What do the resident spurs fan make of their team being dirty bastards when they get beat? Kane and Alli at it again with horrible challenges.
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I think "dirty bastards" is a bit strong, I posted in another thread that we are pretty low on the fair play board.
I just think it’s very visible to the eye that when they are getting beat, certain players look like they are trying to injure the opponents on purpose.
I can call mayb 3 games where it's got out of hand, but I honestly don't think any of our players actually indend to hurt another player. This whole thing started with the Chelsea game last season where the ref himself said he let it bubble over. Dele can be petchulent, Dier and Kane are prone to a wreakless challenge I'd agree but to compare us to the Stoke of old is a bit far.
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I think Alli needs to be put in his place a bit, add some humility to him. 3 times is too many.
I agree on Dele if you want me to be honest I'd bench him for a while but I think Poch is hoping he can play out of his slump.
Good to see Dele Alli on the type of form fitting of an England player going into a World Cup.
That's a very wierd post that seeks to absolve Poch of any responsibility or blame. If he's not getting the most out of the likes of Kane and Ali on a consistent basis then its on him.
I believe you.
That are the strangest list of excuses I have seen for a manager all honestly.
While I don't really agree with the points he was making you do have to remember what Poch inherited relative to the other big managers in the league. On the whole his job has been pretty phenomenal on a limited budget/wage bill. He's still my choice to replace Jose when the time comes.
I always expected a slump this season. Losing WHL was a huge blow given their dominance at home last season - They've also had even worse injury problems than we have.
They really miss Alderweireld, but he wouldn’t make a difference today. Only two Spurs-players would/could go into that City-team, namely Alder and Kane. The rest just aren’t good enough, especially Alli wouldn’t even play for their reserves let alone their first team.
Putting Winks and Sissoko on the pitch just shows how extremely far Tottenham are from competing for anything.
Putting Winks and Sissoko on the pitch just shows how extremely far Tottenham are from competing for anything.
Inherited ? He has been managing Spurs for what ? 4 or 5 years ? We had already passed this period.
He currently has arguably the third best squad in the league after City and us. Some at the start of the season were even arguing he has a better squad than us. Spurs definitely have better team than Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. I don't find any excuses for him this season tbh.
He deserved the credit last season so he deserves the blame this season, it's fair.
Being past it doesn't erase it. I'm talking about his job in general - Not talking up their season which has had it's problems, including some he's created. The recruitment, even on a limited budget was pretty poor. They needed more.
Most of their key players have significantly improved under him - Kane, Alli, Rose, Walker etc. all went to new heights, the latter being sold (and they miss him desperately). They have a strong XI but I actually don't think their squad is as strong as the others in the top 6 and dealing with injuries is a problem. Any side would struggle without their best CB and best CM as we have also found out. In a sense I can see why people think they get a pass for being Spurs and are therefore judged to a lower standard but the reality is money talks and when their rivals are blowing Europe away with transfer fees it's always going to be difficult to keep up.
I think the timing of the stadium move was a disaster for him and I think people are downplaying the effect that has. More so for what WHL was rather than what Wembley is.
I don't he deserved all the credit or all the blame. There's a lot of circumstances above and below him which have had a major influence on their previous success and this season's underachievement. I still think he's shown himself to be a fantastic manager, albeit still one with a lot to prove.
Spurs have half the wage bill than Liverpool. They were overachieving the previous two seasons they are playing more to their financial standing this season.
How are they doing compared to this time last season for points and same fixture wise? Genuine questionasthis hasn’t been pointed out for months now.
Down 7 so far.
No one said he did a poor job at Spurs though, everyone knows all in all he had a very good period here but lacks winning any trophies. I'm pointing to him having a very poor season currently, which shouldn't be the case with the team they had.
Them not being able to play well on Wembley is something that should have only been present in the first 1 or 2 months of the season but the fact it's still going on till now proves there's something wrong. They should have already got used to play there, unless they let the concept of them always being poor there spread in their mind and affect their performance every time they play there, which shouldn't be the case for a supposedly a big time.
Poch is a very good manager, but he still lacks somethings to move to a step higher than Spurs imo. Maybe one or 2 more seasons he'll be able to make that step.
I wonder would Pogba get in their team? 
I don't think it's a weird post at All, he's getting Spurs punching above their weight. Yeah he's not won anything with them, and he doesn't take nearly as much notice of the cups as he does, but I think going to a big club would improve him. It's the next step for him isn't it, he went to Spurs from Southampton, massively improved them and now needs to make the step up with or more realistically without Spurs.
He clearly is getting the most out of Kane and Alli, that much is obvious. Kane has been the top scorer for the last 2/3? Seasons, and Alli was a big success last season despite being a limited player.
I still can't believe they sold Walker to City.
Such a terrible, small time mentality to directly significantly strengthen a team who would obviously be one of their fiercest rival for the title. To me, that showed that they never had any real title aspirations.
Such a terrible, small time mentality to directly significantly strengthen a team who would obviously be one of their fiercest rival for the title. To me, that showed that they never had any real title aspirations.
I've not made excuses for Pochettino, if anything I've been quite critical of him in the past on the Spurs threads. But I simply don't think the city defeat is on him, he set up against city to ensure that his team can create chances which they did.
City are clearly a far better side than Spurs, so there aren't really any excuses needed anyway.
Not a massive fall from grace then I guess. Just shows the competition has gone up a notch or two as well.
They've got a very good manager and imo the second best squad in the league behind only City, they should be doing much better.
How good is their team really though?
Trippier is awful, Rose still doesn't look right from that injury, Dier has never impressed at CB, Dembele looks washed or else he's carrying an injury, Winks is still a relatively unknown player - The only one clearly under performing is Alli. I genuinely don't think their squad is all that. They have some great players but they're very reliant on them.
They have improved at Wembley but it will never be what WHL was - They had the best home record in the league last season and dropped only two points. It was a fortress and I think it has unsettled the team generally. I called that they'd struggle and would finish outside the top 4 for this reason (on another forum) as people always play down the impact home stadiums have.
I definitely think he can make the move. It will be tough to elevate Spurs to anything beyond what he's done other than CL progress (which they're making) or a cup win. The Manchester Clubs have the resources to go full on Arms Race in the transfer window and I can't see Spurs improving at a rate beyond what they will.
It's not small time mentality, Spurs can't offer him higher wages without pissing off the rest of the squad. They can't afford to have a disgruntled player spreading his negativity within the squad too. So they had no option other than to sell him to the highest bidder and let's be honest where else is Kyle fecking Walker going to go? At best Spurs could prevent him from going to Arsenal or Chelsea, that's it. They got a nice bit of dosh for him too.
I think the nature of football at the minute is overly sensationalist, were 2 points of 4th and reachable to 3rd. Considering we finished 1st in the CL and were playing at Wembley its not a complete disaster, were playing well below are best. Need to get on a run again, hopfully we can.
They were overachieving the previous two seasons while some of the bigger sides were overachieving. With City and us playing up to their potential they have no shot
There was a period at the start of the 2nd half where they pinned the bitters back and were totally on top of them, Kane (I think) had a chance to play in Son to make it 1-1 and he completely over-hit the pass.
They had citeh underneath them for a good bit of time but then it's like their concentration just slipped and of course every 50-50 that city lose is awarded as a foul which makes it very, very difficult for teams to keep up pressure on them. Sounds like an excuse but it's true.
Agree. I think that side of Spurs is beneficial to the PL, and I respect it in them. It's that same fight that's got them overachieving these past few seasons.
They're in it as a group, and when they get frustrated their passion and aggression shows, but they're pretty transparent about it. It's not like the citeh players who dive so much I'm surprised the English footy media literally never mention it.
Not sure, mate. I actually thought for a while that city could come in for him as an Aguero replacement, but he's not a guardiola player is he.
I just feel that 2 of Kane, Alli, Eriksen or Pochettino will be off this Summer if you fail Top 4 (you know I've said that for ages in this thread), I could be wrong, but as a Utd fan that's my feeling.
I kind of agree, but you also gotta factor in the Wembley effect, or, to be more specific, the 'not at White Hart Lane' effect, which was always gonna make it very, very tricky for them.
Why do you think they have done so badly since Madrid victory?
Hopefully back to being our feeder club again. Would happily take a couple of their players.
The squad is undoubtedly behind us and probably Chelsea too. Sissoko belongs back at Newcastle
Really don't think so. Their defence is better than ours, their fullbacks are better than ours, their attacking midfielders are better than ours, their striker is better than ours. Only position we are better is out wide (Rashford and Martial) which is a moot point as they don't even play a system with widemen and in midfield (which is only significantly better when we have Pogba, which we haven't for large portions of the season. Matic is still better than anything they have though imo.)
They have a very good squad, they have arguably the best striker on the planet and probably the two best centre-backs in the league. People talking of overachieving are off the mark imo, to me they're under-acheving. With a very good manager and a squad of some top players, they should be closer. This is probably as good a team Spurs will ever muster, for them to be nearly men in their most dominant period in God knows how long must be frustrating for their fans. Not winning the season Leicester did was enough proof for me.
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They've been underwhelming all season imo. The Madrid victory was great and all, but Madrid have been very poor by their standards this season. They're 4th in La Liga, having being bested by poor teams and came second in that group. Their form has improved recently though. Spurs deserve credit for the win of course, but it was more a case of Madrid being poor than Spurs being great imo.
Respectfully disagree with a lot of what you said and we shouldn’t go further into it.
I think Mourinho showed others how to beat Potch and that’s what has happened since.
Potch’s Spurs have been busted - can’t see them getting close to previous achievements unless he make a major change - he won’t be getting better players so he is now in a real jam.
Like I said before, do you seriously believe it needed two and a half years for teams to start sitting deep and using the long ball against Spurs?
No, it's small time. Regardless of circumstances, you simply do not strengthen a title rival if you have serious aspirations of going for the title yourself. It's that simple. Even Arsenal managed to get that one right this time around, and with them being North London rivals and all, you'd have thought Spurs would've learned from the second best-mentality that Arsenal has adopted over the years. Unfortunately for Spurs fans, the truth is that it's all about the bank statements for Levy.
Think people are under-estimating them after a bad run of games. On their day they are fantastic but they haven't seemed to put a consistent run of games together this season, having off results regularly. Playing at Wembley is obviously a factor, they were very strong at WHL so you can put 6-10 points dropped to that.
I think their signings were more about depth than anything else with maybe the exception of Sanchez but I would have signed another attacker or a CM if I was Poch. Losing Walker was a terribe move in hindsight but at the time, £50m and the opportunity to replace him with 'potentially one of the world's best' Aurier was a good move. On this forum, Aurier has regularly been talked up and described as a future great RB if he can sort his temperament out, also it was said that they wouldn't miss Walker too much as Trippier was playing well. Both them things now, look silly but there is still time for Aurier to adapt to the league and prove himself.
I think their signings were more about depth than anything else with maybe the exception of Sanchez but I would have signed another attacker or a CM if I was Poch. Losing Walker was a terribe move in hindsight but at the time, £50m and the opportunity to replace him with 'potentially one of the world's best' Aurier was a good move. On this forum, Aurier has regularly been talked up and described as a future great RB if he can sort his temperament out, also it was said that they wouldn't miss Walker too much as Trippier was playing well. Both them things now, look silly but there is still time for Aurier to adapt to the league and prove himself.
He's got a squad that is close to one of the best in the league and one of Spurs best in recent times. A decent manager should have that competing with us, they've got a better team than us.
At the moment he's close to Rodgers path, did well with a lesser club and then after a move to a top 4 contender got a squad together to compete when on form. We'll have to see if last season was just a flash in the pan for them or not but if they stagnate its on Poch not Spurs limitations as you were offering for an excuse.
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