It was during Ronaldo-gate and Euro08, plus we didn't exactly keep it hush hush.. I guess, if it didn't coincide with those two, we would've got them on the back of the tabloids and all. But the fact that MUTV went along with it, proves that you can't take anything said in the media other than with a pinch of salt. Tabloids, in particular, are always looking for ways to fill their back pages.
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It was during Ronaldo-gate and Euro08, plus we didn't exactly keep it hush hush.. I guess, if it didn't coincide with those two, we would've got them on the back of the tabloids and all. But the fact that MUTV went along with it, proves that you can't take anything said in the media other than with a pinch of salt. Tabloids, in particular, are always looking for ways to fill their back pages.
Evidence in the form of The Sun.. right.
The first paragraph of Levys statement:
He is basing this attack on Fergie on these quotes in The Sun.
So if it turns out that these "public comments" were to a group of Norwegian United fans then he is going to look an idiot.
Yeah, but according to Glastonspurs, it some secret evidence. . .that even Levy's not way of. He does look a tit, though, going by what he said in that paragraph.
So, when is the likelihood of these deals being done (if at all)?
In 5 minutes or so.
I reckon they'll be done with in the next couple of weeks. Levy's happy with our bid, and Berb wants to move to the European Champions. . . he's just trying to convince the fans that he's a trifle unhappy.
Levy's statement does not refer to The Sun.
If you read the post above from someone else you'll see that Fergie made his comments to "an official fan club, the scandinavian branch of One United" - not some obscure, random website with no links to the club.
But I repeat, the tapping up evidence does not relate to Fergie's comments. As Levy's statement says:
""Today's public comments by Manchester United's manager ... comes after a series of events, dating back to last summer, which have shown Manchester United to be in breach of Premier League (PL) rules. ... we ... have evidence that both clubs [i.e. Liverpool as well] have systematically been working to prise the players away from us, outside of PL rules of conduct ... making contact with the players and their agents, without the Club's permission."
Explain how comments to norwegian United fans ends up being "public comments" used to "tap up" Berbatov? Does Berbatov talk to many norwegian united fans?
Why make this the lead paragraph if he has better evidence that just The Sun quotes?
Great, if that's true then Spurs will win a mighty victory over the sinister clubs in question and all will be well.
I suspect though that what will actually happen is that both players will be sold for a more than fair price £27 million for Berbatov and £20 million for Keane and suddenly Spurs threats of action will vanish overnight. Then Spurs will finish 5th or 6th maintaining the status quo in the league.
I'm still confused as to how Keane would cost so much less than Berbatov unless another club is also bidding for Berbatov. He's only half a year older and has a near identical record with Berbatov.
I give up after this: for the nth time - and try getting this through your apparently thick skull - Fergie's comments do not constitute tapping up and Levy's statement does not say they do.
Levy's statement refers to tapping up evidence they've compiled stretching back to last summer. It seems that Spurs were prepared to sit on this evidence and take no action until Fergie's stupid comments became the last straw that broke the camel's back.
No. . .it clearly doesn't mean that.
Today's public comments by Manchester United's manager, announcing that he has made an offer for Dimitar and is confident that the deal will go through with time working in their favour, is a blatant example of sheer arrogance and interference with one of our players. It is also probably one of the worst offences by any manager in the Premier League to date.
Interference. One of the worst offences. Nice one Levy. Stupid doesn't quite cover it. Sun reader probably does though.
But you've been throwing your toys out of the pram because of these quotes in The Sun:
These quotes in The Sun are at the heart of your argument that United have conducted a "campaign" to unsettle Berbatov.
So your accusations are based on comments in private to some norwegian united fans.
I think you better retract some of the bile you've thrown at Fergie until you see if there is real proof of this "campaign" provided by Levy.
Glaston's already changed his story. He has gone from referring to the sun quotes as if they were the gospel, to now making out that comments in private to some Norwegian supporters group who shouldn't have then reported them on a website, as being a deliberate public attempt to unsettle Berbatov.
I take his point on the "we have evidence going back a year" thing. Which if true should be given to the premier league immediately so that they can sit on it for months before weakly telling us not to do it again like they did with Chelsea.
There is a reason why that article from the Norwegian site is taken off earlier soon after. Until it can be proven and substantiated, it shouldn't be there in the first place.
you´re starting to look a bit titish so ease of fffs
and tell us how Spurs tapped up that young player from QPR or Palace - loads of fans from the club concerned having a go at Levy on SSN- pot kettle sort of things
The bloke on setanta said that the reporters at the airport asked saf if hed made a bid for berbatov and that he just said yes. so mabey they took that and incorperated it into the first story about the un named player.
Mabey he shouldve said no comment though.
Mabey he shouldve said no comment though.
Top top post mate. I agree 100%
A Spurs match going mate of mine is saying that Levy is resigned to losing Berbatov and possibly Keane and that he is just trying to cover his back by making those statements. Finally, a reasonable response from a true match going fan.
....thereby negating the key part of his genius: exquisite vision and ability to play others into the game.
genius!
Levy is throwing a hissy fit so that we will give them a few million more to get the whole deal over with.
Have you guys just started following football? Didn't they use similar tactics with Carrick?
When we went for Saha (Rooney), Fulham (Everton) were saying the same thing and Coleman (Moyes) said there's no way they will sell him and United will have Saha (Rooney) over his dead body. A few million more and Saha (Rooney) is taking his picture with SAF on the pitch with his new shirt.
And I think Coleman's still alive.
Have you guys just started following football? Didn't they use similar tactics with Carrick?
When we went for Saha (Rooney), Fulham (Everton) were saying the same thing and Coleman (Moyes) said there's no way they will sell him and United will have Saha (Rooney) over his dead body. A few million more and Saha (Rooney) is taking his picture with SAF on the pitch with his new shirt.
And I think Coleman's still alive.
You don't have to drop off to play a pass. He can bring others into play from the front lines, as he did in his first season at Spurs. It was only last year that he started dropping so deep and playing behind Keane so often.
If he drops deep, Rooney will be playing the same role as he did this year. Its up to you whether you want to see that continue. I'd much rather see what made Wayne Rooney a household name all over the world.
Course he would lose a bit of his exquisite vision and ability to play others into the game by not dropping deep and having a better view of whats going on around him. Better him than Rooney.
you obviously haven't watched much of Berbatov to say that.
at Spurs, even season before last, he dropped off and played 'between the lines'.
what you seem unable to realise is that football is dynamic. we've worked hard developing our movement, with players rotating to cover/exploit spaces. it's not as if Rooney would be permanently marooned up top. in fact, quite the opposite. and on occasion it might even be Ronaldo, or Tevez.
what Berbatov would give us is a genuine focal point around which those other players can rotate. the focal point needn't be anchored.
in any case, i'm satisfied that SAF is buying the player because he is convinced he's fine as he is and those qualities can be exploited by allowing him to play his natural game. this is a 27 year-old player, not a teenager.
excellent post, obviously a knowledgable and experienced head there.
Our football isnt so structured and defined like ekeke seems to think.
He played as the focal point of attack playing his passes from the front line, rather than behind Keane constantly making runs in front of him. He was the same at Leverkusen. Last season he spent most of his time behind Keane, though they swapped at times like Rooney and Tevez are supposed to. Berbatov spent far less time in the box than previously.
Levy is just playing the all too common public relations exercise to keep the fans sweet.
good post. agrippa must play for a coca cola championship team
Yep, readying himself for the "we did everything we could to keep him here" plea to the fans. They'll be more pissed off if Keane goes to be honest - they must expect Berbatov to leave this summer.
Oi cripples...
A two man strikeforce will interchange, swap positions and alternate roles, even in Sunday league football - they would otherwise be very predictable and easy to mark. Berbatov has always dropped deep, played the channels and readily accepted the ball on his nodder, his span of talents make him what he is - a world class footballer. When he links with Rooney or Tevez, it will be something to behold, magical, i totally believe this. He has a fantastic understanding with other footballers, flattering the distinctly average Voronin, and being a massive contributor to Keanes recent fruition. Funny how both have ended up at Liverpool - Rafa was scouting the wrong player both times.
And to sum it up, Berbatov offers us a meaty Bulgarian forehead to poke balls at, no it has nothing to do with teabagging, he will be a perfect target for crosses, in games where we are struggling to plot a way through the heart of a team who have shut up shop, slimmed the field and parked a bus in front of the defence a la City.
He will be a top top top buy.
A two man strikeforce will interchange, swap positions and alternate roles, even in Sunday league football - they would otherwise be very predictable and easy to mark. Berbatov has always dropped deep, played the channels and readily accepted the ball on his nodder, his span of talents make him what he is - a world class footballer. When he links with Rooney or Tevez, it will be something to behold, magical, i totally believe this. He has a fantastic understanding with other footballers, flattering the distinctly average Voronin, and being a massive contributor to Keanes recent fruition. Funny how both have ended up at Liverpool - Rafa was scouting the wrong player both times.
And to sum it up, Berbatov offers us a meaty Bulgarian forehead to poke balls at, no it has nothing to do with teabagging, he will be a perfect target for crosses, in games where we are struggling to plot a way through the heart of a team who have shut up shop, slimmed the field and parked a bus in front of the defence a la City.
He will be a top top top buy.
It's ironic that the first three words of a 65 page long topic are "end of thread."
I don't know why you guys even bother. GlastonSpur has proved time and time again that he's a complete spastic and will never give in even when it's obvious he's dead wrong.
Highly debatable.
More ironic than the song.
In which the only irony was the fact that nothing she said was in any way ironic.
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