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Of course there will be a trade deal at some point, that's not the point. It's the leaving with nothing, it's going to take time to negotiate a trade deal but as it is if the UK leave in March they'll be on WTO terms in April and will be out of all agreements, and the country grinding to a halt which I know you still think is scaremongering.
She wanted to line the unicorns up in order of height.
Year or even decades. Much longer with this shower of clueless shit conducting negotiations.
He’s incompetent
Seriously, what happens to Euromillions lottery!?
It was over an amendment put forward by the Liberal Party to set up a select committee to investigate a government decision to drop criminal proceedings against the editor of the Communist newspaper Workers Weekly, which had recently published an article encouraging the armed forces to mutiny.
After the government lost by 364 votes to 198, the prime minister declared the issue a matter of confidence and obtained a dissolution of the Commons the following day, which led to a general election that Labour lost.
Source: Sky News
https://news.sky.com/story/may-tops-list-of-biggest-government-defeats-11608104
At the speed they take to agree with one another we'll all be long dead before they manage their first agreement.
Cameron had 1 or 2 defeats, but i'm struggling to find the one where he lost by 75 in 2014
I was talking to the other guy about the original scenario of voting to leave the EU and being out of everything, then seeking a trade deal. This never happened.
It took six months for May to explain what her Brexit plan was in Jan 2017 (a bold speech). Then she sought a greater majority in the election to strengthen her position, then after that capitulated to what we have now.
The fact is, no deal has never been an option, and the EU knew the government never had the stomach for it. So we have this almighty clusterfeck. The EU have played this masterfully.
This should all have been dealt with in December.
The EU didn't play anything, no deal is de facto the primary option. It was the only guarantee, which some of us mentioned, the issue is that british politicians did their best to pretend that it wasn't the case, they thought that german manufacturers and french farmers would put pressure on their respective governments.
Vernon Bogdanor, the politics professor and constitutional expert, has told Sky News that he thinks tonight’s vote make a no-deal Brexit more likely than a second referendum. He pointed out that the Commons has already passed legislation saying the UK will be leaving the EU on 29 March. Holding a second referendum would be very difficult, he said, because the government would have to pass legislation, and Brexiters would “fight it tooth and nail”. He went on:
There are about 40 odd sitting days left till March 29. If no other statute is passed, we leave without a deal. I take the view ... that the vote tonight makes a no-deal departure more likely than a second referendum.
Source: Guardian
There are about 40 odd sitting days left till March 29. If no other statute is passed, we leave without a deal. I take the view ... that the vote tonight makes a no-deal departure more likely than a second referendum.
Source: Guardian
The DUP will vote with the government and not give up their cushty deal. Other tories won’t go against government on a confidence vote. He hasn’t got the numbers to win.
They would fight it tooth and nail, but you'd imagine that if May proposed a second referendum she'd have enough support from opposition MPs to win the vote.
That's what I'm saying, to leave completely and then try to get a trade deal would be catastrophic but even then the Uk still had to untangle itself from the EU which is the purpose of the withdrawal agreement and the transition to negotiate a trade deal without falling off the proverbial cliff.
No deal is not off the table yet, it could even still happen by accident. The EU are expecting either cancellation or no deal.
I read this a lot but cannot for the life of me understand it. Both the EU and the UK should be embarrassed for not having come up with something amicable.
The EU sat back and watched as the government became more and more divisive, and quickly saw that we would be the ones grovelling to them for a trade deal. The trade deal became more important than leaving, which set the tone for how the process would play out.
It's like saying to a person who's come to buy your car, " I must sell this car at any price".
The onus was never on the EU to do anything. We brought this about and it was upto us to try and negotiate a deal, the EU were only ever going to say yes or no.
Unless you expect the EU to literally govern the UK, they weren't going to decide for the UK. The only issue here is that the UK wants contradictory things because they are totally unable to find a consensus, the EU didn't create that situation it's a british issue and it's the issue that created the referendum and also led to a narrow brexit result. As a nation you don't have a clue about what you want to do with yourself.
For that reason earlier in this thread I suggested that the UK should only trigger art.50 when they are ready but selfish politicians decided to rush it in fear of damaging their personal careers.
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I have no idea what's going on with this shitshow.
How likely is it that we just cancel Brexit and stay in the EU?
How likely is it that we just cancel Brexit and stay in the EU?
1 in 4 chance I'd say. The other 3 options being a second referendum, general election or no deal.
It would cause absolute uproar across the country. Then again, so would almost every other avenue. It really is Pandora's box.
Right, well I say we all just get drunk because I’m completely out of ideas
Interesting. What's the sentiment in the UK regarding a second referendum? Would remain win or margin widen for leave?
The mental gymnastics to blame the EU is impressive.
I see Mrs May is wearing the Elizabeth I/Margaret Thatcher necklace again; unfortunately, the only fundamental thing she has in common with them is vanity.
That's right. The EU hasn't shown any weakness whatsoever in the whole process because they are totally united in what they want, where as we are completely divided.
They've played it out perfectly.
One of four options:
- Hard Brexit, as in UK leaving without a deal. UK gets fecked essentially.
- renegotiation. EU has no intention on doing so.
- getting some extra time for Brexit. EU will do so only if UK makes an another referendum.
- UK finds its lost senses, and decides to stay in EU.
To be fair to her, it must be exhausting being quite so shit. I don’t think I could manage it personally
I'm not blaming the EU in all this, they're simply protecting their own interests.
If they have a second referendum they must let 16 year old votes for it like the Scottish referendum. I’m still worried about a stalemate and then a no deal.
It's incredible the absolute shitshow this country has been put through by the Tory party in recent years, and yet if there were a general election tomorrow I wouldn't be confident of a Labour win.
Ah, sorry, misunderstood you there.