superb picture.
sums up everything about berbatov. cool as feck, blowing bubblegum, not having a care in the world.
Berbatov | Fulham player
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superb picture.
sums up everything about berbatov. cool as feck, blowing bubblegum, not having a care in the world.
I don't
I know, you're in love with him.
His agent trying to lure Milan and Juve to sign him tell us how much is rated Berba outside of United. If he was only half as good as some of you are making him there would have been many clubs bidding 5M for him.
I believe in my opinions more than yours shocker.
Ok, we leave that Berbs ruined his career coming to one of the best clubs in the world, winning the league two times. Despite the fact that he's better than Chicharito and Welbeck he spent last 18 months in the bench (or even out of it).
Oh, and there isn't any club bidding only 5M for him, despite him being such a wonderful talented player.
A bit desperate, that.
I don't understand the problem, Fergie doesn't rate Berba anymore despite folking out £30m on him. He's clearly been a huge let down, perhaps we expected too much, it's possible he wasn't particularly great at Spurs either, and that a few good goals and performances clouded our judgement. I'd say he's been a flop... not a Gary Birtles type flop but a Verson flop.
Why is he a better player? I reckon Welbeck would do a better job at all the top clubs than Berbatov would. I think its Berbatovs style and first touch which is clouding peoples judgement of just how good he is.
People seem to be very harsh on berba. It hasn't worked out for him or us but it's not been a terrible move for either side. Berba has won medals here and in 2011 he was a big factor in us retaining the title.
To say welbeck and Hernandez outperformed him last season is harsh. For whatever reason fergie relegated him to fourth choice at the start f the season and rarely gave him a chance to prove otherwise. His goal record was better then either of them and to my mind I remember Hernandez having more poor displays. Often he seemed to stay in in the hopes he'd pop up with a goal out of nowhere.
Personally I don't think we utilised berba as well as we could. It's definitely fair to say that berba hasn't produced what his talent suggests he should, he'a not clinical enough and although his lack of work rate is overplayed it is a factor. On the other hand though we knew what sort of player he was when we bought him and at his age you don't expect him to change. As I said personally I don't think we utilised him as best we could. I actually think that he would fit in with the current set up very well. He's always at his best when there are runners getting ahead of him, that first half against ajax, although we had other frailties attackingly there was a lot of potential there and berba was at the heart of it. In clev, ando and kagawa we have that and from the wings the attacking players have got better at contributing centrally.
But it's unlikely we'll see that. I hope he gets a move sooner rather than later and gets a good club. He's accepted what's happened to him very graciously in an age of egos.
To say welbeck and Hernandez outperformed him last season is harsh. For whatever reason fergie relegated him to fourth choice at the start f the season and rarely gave him a chance to prove otherwise. His goal record was better then either of them and to my mind I remember Hernandez having more poor displays. Often he seemed to stay in in the hopes he'd pop up with a goal out of nowhere.
Personally I don't think we utilised berba as well as we could. It's definitely fair to say that berba hasn't produced what his talent suggests he should, he'a not clinical enough and although his lack of work rate is overplayed it is a factor. On the other hand though we knew what sort of player he was when we bought him and at his age you don't expect him to change. As I said personally I don't think we utilised him as best we could. I actually think that he would fit in with the current set up very well. He's always at his best when there are runners getting ahead of him, that first half against ajax, although we had other frailties attackingly there was a lot of potential there and berba was at the heart of it. In clev, ando and kagawa we have that and from the wings the attacking players have got better at contributing centrally.
But it's unlikely we'll see that. I hope he gets a move sooner rather than later and gets a good club. He's accepted what's happened to him very graciously in an age of egos.
Berbatov certainly has more talent than Welbeck at the moment. As for who's the better player (in terms of everything they offer to a team)? I dunno...
Berba would be perfect for the Serie A.
Actually I believe his style clouds peoples judgement for the worse. He's been brilliant for us since start of the 2010/2011 season when called upon.
If what his agent says is true I will be well pissed off.
The fecker never ran once for us in 4 years!
The fecker never ran once for us in 4 years!
He should go to Milan, he'd be one of their youngest players.
wrong m2. He'd be their third oldest outfield player behind yepes and ambrosini and oldest attacking player.
Well Milan should have enough money and room in their wage budget to afford him. Could be a good deal for the player and the club.
The old guard has all left.
There was small group of us saying that on the Caf when we were after him. We were attacked pretty nonstop anytime we brought it up. I watched him blow many a chance during big games for Spurs and it colored my view of him back then. He was also never going to fit in completely because of his style.
He hasn't done much to change my opinion. I think he's a very good player. Never was a 30 million player. He was always going to fail with that number around his neck.
Milan seems a good fit for him.
A "flop" is way too harsh.He didn't meet the really high expectations
Lacked pace perhaps? I'm not sure whether he was a 9 or a 10 though. But again, it's simple for me...had he cut the mustard there's no chance in Hell Fergie would've let him waste on the sidelines. He paid over £30m for his services for Christ's sake. Sadly Fergie made a massive mistake...I suspect if he could turn back the hands... he'd have looked elsewhere. I know, hindsight and all that. Oh well, I'm sure we've got £30m to blow on the next player...
Thing is, when we had Ronnie, Tevez et al, I was pro-Berba because we had so many players that could hunt down the ball and he offered us something different. So, when it came to him vs Tevez (in most fans' minds), I was very much in the get rid of Tevez camp. Not because I didn't appreciate Tevez' efforts, but we had plenty of players with great engines and I felt Berba could perform that one piece of magic out of nothing that could win the game on his own. I remember saying to my dad at the time "We don't need any more players like him (Tevez). We've loads who will run their legs off for the team."
Fast forward a year or two, we lost Ronnie, we lost Tevez, we lost Fletch to his illness, Park was a shadow of his former self, and all of a sudden we lack players who will hunt the ball down and win it back. I think that's one of the reasons Berba slipped down the pecking order. Say what you want about Chico's 2nd season compared to his 1st, but he still ran his heart out. He still defends from the front. Danny does the same. Rooney has always been like that. Berba never has and never will, and I really do think that, tactically, knowing how relatively weak we have been at times in midfield, Fergie has picked the others over Berba for this reason on more than one occasion.
Fast forward a year or two, we lost Ronnie, we lost Tevez, we lost Fletch to his illness, Park was a shadow of his former self, and all of a sudden we lack players who will hunt the ball down and win it back. I think that's one of the reasons Berba slipped down the pecking order. Say what you want about Chico's 2nd season compared to his 1st, but he still ran his heart out. He still defends from the front. Danny does the same. Rooney has always been like that. Berba never has and never will, and I really do think that, tactically, knowing how relatively weak we have been at times in midfield, Fergie has picked the others over Berba for this reason on more than one occasion.
this.
No flop would have scored the amount of goals he did for us. However he didnt suited our system.
Welbeck puts in twice the work rate that Berbs ever did. Plus he has a lot of quality. A couple of times last season I was amazed at how Danny almost seemed to be everywhere.
Fergie expects a lot from players I have said it time and time again, but they need to adapt to his way, not the other way around.
I reckon Fergie at times was pulling his hair out as Berbs plays another delightful ball out wide only to see him stop in his tracks, and watch the likes of Fletcher bust his nuts to get into the box with Berbs sauntering towards nowhere in particular.
Fergie expects a lot from players I have said it time and time again, but they need to adapt to his way, not the other way around.
I reckon Fergie at times was pulling his hair out as Berbs plays another delightful ball out wide only to see him stop in his tracks, and watch the likes of Fletcher bust his nuts to get into the box with Berbs sauntering towards nowhere in particular.
If Berbatov was signed for £10m would his time here have been considered a success? Considering his notable hat tricks and golden boot?
No, because he still failed to live up to his reputation at Spurs and his final season in Germany.
Even if we,had got him on a free I would say the same
Even if we,had got him on a free I would say the same
Perhaps so. Despite what loads of people are keen to say the fee does matter. When you spend 30mil on a player it's a signal that the manager believes this player is going to be a crucial part of the team. Judging him against that criteria you'd have to say his time hasn't been a success.
However, sign a player for 10mil and it's clear he's been brought in to play but perhaps in and out of the team. More of a squad player. Judge him at that criteria and it looks much better.
Fergie should let Berba go to Milan to replace Ibra
It just seems to make sense considering they have a vacancy in the striking department. He would be class in Italian football. The slower tempo and focus on technique suits him perfectly. I'm hoping AC Milan get on the phone so we can sort out a deal to satisfy everyone. I don't see him signing for the likes of West Ham when he's still good enough to play at the top level.
Milan's CEO Adriano Galliani said today that the club will bring in a 'champion' to replace Ibra.
Milan talk about "champions" every single day. They constantly refer to themselves as champions so them buying anybody will automatically make that player a champion
Yes even Mesbah..
They aren't willing to pay big wages, they wanna sell robinho and cassano too.
Sort of. If we signed him for £10 million and still threw him into the first team and persisted with him even when he was playing poorly he'd still have been a flop in his first 2 seasons. The rest of his time here would make up for it.
Its the fee, superstar billing, wages and faith shown in him over other players from the very start of his time here that he hasnt lived up to.
Take the fee, all the extremely over the top posts about him on here and in the media, high wages and the fact he was shoved into the team instead of Tevez from the start and continued to play even when he was doing so very poorly, out of the equation and he's been fine.
Even though Milan or Juve would be great, I think that Galatasaray is still more realistic. His manager was also quoted as saying, ' Dimitar thinks that Galatasaray is a great club and plays regularly in the CL'.
I agree with most of this. I also think the timing was unfortunate. We had just won the Champions League playing the kind of Football you mention, everyone hunting down the ball from the front and Fergie probably felt we could afford the luxury of someone who didn't.
A year later Fergie watches us getting our shit handed to us by Barcelona, whilst seeing the best player in the world putting just as much if not more effort in than our hardest workers. The same was the case two years later and I think Fergie probably realised that at the top level you can no longer have passengers, regardless of whether they can occasionally produce a bit of magic.
You are probably right. Tho again, I'm baffled why a control freak genius manager would not see the problem coming. Ron going was hardly out of the blue. Tevez leaving was in no small part of SAF's making. Fletch's illness couldn't be legislated for but Park's age could.
You are right tho, the team lost a lot of its bite during that transition.
You dont know much about Galliani don't you? He's as sleezy as a CEO can get. He'll probably try to convince Berba to throw a fit and leave on free.
Agent seem desperate to get out , but are Milan desperate to want Berbatov.
Milan are skint. Compared to them we're like Shitty on steroids.