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Which explains things even more ...
He could probably get us 2-3 players which would make us much superior to Spurs. Hell, he could just take Alli and Kane with him and you'd be back to mid-table.
If Liverpool are declining why have you tipped them for top four next season? That's going against your trend surely.
Quite amazing that he cannot see the trend of finishing top 4 three times in 2011-2014 period but only once since then. It's like he can see three year periods only for United.
Also, the last three seasons - Leicester with higher league position twice. Last 1 season - Leicester higher in all of them. (Unless they somehow lose three remaining games)
Amazing also recent Premier League era by his definition started just 3 years ago conveniently with SAF's retirement.
As I've already said, I've compared the last 6 years for Spurs with the previous 6 years = three top-4 finishes compared to none.
It really is beyond stupid to try and maintain that Spurs have not made considerable progress in recent times ... and not just on the pitch.
Trends can be changed - they are not set-in-stone predictors. Klopp's appointment was a game-changer.
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He couldn't. And he isn't going to United in any case. You've got the circus coming to town instead.
I've already compared the three-year period for both clubs. It's a period in which Spurs will likely have achieved their highest ever Prem finish and will have finished above United twice. Trying to twist that into a Spurs decline is highly imaginative, but clearly stupid.
Spurs are better than us at this moment but it is going to be interesting to see what they will look to improve on in the summer. What are their problem positions?
They've had a fully fit first 11 basically all season with every player at the top of their game and are still just 10 points ahead of what i'd consider our worst ever PL season. This is despite us having multiple long term injuries and a lack of quality in attack from the outset.
The way i see it, Spurs are a good bet to finish above us next season but i don't see them doing that much better than this year, us on the other hand have far more potential for improvement but are dependent on a lot of unknowns (manager, signings, recovery of players like Shaw, Schweinsteiger).
They've had a fully fit first 11 basically all season with every player at the top of their game and are still just 10 points ahead of what i'd consider our worst ever PL season. This is despite us having multiple long term injuries and a lack of quality in attack from the outset.
The way i see it, Spurs are a good bet to finish above us next season but i don't see them doing that much better than this year, us on the other hand have far more potential for improvement but are dependent on a lot of unknowns (manager, signings, recovery of players like Shaw, Schweinsteiger).
So those thinking a new manager at Utd will see a change in fortune are not worthy of the scorn you're attempting to pour on them.
What scorn? Simply saying that United have declined, which I imagine most United fans also see, doesn't amount to scorn.
A new manager may well see an improvement in fortune - have I said different? I just happen to think - subject perhaps to later revision depending on which players come and go at which clubs - that it won't be enough to propel you into the top 4.
Liverpool have Klopp, who'll now have the summer he didn't get last time to work with his squad. Spurs have Pochettino, with a squad that is likely to improve further given the young average age. City have Pep ... and even without him it's difficult to see them dropping out of the top 4. Arsenal will likely as usual do enough to finish top 4. And then there's Chelski, who can't be ruled out, even tho' I think you'll finish above them.
United will face another summer of upheaval - new manager most likely, who'll want to make fair few changes in player personnel no doubt, and a new playing style to impose. These things take time to gel. And with such stiff competition for top 4 there'll probably be little such time to spare.
I also think that, with Mourinho, you'll revert again to trying to buy your way out of trouble, neglecting the youth development and player scouting that IMO would be the better way forward.
You're ridiculing the notion that Utd could finish above Spirs with a new manager. What else would you call it? Will Klopp's new signings not need time to gel too?
Ridiculing? I'm simply saying that I don't think it will happen and explaining why.
As for Klopp, yes any new signing will need time to gel, but the rest of the current squad won't so much as he's been working with them for a while and it's starting to show.
I honestly don't know why a Spurs fan would spend so much time on a United board arguing points that are obviously going to be disagreed with. They've blown the best chance they'll have to win the league and the levels of smugness are sky high. It's odd.
In fairness, the post you're replying to, he doesn't even remotely ridicule the notion that United could finish above Spurs with a new manager. He's just stating that he doesn't think it's likely.
Denial. They have blown their golden chance and they know it. Admitting it hurts too much. So they come here and try to convince us spurs in the title race is the new norm, not a freak.
The absurdity of it all is that Leicester and Spurs have both surpassed us and a bunch of other teams this season to be where they are but spurs fans want us to believe we or others can't emulate their rise next season.
Just seen this
Just seen you.
Are they any better than when Harry had them? Maybe slightly but not by much.
Overated certainly.
Overated certainly.
Yes but that's only if you take 6-year period where two previous CL qualifications were achieved by a completely different team. The current team has done worse which is evidenced by only 1 top 4 finish compared to 2 in the previous 3-year period. If you don't see the trend here, you are deluding yourself.
You haven't done Atlético justice there, they're in the semi-final of the champions league with one foot in the door of the final. They're clearly a far superior team to Spurs player for player and all, there's a few Spurs players that'd get in but this is massively underrating them.
Why not? If we wanted them, we could sign them.
Yep but compare 3 years now with previous 3 years of Spurs and you will see clear decline trend. It's true, do not live in denial.
fecking hell lads are you not bored of going over the same ground? 
if you take the last game each have played as a trend then man utd reached a cup final and spurs bottled a title shot. if you go back for two games, united won two from two where spurs won only one and bottled a title shot. trend comparison over.
He has been throughout though. Harping on about trends. Rewind a few years and when Utd fans told him that Utd would likely finish above them and it was quite the opposite tack and that the past had no bearing on the future.
That's your delusion I'm afraid. The days of United signing any player we don't want to sell are long gone.
I suggest you go flash your cash at a club that's impressed by it ... or better still, develop a decent scouting system.
Nah, if we wanted it enough we'd still get it done.
Not correct. I've said that the past doesn't dictate the future, not that it has no bearing on it.
Lol ... you've wasted plenty of time in the last few summers pursuing unobtainable players ... how come they didn't get done?
This is what you said a few years back. Funny how trends are now indicative of what Spurs will achieve.
It's a really difficult argument this one because the quality improvement in the lower end of the Premier League has actually coincided with a decrease in the quality of the teams at the top of the table as well as a considerable improvement of Europe's biggest clubs outside of England.
Purely out of interest if Utd could sign pretty much any player they want Probably apart from those at Real/Barca why have they got so many very ordinary players and why after Martial/DDG are their best players home grown kids?
Quite.
I've never anyone so bullish yet so obviously insecure about his team as Glaston.
It's all a bit transparent.
A mix of things really.
I don't think Utd could sign pretty much any player they want.
That said we can compete at a top level. I don't consider players like, Blind, Luke Shaw, Scheinderlin, Herrara as ordinary players.
And having some of your best players coming through your academy is actually a pretty good thing.
There's a fag paper between the Spurs and United squads all fit IMO. Reflected in the fact we'll finish just a handful of points behind despite a much more debilitating round of injuries.
Some people seem to get off from riling up large groups on the internet. It doesn't really get any easier than supporters of a struggling United side. opposition fans have waited with baited breath for this.
I also think it's a defense mechanism. Spurs had the opportunity of a lifetime to win just a third league title. It's not over,but it's pretty close. That must hurt. All optimism about the future is properly laced with a lot of self doubt too. Who knows when they will win it again?it could be 1 year or it could very well be 50 again. That means for another year at least ,the ''Have you seem Spurs win the league''chants continue...as good as it is ,it's another trophyless season in Spurs history. For a big club,even Spurs will admit that they have had too many of those.
Maybe Glaston is right and this is the dawn of something great. But He has been so wrong before,he could be again. Liverpool fans were just as enthusiastic in 2014,things didn't turn out so well either.
Taking a pop at United deflects from that hurt. Again,it's exactly what pool fans did in the Summer of 14.
I don't really get this talk of 'Arsenal and Spurs are so poor they couldn't win the title in a season when the other big clubs did poorly'. Surely that reflects even worse on the big clubs that did do poorly?
Yeah, if you just put Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Danny Rose and Kyle Walker on any club they'd be world beaters. This has been proven time and time again throughout their illustrious careers.
Christ.