man Utd can only take something from Spurs if it’s their decision, the days of losing something against their will is over. I am sure there is some statistic that tells us they are better off compared to last season’s games, and because of that all is well.
 
We have Chelsea away next weekend.
He's gambling on a routine Spurs win and Utd defeat so he can argue about the loss of Kane and alternative league tables while being level on points with us.
He would even have an audience on here with the crying a defeat would bring.
Its boring in its predictability
 
Sly said:
Yeah but don't forget the trend and the NFL. They will get there.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-NFL-commissioner-Roger-Goodell.html#comments

Guys this is absolutely genius by Daniel Levy. Chelsea and Arsenal have been sleeping here. 10 NFL games with viewerships in multiples of millions all looking at the spurs logo and many Americans wondering where is that stadium!! Its going to give Spurs a massive boost in terms of brand awareness and worldwide fan base. If I was a supporter of Arsenal I would be sick right now!! I think there is a very good chance looking at how both clubs are being run that Spurs could overtake them in terms of revenue and fanbase.....What are the Arsenal senior management up to!!!
 
red4ever11 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-NFL-commissioner-Roger-Goodell.html#comments

Guys this is absolutely genius by Daniel Levy. Chelsea and Arsenal have been sleeping here. 10 NFL games with viewerships in multiples of millions all looking at the spurs logo and many Americans wondering where is that stadium!! Its going to give Spurs a massive boost in terms of brand awareness and worldwide fan base. If I was a supporter of Arsenal I would be sick right now!! I think there is a very good chance looking at how both clubs are being run that Spurs could overtake them in terms of revenue and fanbase.....What are the Arsenal senior management up to!!!
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There won't be many Americans who become supporters of Spurs because NFL games are played in their stadium.
 
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