Mass shooting at Gay night club in Orlando

How easy is it to get a gun in the US, like really? From reading some of the posts here it seems like you can decide to buy one in a hissy-fit on sunday, and have it by monday.

I had to wait a few days to pick mine up. The bloke in the shop gave me the answers to the test too.
 
The simple facts are this happened in the UK and Australia and they both banned guns. Neither country has seen it happen since then. Coincidence? I think not. I appreciate the USA and their situation is very different, and the 2nd amendment and the constant misinterpretation of it doesn't help, nor do the NRA who in my mind are a criminal organisation that prey on peoples fears. But, the plain fact is that there is no need to own a fecking assault rifle or many of the military grade weapons you can buy in the United States, and not only buy them, but in supermarkets like Wal-Mart in plain view for all to see.

Polls show that the vast majority of American citizens want a change to the laws, and in time, with proper education, proper regulation, and gun amnesty, I have no doubt that this problem could be solved. However that is never going to happen all the time guns are glamorised by so many people and you even have morons like (at the time, Presidential Candidate) Ted Cruz saying he went out on Christmas Eve to buy a gun so if ISIS came to town he could defend his family. He's also the same moron who cooked bacon on his assault rifles barrel. Couple all that with extremely poor mental health treatment and a huge drug trade and you have a recipe for disaster, and in truth America at times, looks and behaves more like somewhere in the Middle East.

Everyone needs to get on the same page, and until the money comes out of politics that is never going to happen. The will is there with the people, unfortunately money talks, and too many people are getting paid to promote and keep gun laws as they are, when that stops, then and only then can you start to make a change.

Totally agree.
 
Exactly right!

Also the stupidity of the 2nd amendment in the modern world is hilarious. Can you imagine the people defending themselves against drones and F22 Raptor strikes?

At least to CR's credit he isn't one of those loons who owns a gun because he's scared of the feds...or is he?
 
Do you have children? Where do you keep your gun? Do you ever worry about someone else - albeit a child, friend, relative, - getting hold of the gun?

I dont understand how it's in anyway sensible to keep a gun.

Is your gun kept in a safe? If so, how are you ever going to get to it if you need it.

If it's not in a safe, then you can't guarantee that at some point, someone else is going to have access to it. Can you?
I used to have a tyre lever beside my bed in case anyone broke in. An AR-15 would've been more effective. Would be worried that I do something with it when pissed though.
 
:lol:

What kind of questions did it contain?

I can't even remember. I'm sure they were easy if you know a bit about shooters. I just bought mine on a whim. I've fired it twice at the range in 6 years. fecking waste of money.

I do take it out sometimes and talk to it...
 
:lol:

What kind of questions did it contain?

1. Have you ever fired two guns while jumping in the air?

2. Have you ever fired one gun while jumping in the air?

3. Is it true that there's a point on a man's head where if you shoot it, it will blow up?

4. Have you ever fired your gun up in the air and gone ahh?
 
Well, it is certainly not healthy that one can get a AR-15 with a few days wait.

As an example, to get a pistol in Norway you will need to have a perfect police record, mental health and notice of "decency" from the police. Then you have to be a member of a pistol club for one year where you are trained in safe use, safe keeping and gun etiquette etc. then after one year as a member there you can apply to buy a gun.
 
Q1. Are you a nutter?
Q2. Are you sure?
Q3. Do you promise?
:lol: I can believe that.

I can't even remember. I'm sure they were easy if you know a bit about shooters. I just bought mine on a whim. I've fired it twice at the range in 6 years. fecking waste of money.

I do take it out sometimes and talk to it...
At least you know you have it for those times your enemies come to your house to get you.
 
Going to the range is pretty funny though. You see all sorts with all kinds of weaponry. It is a real eye-opener about just who is allowed to buy guns.
 
No, you think you need one because you've been brainwashed. If you actually assess the probability and look at the statistics then your 'need' is unfounded.
Ah yes, I've been brainwashed. Good to know! Hold on while I go out in the back yard and beat my swords into plowshears and spears into pruning hooks now that I've been enlightened.

I wonder what safety features you encounter on a daily basis you really don't need... statistically speaking?

Do you all have the adage "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it"?
 
Ah yes, I've been brainwashed. Good to know! Hold on while I go out in the back yard and beat my swords into plowshears and spears into pruning hooks now that I've been enlightened.

I wonder what safety features you encounter on a daily basis you really don't need... statistically speaking?

Do you all have the adage "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it"?

Well, why did you buy your gun(s)?
 
Ah yes, I've been brainwashed. Good to know! Hold on while I go out in the back yard and beat my swords into plowshears and spears into pruning hooks now that I've been enlightened.

I wonder what safety features you encounter on a daily basis you really don't need... statistically speaking?

Do you all have the adage "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it"?

Agree, why have a fire alarm in your house? Fires happen so seldom.
 
Well, it is certainly not healthy that one can get a AR-15 with a few days wait.

As an example, to get a pistol in Norway you will need to have a perfect police record, mental health and notice of "decency" from the police. Then you have to be a member of a pistol club for one year where you are trained in safe use, safe keeping and gun etiquette etc. then after one year as a member there you can apply to buy a gun.
Can you not get one then if you have any form of police record? Even if it wasn't a crime of 'moral terpitude'?
 
Can you not get one then if you have any form of police record? Even if it wasn't a crime of 'moral terpitude'?

Then it becomes a case of interpretation, say if you have 3 DUI's the police might deem you to have a drinking problem, and therefore not be fit to have a gun.
 
I can't even remember. I'm sure they were easy if you know a bit about shooters. I just bought mine on a whim. I've fired it twice at the range in 6 years. fecking waste of money.

I do take it out sometimes and talk to it...

I have spent the last 15mn imagining you singing "Boom chicka wa wa" everytime you hand polish your gun.
 
Agree, why have a fire alarm in your house? Fires happen so seldom.
Carbon monoxide monitor as well. What's the point?

To be fair a fire alarm or carbon monoxide monitor aren't going to enable you to shoot a load of people if you lose the plot because someone cut you up at some lights one day.
 
Carbon monoxide monitor as well. What's the point?

Same goes for a fire extinguisher, worst case scenario the house invader might take it from you and bash your head in with it. That is if he didn't bring his own fire extinguisher, which he most likely did.
 
Going to the range is pretty funny though. You see all sorts with all kinds of weaponry. It is a real eye-opener about just who is allowed to buy guns.

That nine year old that accidentally shot the instructor with an Uzi. Under what circumstances could any law abiding citizen have the need to own an Uzi.
 
3 million out of how many law abiding people? As someone in this thread brought up before, many European gun laws require you to prove a "need" to have or carry a gun.

I "need" one because criminals illegally possess them. Fair enough?

The 'right' to bear arms is at the root of Americas problem with guns.

That right was bestowed in wildly different circumstances, and related to wildly different arms.

No, criminals owning illegal firearms shouldn't be reason enough to own a gun, it isn't here (Ireland), and never has been despite our history of having an armed terrorist group operating in the county (to go along with our criminals), thats what police forces are for.

Unless you live in an isolated region, miles from civilisation personal protection should not be an acceptable reason to own a gun. Certainly not some of the weapons available in the US anyway.

American gun laws, and a right to bear arms are nuts. Personally I'm much happier living in a society that doesn't give everyone the 'right' to own a gun by default. And I say that as someone who has owned guns for almost 30 years and at times been frustrated by the strictness of our gun laws, glad to say we haven't had anyone walk into a school and blow away a bunch of kids with guns they had a right to own, to protect themselves from some nondescript enemy.
 
That nine year old that accidentally shot the instructor with an Uzi. Under what circumstances could any law abiding citizen have the need to own an Uzi.

Uzis are wicked. I've got a pic of me with one. This Turkish guard at Sarajevo barracks came to tell us to pipe down but we just gave him a drink and all posed with his gun.
 
Agree, why have a fire alarm in your house? Fires happen so seldom.

There isn't a risk to owning the fire alarm that statistically outweighs the benefit.

Edit: *As far as I know.
 
But what reasoning did you apply for the home defense? Did you examine the statistics, were there incidents near to you?

Not only that, but incidents where they actually thought a reasonable response would be to shoot someone in retaliation.
 
I must admit that even though I think it is just wrong that you can decide to buy a AR-15, a UZI or a MAC-10 on Saturday, and basically have it in your hand by Tuesday, I would own the shit out of those guns if I lived in the US.

Because shooting stuff at the range is fun, just admit it.