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You have talked about Berbatov, what about Keane, is he now going to be a problem as well. Does that mean you are a selling club then or what. Levy came out with the statement as a response to "mistreatment" of the club and to set a standard as you said. There was no need to drop hints to the fans that the transfers are still in the offing and say how they would still move forward was there.

GlastonSpur said:
Yes, so what's new? It's all down to what is 'reasonable'. Levy has long set his benchmark - he won't budge, especially after all this nonsense.
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You have said you are not willing to keep unhappy players etc but the team is going to get every penny they can. That means it is a distinct possibility that you will have these suddenly cancerous under contract players as part of the team. Im sure us and Liverpool have our benchmarks as well.

GlastonSpur said:
I've already recently set out in another thread (I think it was another thread anyhow, but it could have been this one) how it will be quite possible for Spurs to lose both Keane and Berbatov and end up with a stronger team, playing in a different formation (4-2-3-1). I'm not going to repeat it all here, but 45m goes a long way.
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Yes I remember it and as i said at the time it was based on hypothetical transfers and a reliance on Dos Santos and Modric etc. That team was not good enough to break the top four in my opinion. That is the aim, no...
 
KeyserSoze said:
You have talked about Berbatov, what about Keane, is he now going to be a problem as well. Does that mean you are a selling club then or what.
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It means what I've already said: that any player who wants to leave can do so provided we get enough money for them - money that will allow us to sign good replacements and/or strengthen the team in other areas.

A selling club is a club that survives financially only by aiming to regularly sell players for more than they paid for them - Spurs are not in that position, since we have the 11th largest club income in the world and very little debt.

Spurs are a club with serious ambitions for top 4 and beyond, and we're a club that puts considerable money in the service of those ambitions, as our transfer dealings have again shown this summer so far. We are also a club that prefers not to force players to stay if they wish to leave. If that makes us a 'selling club' in your eyes, then so be it. It doesn't alter the truth.

KeyserSoze said:
Yes I remember it and as i said at the time it was based on hypothetical transfers and a reliance on Dos Santos and Modric etc. That team was not good enough to break the top four in my opinion.
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With an extra 45m to spend, a lot of 'hypothetical' transfers will suddenly become rather less 'hypothetical'.

As to predictions for next season, I'll wait until the window has closed for all clubs, not just Spurs.
 
Ok fair enough, im not going to argue every point, this is losing a bit of steam for me. Two of your best players and your first choice partnership are still apparently up for sale though or will have an attitude which affects their performance if they stay, so I just dont see it (Im guessing you think Keane will go down this route, as you wont respond). The hypothetical players were also Bentley and Veloso from what I remember... are them deals even going to happen... would you then be good enough to compete. Who knows.
 
KeyserSoze said:
... (Im guessing you think Keane will go down this route, as you wont respond). ...
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I've already said that both Berbatov and Keane will be sold. Keane will be gone by Monday at the latest probably.
 
I was referring to whether you also thought he would be problematic if he was priced out of a move, as you dont want unhappy players.
 
GlastonSpur said:
We offered them a more than fair price, for a player who was only days away from being out of contract and not about to sign a new one. They refused it and thought they'd squeeze more by taking it to a independent tribunal. They were wrong and ended up with far less money that we had offered originally..
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Bollocks. I have little time for Simon Jordan but I have sympathy for him in this instance. Palace are a small club who have invested heavily in their Youth scheme and reaped some reward - see Bostock, Moses and Scannell. You've ripped them off paying well under the market rate for what in my view is an exceptional talent worth at least £3.5M if not the £5M they were asking for.
 
KeyserSoze said:
I was referring to whether you also thought he would be problematic if he was priced out of a move, as you dont want unhappy players.
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Not as unhappy as Berbatov would be, but it's academic since I think he'll be gone in the next few days.
 
GlastonSpur, you will be left without any strikers at all.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Not as unhappy as Berbatov would be, but it's academic since I think he'll be gone in the next few days.
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Can't wait. Not just because he's a class player but because this summer needs to end. The sooner we sign him and the Ronaldo rumours die down the better.

Are you lot not looking for strikers already? Do you not know of specific targets yet? You'll certainly have cash...
 
That statement by Levy looks like he is just trying to appease the Spurs fans before flogging Keane and Berbetov off.
I can’t see why he has publicly berated both players though, Keane especially, it seems he might have shot himself in the foot, clubs are more likely too let Spurs sweat and bid low full in the knowledge that Spurs have two want away players on their books who are likely too be detested by the fans were they too end up staying.

On a side note I have just got off the phone with a friend living in Spain and he says there is speculation that Barcelona are prepping a bid of some sort with Rafael Marquez going in the opposition direct....hmmmm.
 
peterstorey said:
Bollocks. I have little time for Simon Jordan but I have sympathy for him in this instance. Palace are a small club who have invested heavily in their Youth scheme and reaped some reward - see Bostock, Moses and Scannell. You've ripped them off paying well under the market rate for what in my view is an exceptional talent worth at least £3.5M if not the £5M they were asking for.
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'Well under the market rate'?

Did Spurs have a closed-shop market to operate in then, with all other clubs excluded from bidding? Obviously not.

Any and all clubs could have bid if they'd wanted to (and according to reports several clubs were interested). So the simple fact is that Spurs won the competition to sign in him in a free market and open market in which any club was free to bid and Bostock was free to join any club that made him an offer.

You seem to expect Spurs to have given money to Palace as if they were a deserving charity and not a business. If you feel that way then write to Wenger and suggest that Arsenal donate a few million.

If Palace could have gotten more money from another club then they would have done so. They couldn't, so they tried squeezing us via a tribunal and ended up getting less than we'd originally offered. Their fault, their stupidity.
 
Kelvin said:
There has been substantial speculation in respect of the futures of Dimitar Berbatov and Robbie Keane, including press comment from both Sir Alex Ferguson and Rafa Benitez. In response our Chairman, Daniel Levy has made the following statement:

"Today's public comments by Manchester United's manager, announcing that he has made an offer for Dimitar and is confident that the deal will go through with time working in their favour, is a blatant example of sheer arrogance and interference with one of our players. It is also probably one of the worst offences by any manager in the Premier League to date and is unbelievably hypocritical given his recent comments in respect of Cristiano Ronaldo and Real Madrid.

"This comes after a series of events, dating back to last summer, which have shown Manchester United to be in breach of Premier League (PL) rules. As a result, we have today made an official complaint to the PL about the conduct of Manchester United. Benitez made similar comments in respect of Robbie recently and we made an official complaint to the PL about the conduct of Liverpool earlier this week.

"The behaviour of both clubs has been disgraceful. We told both clubs very early on that we had no interest in selling Robbie or Dimitar, respectively, and that they should refrain from pursuing the player. Both clubs arrogantly chose to ignore this request and we now have evidence that both clubs have systematically been working to prise the players away from us, outside of PL rules of conduct.

"Our subsequent position has been severely compromised by both clubs making their intentions widely known and indeed making contact with the players and their agents, without the Club's permission.

"I have absolutely no wish to sell either player and to date we have not accepted any offer for either. However, when a player's head is turned and their commitment is absent, particularly when they occupy key positions such as that of striker, they become a negative influence in a team dressing room in which they were once a positive addition and influence. This is the situation we now have on our hands, with both Dimitar and Robbie having made it clear that they wish to leave for Manchester Utd and Liverpool respectively.
"Irrespective of the outcome and futures of Robbie and Dimitar, we are continuing to seek to bring in quality, talented players for the future, who want to play in a Spurs shirt."

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/chairmanspeaksout180708.html

forget about getting him then.
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This kind of suggests that hes resigned to losing them both.


Im no expert on the rules but liverpool have acted differently to us in that theyve come out and said they want keane in the press before theyve made an offer (like madrid)
Whereas united have said nothing to the press until we had made a bid for berbatov (or un named player) in private.

I can just see liverpool getting off scot free, and the book being thrown at united. this would be the normal thing to happen.
Although we still dont know if its the press twisting safs words or not. benitez seemingly doesnt have a leg to stand on though, but as i said - scot free.
 
peterstorey said:
Step forward £16.5M man Darren Bent (Who? Ed.)
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And Dos Santos, who can operate as a 2nd striker. But for sure we'll sign an additional striker also - someone like Milito or Pavlyuchencko (sp ?) probably.

We also have 19 year-old Tomas Pekhart, Czech U-21 player, who did very well for the reserves last season and is currently training with the first team squad out in Spain. He may get a few run-outs in the League Cup or something.
 
So whats the latest? Is Levy putting his foot down or is the guy ours?

Glaston and other Spurs board members welcome to reply.
 
I say if he wants to go spurs should let him. spurs fans dont want a player at the club when he doent want to be there. they wont want to sing his name anymore, and are probably starting to think him a greasy haired cnut.
Come on spurs let dimitar have his dream.

Anyway they should feel honoured that the biggest club in the world is interested in one of their players.:)
 
GlastonSpur said:
And Dos Santos, who can operate as a 2nd striker. But for sure we'll sign an additional striker also - someone like Milito or Pavlyuchencko (sp ?) probably.

We also have 19 year-old Tomas Pekhart, Czech U-21 player, who did very well for the reserves last season and is currently training with the first team squad out in Spain. He may get a few run-outs in the League Cup or something.
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Mate, you can't win anything with kids :smirk:
 
giggs-beckham said:
I say if he wants to go spurs should let him. spurs fans dont want a player at the club when he doent want to be there. they wont want to sing his name anymore, and are probably starting to think him a greasy haired cnut.
Come on spurs let dimitar have his dream.

Anyway they should feel honoured that the biggest club in the world is interested in one of their players.:)
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Cornell said:
A bit of action so he can tell Spurs fans "We did all we could". Brilliant.
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And then ships him off to barca! not so brillant.

This is gonna get ugly and will drag and drag. wish i could go to sleep and wake up when the transfer window is closed and hope for good news.
 
I've not really been following this. Had other threads more pressing!
I was under the impression from what I had read that Spurs and United were just haggling over a fee. Spurs wanted 30M and United had offered 20.5M.
Where did this all go wrong?
 
KeyserSoze said:
:lol: Yeah you come in here and say it quite often. Never elaborate though.
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:lol:

My thoughts:
1. He is arrogant
2. He will play like Van Nistelrooy and restrict our play
3. He is 27 already which means if he struggles, we will not get anything out of him.
4. I admit, I am a huge Tevez fan and I cannot bear to see him being dropped. Tevez shines in pressuring times anyway.

*Although if we really sign him, I will still support him because he is a Manchester United player, and he plays for the team.
 
hycool said:
2. He will play like Van Nistelrooy and restrict our play
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Wtf? Berbatov is one of the best link up players in the league!!

My only concern would be that he isnt RVN-like enough in the box.
 
Personally I think the RVN-phobia is getting a bit out of hand. Every time we look at an out and out striker, some say he'd just be like RVN and 'restrict our play'. Well last season I thought that there were times we looked absolutely clueless out there, Rooney drifting out wide, Tevez dropping deep and working hard, there was no "go to guy" in the box. Personally I think Berbatov's technique is top 3 in the world, he IS world class, his first touch is unbelievable. He can definitely improve out play rather than disrupting it.
 
hycool - Berbatov is nothing like RVN in terms of build-up play. Have you consistently seen him in action? He's a wonderful player, if he had pace, he'd be the perfect player for us. However, we may slightly change the way we play, and rather than having the front 4 interchange, it will be a roaming 3 behind a static 1 - much akin to Milan, though Im not sure how it would pan out at United...
 
Why are the Spuds moaning, didn't FIFA say its ok to tap up players?
They told us to feck off when we moaned about Real.
I say we call spuds, tell them we have no more interest in Berbatov, let them deal with him, lets properly tap up some other players.
 
anything about now said:
Personally I think the RVN-phobia is getting a bit out of hand. Every time we look at an out and out striker, some say he'd just be like RVN and 'restrict our play'. Well last season I thought that there were times we looked absolutely clueless out there, Rooney drifting out wide, Tevez dropping deep and working hard, there was no "go to guy" in the box. Personally I think Berbatov's technique is top 3 in the world, he IS world class, his first touch is unbelievable. He can definitely improve out play rather than disrupting it.
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Well.. true to a certain extent. Van Nistelrooy also had good techniques, strong in the air and willingness to dribble. Just that when everyone start man-marking him, he is easily cut off from the rest. Plus, given Ronaldo's confidence in shooting and Rooney's vow to shoot more and score more often, Berbatov will not link well with them.
 
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