Yeah I posted it earlier in the thread, not sure of the totals though. Should be able to get them from OPTA stats.
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That formation needs two swash-buckling full-backs to provide width. We have that on the left, with Evra. The return of Nev will give us much more width on the right.
I have huge respect for Wes but I don't think he ever felt comfortbale in the final third which meant that we did lose width when Ronaldo cut inside. With Nev steaming down the touchline, on over-lapping runs, we will have much more width then we had last season.
What I don't get is why do people just try and stick all the 'best' players on the pitch at once? Berba will surely be paired with either Rooney OR Tevez for the majority of the time in a fluid and interchangable 442. When all four are on at once I higly doubt they'd line up like that, as Smashed said too narrow really.
Ah missed it. I'll have a look, I remember Berbs and Rooney being quite close, but it was early.
That's an oxymoron though. 442 is probably the least fluid and interchangeable formations we could use.
442 is dead. Long live 4231!
As someone already mentioned, I can remember Tevez being quite frustrating with some of his passing. And often he was found far too deep to be truly effective in his position. Rooney's movement is leagues ahead of Tevez and without Rooney's general play, we'd have struggled a lot. Without Tevez on the pitch we were fine in terms of general play - its the goal threat we missed.
Honestly mate it's not. You just have players changing their positions within it, this maintains the width but keeps the defenders guessing as well.
Anyways formations are pretty much bollocks, the way that we play nowdays whether you call it 442 or 4231, when we're taking the piss out of teams you know as well as I do it might as well be called 424
With players like Rooney and Ronaldo, even a 442 could be extremely fluid. It just depends who is played next to them. Some of our players are great with tactical change dependant on certain situations. Others arent quite so astute.
What happened the last time we were happy to be patient when bidding along with barca? i dont see why these things have to take so long.
On the blower:
Gill - yo spurs we want berbatov, 20m?
Spurs - he wants to go but 20 is too cheap, 30m?
Gill - 30? your having a laugh, come on 23m!
Spurs - uuuuum, ok lets meet in the middle 25 and hes yours.
gill - do you know what sunbeam, youve got a deal! ill let the sun know.
Spurs - sweet, ill tell marca.
On the blower:
Gill - yo spurs we want berbatov, 20m?
Spurs - he wants to go but 20 is too cheap, 30m?
Gill - 30? your having a laugh, come on 23m!
Spurs - uuuuum, ok lets meet in the middle 25 and hes yours.
gill - do you know what sunbeam, youve got a deal! ill let the sun know.
Spurs - sweet, ill tell marca.
Last Two Seasons. All club competitions.
Rooney 41 goals. 28 assists.
Ronaldo 65 goals. 28 assists.
Berbatov 49 goals. 29 assists.
Last Two Seasons. All club competitions.
Rooney 41 goals. 28 assists.
Ronaldo 65 goals. 28 assists.
Berbatov 49 goals. 29 assists.
So totals would be
Ronaldo 93
Berbatov 78
Rooney 69
Sky must have only been doing Prem goals then
I think so. Premier League only in the last two seasons is...
Rooney 26 goals. 24 assists.
Ronaldo 49 goals. 21 assists.
Berbatov 27 goals. 22 assists.
I still think it's a useful distinction. In your case 4231 suggests that the CMs will play deep (and Scholes won't get as many goals as he used to) and that the wingers will play narrow (and not go down the flank behind the fullback as often as they used to).
But that's what I'm trying to say, they way you present it is static. There's a massive difference between tactics and formations.
In my view formations are only really useful in picking the team and helping the idiots at Sky and the BBC out. How many times have watched an Arsenal match on the box and they read out the 'formation' adn you've sat their and thought 'there's absolutely no way that's how were playing today' and being right.
4231 suggests nothing really about the width as formations in the mode that we discuss them only stratify the pitch lengthways i'd say tactics and the players available decide the width, tempo, movement etc.
Last Two Seasons. All club competitions.
Rooney 41 goals. 28 assists.
Ronaldo 65 goals. 28 assists.
Berbatov 49 goals. 29 assists.
For all those who have been doubting Berbatov's quality.
Yeah always caftards doubting new additions. I had doubts about Tevez last season but not Berbatov cause he is exactly what we need.
Or we might see Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez, swapping positions for fun, just behind Berbatov (my personal preference)
Mine also.
Truly
stuff.Mine also.
Truly
You've certainly come round Sammy boy!
I'm not happy, he doesn't have a South American/Latino name.
That is all.
That is all.
Got the amount of starts each made during those two years in the premiership? I'd imagine Rooney has started a fair few less games due to injury.
is that the opposite of include??
veron was an unmittigated disaster for the club on 2 fronts...1st he didnt fit our playing style and 2nd he broke up the best balanced mid you'll ever see.
Big woop.
Rooney 58. Berbatov 63. Not a huge difference.
Or we might see Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez, swapping positions for fun, just behind Berbatov (my personal preference
Its usually Ronaldo, Anderson and Nani swapping positions, just behind a blonde prostitute.
But are they doing it "for fun"?
Not huge no, but enough to bring the stats into perspective when you consider a lot of people consider Rooney to have had a "bad" season last year. I personally dont and I consider Berbatov to have had a good year too.
Rooney 89. Berbatov 87. Starts in all competitions.
Compare it to the goals and assists. May bring it a little more into perspective.
Rooney 89. Berbatov 87. Starts in all competitions.
Compare it to the goals and assists. May bring it a little more into perspective.
So Rooney and Berbatov are quite good then.
So, is Berba. coming or not? ;D
we need spurs to accept our bid.
Apparently we've made a £25 mil offer, but i like to talk out of my arse, the sound of it is quite harmonising.
Is it? Well, make a youtube video and let us caftards judge.
There's no way i can film it. I spit alot when i do it, don't wanna get the camera dirty.
Rooney 89. Berbatov 87. Starts in all competitions.
Compare it to the goals and assists. May bring it a little more into perspective.
So both have had 2 good years. As I said.
You also said "Not huge no, but enough to bring the stats into perspective..." based on a five game difference. There is now a two game difference the other way.
The second paragraph is daft, Rooney can move to the flanks playing behind the lead striker in a 442, or he could drop into central midfield, or push right up and try and run onto flick ons, the position gives him more options then any in a 451Like I said, I'm not sure. We might see Rooney playing on either side of Berbs, as part of a front three. Or we might see Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez, swapping positions for fun, just behind Berbatov (my personal preference
Rooney is clearly being developed into a total footballer, equally at home in any of the positions in the final third and, interestingly enough, some of his best work last season came from out wide (the cross to Wes Brown, which kick-started our annihilation of Liverpool being a good example of this) As you well know (having argued about this a lot last season
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