M Bison
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if that report is true, surely Ole just leaves him with the u23’s all season. No point in him playing him, we’d be better off playing Lingard or Andreas.
if that report is true, surely Ole just leaves him with the u23’s all season. No point in him playing him, we’d be better off playing Lingard or Andreas.
if that report is true, surely Ole just leaves him with the u23’s all season. No point in him playing him, we’d be better off playing Lingard or Andreas.
That worked when lads were on 30k a week and rarely used for media, not when you've used someone to front every one of your marketing campaignsif that report is true, surely Ole just leaves him with the u23’s all season. No point in him playing him, we’d be better off playing Lingard or Andreas.
Well, as a free agent he will, along with his agent get a massive signing on-fee in the region of 30/40 million (see Alaba). I always say there is no such thing as a free transfer. He's already on a massive salary so there's not much hurry or incentive for Pogba and his agent. It's financially in his interest to hold off and see what offers are out there come next January/June. If he has a massive season United could also offer him similar incentives as other top clubs as a free agent.The ego of this player and agent holds no bounds. Last year of his deal and still no takers for him. Probably available for as low as £40-45m and still nobody wants him. What does that say about him? This apparent PSG interest is seemingly not true either. They have already pushed on with 3 to 4 other signings this summer.
If KDB had one year left on his deal you'd have a queue as long as the M60 to sign him.
If we give him 400k a week we need our heads checking. Offer him a contract on his current terms and say take it or leave it. He's not deserving of a pay rise anyway. He's done nothing to earn it.
So running down his deal because he doesn't have many options shows he has a big ego? What should he do just sign whatever contract United offer him?The ego of this player and agent holds no bounds. Last year of his deal and still no takers for him. Probably available for as low as £40-45m and still nobody wants him. What does that say about him? This apparent PSG interest is seemingly not true either. They have already pushed on with 3 to 4 other signings this summer.
If KDB had one year left on his deal you'd have a queue as long as the M60 to sign him.
If we give him 400k a week we need our heads checking. Offer him a contract on his current terms and say take it or leave it. He's not deserving of a payrise anyway. He's done nothing to earn it.
United can't force him to sign for someone else.
Will be interesting to see the reaction he gets at OT if he is just running his contract down.
How any club or Manager could trust a player in those circumstances is beyond me.
United can't force him to sign for someone else.
Will be interesting to see the reaction he gets at OT if he is just running his contract down.
How any club or Manager could trust a player in those circumstances is beyond me.
Yes because football clubs always do this in real life.
That's why the likes of Alaba, Ramos, Wijnaldum, Depay and Donnarumma spent all last season rotting away on the bench and youth teams
I'm sure Mbappe will be rotting on the bench this season too just like Messi did last year.
Lot of you are gonna have to get a grip on reality eventually because he's more than likely going nowhere this summer and the manager/club still rate him
Many examples of it and mostly players are professional enough to perform. See Lewandowski at Dortmund
I’m not sure Pogba would fall into this category, he could easily take the year off coasting and I doubt any big club wouldn’t be interested based on his ability or form. It would be a massive gamble from Ole and the club if he doesn’t leave or sign a new deal to just leave him out every week especially if we aren’t winning but I think the precedent it sets would be worth it long term (more so the club than Ole I guess) and it at least looks like we’re sort of taking charge of the situation.Generally, players on their last season of contract play their best football. They need to excel to gain admirers and the best possible contract. The risk they take not signing a contract extension is a serious injury hitting them which would be fatal.
And quotes from coaches present or past of Pogba that would suggest this?therein lies the problem…
And quotes from coaches present or past of Pogba that would suggest this?
It's astounding how many have said it.![]()
how are so many of these posts made and its not taking the piss.
Ok then do you think he is worth twice what Bruno is? Or Bruno and Rashford combined, or Maguire and Greenwood. He offers more as a brand probably but nowhere near that sort of money. He and his fat rat of an agent are just in it for themselves and have played the game very well(playing us for mugs again), in that we are now offering him way more money than he’s worth so we don’t lose a £89 player for nothing.
Our revenues may have changed massively from when Rio and Roy where looking negotiating but I don’t remember Roy looking for twice the Scholes was getting or Rio twice what Vidic was getting.
It’s prob a bad comparison anyways because although both negotiated hard to get top dollar they were Utd through and though that lead by example both on and off the pitch.
I dont fault him. In the end, both club and players need to look after themselves. Only the fanboys come up with a "holier than thou" justifications for simple money grab tacticsI don't doubt it for a second, but could you really fault him for that?
Fantastic post.
This narrative has been happening to a number of our players in particular to Lingard, Shaw, Martial and now it seems Rashford and even Greenwood at his tender age getting overly criticised by our own fans forums. Those pointing fingers at Pogba for what's said and done by Raiola he's been given the mandate to get him the best deal. He's not there to be liked by us fans or the club.
Good post.
To be fair it’s not limited to Pogba. I genuinely don’t know what many posters seem to get out of “supporting” us - there are some exceptionally bitter and negative people who hate everything about the club on here.The disgust for Pogba on this forum is disgusting, bordering on personal hatred for the guy.
He has not said anything about his contract. Pogba has not disrespected the club in anyway. You need to lie down.His handling of and comments in the media, along with the behaviour of his agent do.
Not to mention, if fans could get out of their own fandom, everybody here would do something similar. You want to have control over your career and not be held back by a transfer fee where your possible destinations are limited. You only get one career, and it can get cut short in any game. I definitely understand most people side with their club and have loyalty towards that club so anything like that is seen as disrespect or being a mercenary, but I always tend to lean more towards player power and I also think we are only seeing the beginning of more and more high-profile players running down their contract, which will be to the benefit of most clubs dealing with the pandemic and short on cash.So running down his deal because he doesn't have many options shows he has a big ego? What should he do just sign whatever contract United offer him?
A lot of people acting like players running down their contract is uncommon. We've seen high profile transfers with Gini, Donnuruma and Alaba this summer and Lewandowski a number of years ago.
I like a lot of what you said here. Pogba does play better in a certain system and great teams would build more towards this. That all said one thing you leave out here is Raiola. He has helped fuel this negative narrative and made things messy. The part of me that does not take well to Pogba is all tied here, by the player's own choice, to associate with this guy who does NOTHING to help team's achieve greatness.
He hasn't said anything though. The summer of 2018 (?) was the only time he suggested he wanted to leave. It all comes back to Mino's comments winding you up.His handling of and comments in the media, along with the behaviour of his agent do.
This should appear in a tutorial "how to post a valid and unbiased opinion on a forum".
I agree with all the points, the media circus made our fans turn on him which is fecking sad.
I also think the expectation was too big for him. The 90 mil price tag made our fans believe that we're buying some Ronaldo/Messi-esque messiah of football and, let's be honest, even at Juventus he wasn't even close to performing as consistent as those two did in the last 15 years, even if the talent is/was there.
What gets on my nerves in regards to fans analyzing his performances is the usual "he sleeps on the ball, he gets caught a lot of times". Who doesn't? I wish fans would also see the amount of times he receives the ball, lifts his head, sees that none of our attackers are bothered to make a run and he just passes it sideways or tries to dribble.
Losing him would mean losing a high quality player, even if not a consistent one. Hell even Bruno is not consistent and went missing for about two months last season, for various reasons.
I've said it a few times now, with Pogba the hate is quite personal. And that's here's which is a sanitised place. Don't even want to imagine the abuse on other online platforms."Can't let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore". Are some of you actually a bit mad? This thread really is the perfect way to find out which posters' opinion are best left ignored. fecking hell.
Excellent post. Spot on.
He has not said anything about his contract. Pogba has not disrespected the club in anyway. You need to lie down.
He hasn't said anything though. The summer of 2018 (?) was the only time he suggested he wanted to leave. It all comes back to Mino's comments winding you up.
I've said it a few times now, with Pogba the hate is quite personal. And that's here's which is a sanitised place. Don't even want to imagine the abuse on other online platforms.
Comments from 3 years ago. And what's so bad in someone saying it might be time for s new challenge?Off the back of his “best season” he said it was time for a new challenge somewhere else
Mino’s comments do wind me up, you’re not wrong there!
The ones who can’t articulate their negative agenda well enough will have avoided a well constructed post like that.I'm glad I took the time to try and articulate it. At first I was expecting a big pushback from those who want rid of Pogba, and when I saw my notifications I feared the worst, but it's been a pleasant surprise to see how many of us feel this way about the player and how the narrative has been so self-defeating.
Many examples of it and mostly players are professional enough to perform. See Lewandowski at Dortmund
therein lies the problem…
And quotes from coaches present or past of Pogba that would suggest this?
Let me get this straight:His handling of and comments in the media, along with the behaviour of his agent do.
Yes because football clubs always do this in real life.
That's why the likes of Alaba, Ramos, Wijnaldum, Depay and Donnarumma spent all last season rotting away on the bench and youth teams
I'm sure Mbappe will be rotting on the bench this season too just like Messi did last year.
Lot of you are gonna have to get a grip on reality eventually because he's more than likely going nowhere this summer and the manager/club still rate him
You can go further than him maintaining his professionalism under Jose - he was a key reason he kept his job as long as he did.I'd add even with how Jose literally gave him HELL and throw him under the bus and made him the scapegoat, he still maintained his professionalism under those conditions, just like Shaw and other players Jose gave hell.
The ones who can’t articulate their negative agenda well enough will have avoided a well constructed post like that.
They are out in force now though with the ‘get rid of the virus’ and their favourite key word ‘circus.’
I don’t think any of them have been to a circus to be honest.
Yeah this gets forgotten so easily. Pogba behaviour was incredibly professional.You can go further than him maintaining his professionalism under Jose - he was a key reason he kept his job as long as he did.
Yes, I've noticed this too. Even from the pundits, who should know better than directing such dog-whistle animosity at him. Graeme Souness (I love that autocorrect always prefers it to be spelled Sourness) in particular went pretty much full-on "You kids get off my lawn" at Pogba, and many of his criticisms contained the kind of tropes often aimed at, let's say, nonwhite people.