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I thought May was the Princess of Darkness? Or has Leadsom now become the Queen of Hell? It's difficult to keep abreast of the ever evolving left wing demonology of the Cafe.
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Leadsom is a horrible piece of shit. Let's be honest, the leader of the Conservative was never going to have my respect, but having unprotected sex doesn't make you a better prime minister.
Full on denial, immense.She's been savaged in the Times editorial as well, basically for being heartless and incompetent.
Over to you, Conservative members...
Over to you, Conservative members...
Either she's been incredibly naive (stupid) or she knows full well that this will be spun against her, but still gets put out there (in her favour) with a bit of 'poor old Andrea, victim of the nasty press' thrown into the mix as well. It's hardly a convincing 'let's not get into that' answer she's giving, however you look at it.
Also at the Wembley debate she must have played the 'speaking as a Mother...' card at least a million times, if not more.
Maybe the Leadsom camp decided that an early-doors reducer is what was needed, Brian.
Also at the Wembley debate she must have played the 'speaking as a Mother...' card at least a million times, if not more.
Maybe the Leadsom camp decided that an early-doors reducer is what was needed, Brian.
Very low comments from Leadsom if true. But having either of these religious fanatics as leader his scary.
I'm not very keen on either of them tbh. And they are both pro fox hunting
And here is the audio:
That's just as bad as it was painted. I don't want to make this awful comparison but...
For some reason I'm worried this whole mess will help Leadsom - Trump, Boris, "The people are tired of experts" has thrown me off, I've no idea what does or doesn't hurt politicians in 2016.
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The Tories will make her PM. Just watch.
Yeah. On a scale of 10 on the scaryometer I'd give May a 9 and Leadsom a 10.
I think May has got this won but we have a while for these two to trip each other up.
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Logarithmic scale?
Let's hope the phrase 'as a mother' is now politically poisonous. At least Leadsom will have done some good then.
Yes. Should be noted May's acidity came in quite high.
This is becoming a problem in the world of post-truth politics. Surely the beeb has the right to call out politicians when they're lying? Challenge them on mistakes when the truth is publicly available knowledge, i.e. Boris' £350m a week claim.
I just don't care. We'll either have a vile homophobic, racist, god fearing living embodiment of the worst of the Daily Mail or a grimly serious and competent nutcase who genuinely considers human rights to be an encumbrance to her taking the decisions she wants to and knows are utterly correct. It's a total and utter nightmare.
Thank you once again the young of Britain for not voting in general elections and then being bewildered as to why we have political policy set by the opinions of old, insular, reactionary scumbags.
Thank you once again the young of Britain for not voting in general elections and then being bewildered as to why we have political policy set by the opinions of old, insular, reactionary scumbags.
Christ, Britain might as well have a giant alarm with the engraved words 'In case of emergency, break glass and blame the young/old/foreigners.'
FTFY
No. The incredibly low turn outs in general elections are not proportionate across the demographics of the country. It has therefore led to a disproportionally high amount of the actually voting electorate being of older generations (and there are of course other complexities). The young disproportionally do not vote, through apathy, or not having a party they feel suitably represents them, fuelled further by people actually suggesting (like Brand) that not voting is somehow a political act of revolution.
The problem is that if the political parties know that the electorate comprises of older, broadly more conservative people they will be inclined, like the effect of natural selection on the phone and genotypes of species, to create policies that appeal more to those who actually vote, thus creating political parties that are less and less appealing to those already not voting.
In short, not voting pisses me off and a lot more of the young don't vote. Especially in general elections. Which led to a second successive Tory Govt. Which led to the infantile politics of a referendum. Which led to the current political situation.
But, you know....Red Cafe might as well have a giant alarm with the engraved words 'In case of emergency, break glass and compare a point regarding people not voting with xenophobia'
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Didn't they savage her in the leader column? With stuff like that it's often best to just write it straight. People can make their own minds up. The Times doesn't have to resort to bolding or capping up key words to let their readers know when to react with kneejerk rage.
Aye, they did. My default reaction was that it was soft of them to give her a front page platform airing those statements, but given they have absolutely tanked everywhere it doesn't really seem to matter.
Well, we know that scumbag journalists are fishing for controversy, and if Leadsom was too naive too see it coming, shes obviously not the person to negotiate with the scumbag EU bureaucrats.
I find her political views more controversial than her clumsy attempts at rhetoric personally.
She looks like the posh mother-in-law from a sitcom.
I'm very tempted to tear into Leadsom as many others already have already. The only thing that make me reluctant to do so is my belief that things like this is never so simple, to always question the accepted narrative and that we can find an equal number of things to dislike about the left and it's share of prominent politicians. Or to perhaps put it more simply - any idiot can slag off Leadsom.
All that being said, she really does seem like the kind of person whom the Daily Mail reading Middle Englanders have been having wet dreams about for years now.
All that being said, she really does seem like the kind of person whom the Daily Mail reading Middle Englanders have been having wet dreams about for years now.
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Well actually she's representative of a group so staggeringly stupid to have put us into a position of having to negotiate with these 'scumbags' (as you so eloquently call them) in the first place. Perhaps it's ironic justice.
If a left wing woman had said that you'd regard it as perfectly harmless. If fact there's nothing wrong with it. It's the kind of anodyne remark politicos make all the time. You're just looking for a peg on which to hang your free floating hatred.
Are you simply attempting to point out the hypocrisy of the left (which they certainly can be guilty of) while also stating that what Leadsom's remark was essentially innocuous? Or is it more the case that you actually support both her and her policies?
Thanks for telling what I think.
In fact, what I think is that that phraseology is utterly toxic and dislike anybody who uses it. It's at best utterly pointless and at worse a justification for some of the most draconian shit dreamed up in this country.
I really dislike the Helen Lovejoyism of British politics and think the left is just as guilty of it too, but considering that this current issue is nothing to do with the left, I'm not exactly sure why you've bothered to bring it up?
Leadsom didn't get slated for using it lots at the Wembley gig. This is more about it being taken as a spiteful dig at Theresa May who hasn't had kids. Of course Andrea didn't mean it like that & wasn't aware of the inherent spitefulness or that it would be taken like that, or cause any controversy, it was just yet another opportunity to prattle on about her own child-bearing skills with no thought at all about anybody else.
Thats not really true. Leadsom's 'as a mother' routine saw her roundly ridiculed following that debate. That and the 'take control' mantra that they all spluttered out every 3 seconds.
Funny. If the Brexit vote alone doesn't push Scotland further towards independence then Leadsome as PM surely will.
Yes, I nearly said about the ridicule & then didn't, not sure 'roundly ridiculed' is quite right, could argue it was effective in that context of that debate, illustrating why they all do it. This is different isn't it? it should be ridiculed more, obvs.
Fair enough the people that it probably polls well with I. E. mothers aren't really a part of the instant reaction crowd. I actually thought twitter had a surprisingly vocal pro-Brexit crowd though given its demographics (I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out Vote Leave were astroturfing it) and Leadsom's slogans seemed to go down like a lead balloon there too.
Leadsom's comments, and by extension everything she's said thus far, make me think of her as this really, really traditional type to the point of beyond stereotype: typical Christian family values which not everyone has to follow, but is looked down upon for not doing so, not really being against gay people...but still quite clearly being uncomfortable with it when it's completely normal now, and wanting to take Britain back to the good times when you could murder as many foxes as you wanted, or do whatever the hell it is she wants to in her own warped little bubble.
These comments reflect that. Due to her presumably traditional, typical views, she probably thinks she's a better person, or at least one who has contributed more to society, by being a mother.
May is fairly terrible, but Leadsom would genuinely be an awful, ridiculously backwards choice for PM. Like something from the 1970's...only which is also held in disdain by people from the 70's for being increasingly backwards and outdated.
The worrying thing is...it'll surely resonate with a significant portion of the Tory membership. I mean, back when Boris looked likely to win, part of that was the fact that he'd been the Leave candidate, taking the Tories back for the members ahead of the more mainstream choices like Osborne and May. And Leadsom is now that main choice. And if Tory members can be convinced that this Times thing is some sort of stitch-up against her by the establishment which she is also a part of it (even though she's quite clearly said it), then she may start to gain more and more followers.
The only consolation is that she'd probably be an utter travesty as PM.
These comments reflect that. Due to her presumably traditional, typical views, she probably thinks she's a better person, or at least one who has contributed more to society, by being a mother.
May is fairly terrible, but Leadsom would genuinely be an awful, ridiculously backwards choice for PM. Like something from the 1970's...only which is also held in disdain by people from the 70's for being increasingly backwards and outdated.
The worrying thing is...it'll surely resonate with a significant portion of the Tory membership. I mean, back when Boris looked likely to win, part of that was the fact that he'd been the Leave candidate, taking the Tories back for the members ahead of the more mainstream choices like Osborne and May. And Leadsom is now that main choice. And if Tory members can be convinced that this Times thing is some sort of stitch-up against her by the establishment which she is also a part of it (even though she's quite clearly said it), then she may start to gain more and more followers.
The only consolation is that she'd probably be an utter travesty as PM.
They're literally filling the basic fecking requirements of their job for fecks sake. A potential Prime Minister has made an absurd comment, and is being called out on it.