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Perhaps its just me but as soon as I saw those sun quotes, it looked to me as though they took Fergie's words yesterday about making a bid for a player with the un named player references being replaced by Berbatov
I could be wrong but thats what it looked like and it wouldn't be the first time the sun have twisted and/or made up quotes. They have done it about five times this summer alone
 
Raven_Blade said:
Just great. Ive seen the recent comments from Spurs and this is starting to annoy me now. We look like fools and I can see another transfer saga developing here. Berbatov needs to hand in a transfer request for our bid to go any further.
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According to what Levy said on the Spurs website, both Berbatov and Keane have made it clear to Spurs they want out. To head to the clubs Spurs have reported to the PL. So here begins another saga.
 
Can someone explain what are the rules when properly conducting a transfer?

for instance i am the gaffer. I want berbatov.

I fax in a request to levy to buy berbatov for 20 million quid.

After they receive the fax, am I allowed to contact his agent to let him know about my interest, or does levy have to be the one to let berbatov know about the interest?

What if levy says no sale to me and doesn't tell berbatov about our bid. are there rules stating that chairmen/managers must notify their players if any bids come in for them?

that is why all this is stupid and there is no such thing called 'tapping up' IMO. Tapping up only happens when the player in question already is interested in a move. If he is interested, then most probably the gaffer and chairman know because the player/agent will try to get out of the club the easiest way.

If the player is not interested in going anywhere and makes it known, then there isn't anything called 'tapping up'.

levy's just like fergie are pissed that their respective players might want to play in places other than where they are currently at.
 
Kelvin said:
"Irrespective of the outcome and futures of Robbie and Dimitar, we are continuing to seek to bring in quality, talented players for the future, who want to play in a Spurs shirt."
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Basically, he can't hold onto them.

Sorry Spur fans.
 
Brad said:
Oh? John Bostock anyone? Spurs wouldn't agree a fair price with Palace, knowing tribunal would get him for a lot less
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We offered them a more than fair price, for a player who was only days away from being out of contract and not about to sign a new one. They refused it and thought they'd squeeze more by taking it to a independent tribunal. They were wrong and ended up with far less money that we had offered originally.

It was the decision of Palace to go the tribunal, not Spurs. And the fee was set by that tribunal (not by Spurs), taking all the circumstances and evidence into account.

Nor did we publicly comment on the transfer until it was done. And we certainly didn't publicly say we were after him, that we were confident of getting him and that time was on our side.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
Can someone explain what are the rules when properly conducting a transfer?

for instance i am the gaffer. I want berbatov.

I fax in a request to levy to buy berbatov for 20 million quid.

After they receive the fax, am I allowed to contact his agent to let him know about my interest
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No.

VoetbalWizard said:
does levy have to be the one to let berbatov know about the interest?.............
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Ideally yes. But there's always the press. Adriano Galliani style. Which Rafa used. Which silly Spurs have complained about. Because I doubt declaring an interest in signing a player can ever ever be illegal. But contacting his people or him without the clubs permission is. Agents get around this by contacting interested parties instead.
 
GlastonSpur said:
We offered them a more than fair price, for a player who was only days away from being out of contract and not about to sign a new one. They refused it and thought they'd squeeze more by taking it to a independent tribunal. They were wrong and ended up with far less money that we had offered originally.

It was the decision of Palace to go the tribunal, not Spurs. And the fee was set by that tribunal (not by Spurs), taking all the circumstances and evidence into account.

Nor did we publicly comment on the transfer until it was done. And we certainly didn't publicly say we were after him, that we were confident of getting him and that time was on our side.
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You still have not explained where Fergie publicly made these alleged statements.

You better explain yourself, or else ride your high horse out of here.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He's simply stating the honest reality that Spurs have been damaged by what's occurred and that it's difficult - if not unwise - to keep players who no longer wish to stay...

The fact is that there is a line of behaviour between clubs, which if breached, starts to turn the whole transfer system into chaos and anarchy. That line is increasingly being broken, not least by clubs which complain the loudest when it happens to them. It is in no club's long-term interest that this line is not quickly re-instated and re-inforced with cement....
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That does not mean you have to sell him, we turned downed requests from RVN numerous times. Would saying they are not for sale and Spurs wont be bullied not help reinforce this line? As a Spurs fan does it not seem that as those comments about the players were also thrown in he is just trying to stop the club coming across like a selling club? A front for the fans to make it look like they did all they could but had to let the players go like Carrick? If I was a Spurs fan I would have wanted him to just leave the statement as an accusation on our conduct.

GlastonSpur said:
Was? The summer is not over yet.
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Yes, was. Just like you are taking words from Ferguson relayed through papers as gospel, im taking words from Fergies mouth on the Ronaldo situation as gospel.
 
So what do you reckon then GlastonSpur? Will Spurs be truly looking to keep both players or will you sell to bankroll your Ramos re-building plan?
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
No.

Ideally yes. But there's always the press. Adriano Galliani style. Which Rafa used. Which silly Spurs have complained about. Because I doubt declaring an interest in signing a player can ever ever be illegal. But contacting his people or him without the clubs permission is. Agents get around this by contacting interested parties instead.
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it shouldn't be 'ideally, yes.' There should be a rule protecting the freedom of information for players and management. If an official bid is made for player X, then it should be the duty of the club receiving the bid to share it with the player(s) in question. This doesn't mean that the club can't reject it outright. But the player should be made aware of any interest and approach. If a law like that existed, then you'd have a lot less paper talk shite going on.

So for instance, levy, or in our case gill receive an official bid.

It is rejected, but they are obligated to inform berbatov (or ronaldo) of such a bid. This way, all parties are kept informed, more communication is kept behind closed doors, and there is less animosity IMO.

After a player is informed that a bid occured, it is up to the player to let his employer know of his feeling on the situation. From there, the empolyer will take the best course of action (whether it is to sell or to keep the player regardless of his wishes).
 
charleysurf said:
You still have not explained where Fergie publicly made these alleged statements.

You better explain yourself, or else ride your high horse out of here.
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You have not explained why you are so confident - wishful thinking apart - that he didn't make those statements.

Has he told you personally that he didn't? Are you sure that these quotes are not recorded on tape? Are you confident that lawsuit writs will now start to flow left right and centre to various media outlets from Fergie's office?

If you really think that Levy has made his statement - and formally reported the matter to the Prem. League - merely on the basis of an article in the Sun, then your gullibility knows no bounds.
 
If Fergie did really say it then it is a bit much but what a master stroke by The Sun. Ferguson only said the other day he had bid for someone and then news broke out over him saying Ronaldo was staying as they break this story. It all fits in oh so well to the average footy fan...
 
GlastonSpur said:
We offered them a more than fair price, for a player who was only days away from being out of contract and not about to sign a new one. They refused it and thought they'd squeeze more by taking it to a independent tribunal. They were wrong and ended up with far less money that we had offered originally.

It was the decision of Palace to go the tribunal, not Spurs. And the fee was set by that tribunal (not by Spurs), taking all the circumstances and evidence into account.

Nor did we publicly comment on the transfer until it was done. And we certainly didn't publicly say we were after him, that we were confident of getting him and that time was on our side.
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More than fair? Do feck off!

In your favour, the current system is at fault allowing a player to leave a club that has brought him through before he's signed a professional contract with them. You talk about 'out of contract' as if he'd have been available for free, which is nonsense. If what you've just done were allowed to continue on a larger scale, clubs simply wouldn't bother investing in their own youth acadamys, and the quality of player produced will be inferior. Your attitude to Palace, that have just had their best prospect who will almost certainly be worth multi millions in the future, for pittance, is unbelievably arrogant. And while Levy is preaching virtues about the transfer market, is extremely hypocritical

As for Fergies comments, I'm not going to dismiss them out of hand without knowing, to me they just don't sound like something Fergie would have said. I guess we'll know more in the next days or so. I wonder if Custis' job might be on the line here if they aren't legit...
 
Brad said:
... In your favour, the current system is at fault allowing a player to leave a club that has brought him through before he's signed a professional contract with them. You talk about 'out of contract' as if he'd have been available for free, which is nonsense. If what you've just done were allowed to continue on a larger scale, clubs simply wouldn't bother investing in their own youth acadamys, and the quality of player produced will be inferior. Your attitude to Palace, that have just had their best prospect who will almost certainly be worth multi millions in the future, for pittance, is unbelievably arrogant. And while Levy is preaching virtues about the transfer market, is extremely hypocritical...
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What bollocks. Any club was free to come in and bid for Bostock. By all reports, several other clubs did try, but he wanted to sign for Spurs ... end of story.

Brad said:
As for Fergies comments, I'm not going to dismiss them out of hand without knowing, to me they just don't sound like something Fergie would have said. I guess we'll know more in the next days or so. I wonder if Custis' job might be on the line here if they aren't legit...
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Who the hell is Custis?
 
Well i seriously doubt if SAF made those staments regarding Berbatov...On BBC the source is sun, and if you read the original sun article, it says nameless player. So it look like BBC has speculated.
 
GlastonSpur said:
You have not explained why you are so confident - wishful thinking apart - that he didn't make those statements.

Has he told you personally that he didn't? Are you sure that these quotes are not recorded on tape? Are you confident that lawsuit writs will now start to flow left right and centre to various media outlets from Fergie's office?

If you really think that Levy has made his statement - and formally reported the matter to the Prem. League - merely on the basis of an article in the Sun, then your gullibility knows no bounds.
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I'm quite sure that Levy is an idiot. I've had enough Spurs fans convincing me of that fact in recent years.

So yes, I'm pretty sure Levy's submission to the PL consists of 2 things:

1) a betamax recording of Benitez mentioning LIverpool's interest in Keane in a press conference

2) a photocopy of the article in The Sun.
 
The quotes that everyone is going by are clearly the ones from that Noggie website:

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"We have made Tottenham an offer on Berbatov and we have good expectations that this deal will go through," Ferguson told The Sun.

"Berbatov has been impressive during a long time and would be a great addition to our attack."

While Ferguson admits there are still issues to be resolved with Spurs, including the price of the £20million-plus striker, he is happy to bide his time to ensure a successful pursuit.

"I think time will work for us more than against us," said Ferguson, who is with the United squad in South Africa on a pre-season tour."
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It sounds translated. Ferguson, I can assure you, doesn't speak like that.

Either way, though, I don't doubt he said it. We look like absolute idiots. But, hey, I thought we were wrong to report Real Madrid in the first place, considering that all clubs do it to players they want to sign. And then here's us doing it less than a month later to another club, just as Madrid did it to us.

Only thing is, Glaston seems sure that we're going to be sanctioned in some way. I'll remind him that our complaint to UEFA about Madrid was wholeheartedly dismissed. I don't see why he thinks Spurs will be treated any better than us in that we'll get punished in this situation where Madrid did not.

I hope this means we won't be signing Berbatov, which is what I wanted all along. Still, I would rather we had signed him and not looked like idiots than this alternative, even if the end result is what I originally desired. The price we're paying here is quite high.

And people talk about Ronaldo's lack of integrity.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
it shouldn't be 'ideally, yes.' There should be a rule protecting the freedom of information for players and management.
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The rule is there. The thing is a player is legally not allowed to speak to another club unless given express permission by his club. Regardless of inquiries or bids.

VoetbalWizard said:
If an official bid is made for player X, then it should be the duty of the club receiving the bid to share it with the player(s) in question. This doesn't mean that the club can't reject it outright. But the player should be made aware of any interest and approach. If a law like that existed, then you'd have a lot less paper talk shite going on.
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The club is with in its' rights not to bother telling the player about any bid unless such a clause exist in his contract. Because once a bid is dismissed, the player is not supposed to contact the bidding side. Whether he might be interested in a move or not. Because of this the only alternative left for interested clubs to let a player know they want him is either the Galiani REAL Marca route or his agent contacting them.

VoetbalWizard said:
So for instance, levy, or in our case gill receive an official bid.

It is rejected, but they are obligated to inform berbatov (or ronaldo) of such a bid. This way, all parties are kept informed, more communication is kept behind closed doors, and there is less animosity IMO.

After a player is informed that a bid occured, it is up to the player to let his employer know of his feeling on the situation. From there, the empolyer will take the best course of action (whether it is to sell or to keep the player regardless of his wishes).
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hat would be nice. But it an never works that way. Because if a player wants to go and his club says hell no. Anmosity will remain. Because the player will be unhappy while the bidding club being told to go away rarely takes no for an answer. In a respectful fashion. That is why there is always a media ruckus. Unless the bidding club goes out of it's way to keep it's bidding secret.
 
The difference is, as people have mentioned a number of times here, is that:
- the name of the player was revealed after the official bid was made.
- Real Madrid never even made a bid for Ronaldo.
 
Count Duckula said:
The quotes that everyone is going by are clearly the ones from that Noggie website:



It sounds translated. Ferguson, I can assure you, doesn't speak like that.

Either way, though, I don't doubt he said it. We look like absolute idiots. But, hey, I thought we were wrong to report Real Madrid in the first place, considering that all clubs do it to players they want to sign. And then here's us doing it less than a month later to another club, just as Madrid did it to us.

Only thing is, Glaston seems sure that we're going to be sanctioned in some way. I'll remind him that our complaint to UEFA about Madrid was wholeheartedly dismissed. I don't see why he thinks Spurs will be treated any better than us in that we'll get punished in this situation where Madrid did not.

I hope this means we won't be signing Berbatov, which is what I wanted all along. Still, I would rather we had signed him and not looked like idiots than this alternative, even if the end result is what I originally desired. The price we're paying here is quite high.

And people talk about Ronaldo's lack of integrity.
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If Sir Alex never officially said this then i dont understand why we should look bad because of this.
 
Maroon Lucifer said:
The difference is, as people have mentioned a number of times here, is that:
- the name of the player was revealed after the official bid was made.
- Real Madrid never even made a bid for Ronaldo.
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That doesn't hold water, I'm afraid. We're still publically naming a player we don't own, whether we've bid or not. The problem here isn't so much us saying we've made a bid, but that we said we're completely confident the deal will be done, and very soon at that.
 
Count Duckula said:
That doesn't hold water, I'm afraid. We're still publically naming a player we don't own, whether we've bid or not. The problem here isn't so much us saying we've made a bid, but that we said we're completely confident the deal will be done, and very soon at that.
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allegedly
 
IBleedRed said:
If Sir Alex never officially said this then i dont understand why we should look bad because of this.
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I think he did say it, though. Surely even Spurs cannot be stupid enough to go to the Premier League with a source that they're unsure about. They'd look like complete idiots, and they're always so concerned with their image.
 
Count Duckula said:
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Only thing is, Glaston seems sure that we're going to be sanctioned in some way. I'll remind him that our complaint to UEFA about Madrid was wholeheartedly dismissed. I don't see why he thinks Spurs will be treated any better than us in that we'll get punished in this situation where Madrid did not.
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The FA's known hatred for us might have something to do with his confidence IMO. It might rub off on the PL.
 
Count Duckula said:
That doesn't hold water, I'm afraid. We're still publically naming a player we don't own, whether we've bid or not. The problem here isn't so much us saying we've made a bid, but that we said we're completely confident the deal will be done, and very soon at that.
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Either we did, or we didn't. And we're not sure that we did considering the sources.
 
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