Those claiming that ronaldo is more overhyped than rooney obviously have their eyes in their bottoms. If commentators going "goo goo gaa gaa" over his every touch(good or bad) is not enough, then surely the way people claim england's hopes rest solely on him is prove of that point. You don't see commentators going "ah he's human after all" after a bad touch from ronaldo , now do you? People forget easily how ronaldo performed in his first season for united. He basically carried united through when the rest were not performing. Every attack went through him, and now people are jumping on the anti-ronaldo bandwagon.
See, like i said, TWO wonderkids....
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shite me, if by many of your logic ronaldinho would be not as good as lampard
ronaldinho's skills are due to repetition and not natural talent(yeah rite)
ronaldo is as talented as rooney, but rooney is more matured
and ronaldo is not crap
ronaldinho's skills are due to repetition and not natural talent(yeah rite)
ronaldo is as talented as rooney, but rooney is more matured
and ronaldo is not crap
Reflectorboy said:
So you're equating Ronaldo to Ronaldinho and Rooney to Lampard?
Sorry but that's just cack. The stuff Rooney does is a lot more like Ronaldinho's tricks than what Ronaldo does IMO.
And btw, you there talking about the Anti-Ronaldo bandwagon, shut up and read the fecking thread. Everyone here is supportive of Ronaldo, and we all acknowledge his talent, we're just saying that Rooney is better. Fact, end of, and all that.
clearly bias is prevalent here, as Rooney is protrayed in a Godlike manner and Ronaldo is protrayed as someone inferiorbergzen said:
if Ronaldo is playing for some la liga team i bet many will be pissing their pants off
So you decide who's biased and who's not? How the hell can you degrade my opinion and put it down to "media bias". I don't give a flying feck about the media and how those players are "portrayed", I just look at what they're doing on the pitch.
The glaringly obvious advantage Rooney has aside, you could simply look at the fact that he is a definite starter for us in every single fecking match, arguably our best player game after game, a clear contributor of goals and assists, while Ronaldo has not established a place in the starting lineup and his "end product" is up and down to say the least. Add to that the fact that he's around 9 months younger than Ronaldo and any unbiased soul with a hint of common sense would draw the right conclusion and see that Rooney is the better player.
The glaringly obvious advantage Rooney has aside, you could simply look at the fact that he is a definite starter for us in every single fecking match, arguably our best player game after game, a clear contributor of goals and assists, while Ronaldo has not established a place in the starting lineup and his "end product" is up and down to say the least. Add to that the fact that he's around 9 months younger than Ronaldo and any unbiased soul with a hint of common sense would draw the right conclusion and see that Rooney is the better player.
Reflectorboy said:
And btw, that's exactly our point. People would be pissing their pants off about him if they couldn't compare the two as easily as we can when they both play in the same league, for the same team. If he was playing in the La Liga he could be doing the exactly the same stuff there as he is doing there, and you lot would say "he's better than rooney", and we with common sense couldn't prove otherwise since he's playing in a different league for a different team.
But since the comparison is easy when they're in the same side, you people really need to open your eyes.
And so an appreciation thread develops into yet another inane comparison between Ronaldo and Rooney, with some seizing the opportunity to once again slate the former. I'm sure many of the aforementioned critics would throw a hissy fit if there was a similar obsession of comparing Smith unfavourably to (younger) midfielders such as Alonso or Diarra.
Keilyn27 said:
That's paranoid. Nobody with half a brain slated anyone. Any criticism's were valid, and differentiations made between the two players had foundation and were argued well. They're both fantastic, Rooney is better, that's it.
I suppose I touched a raw nerve by pointing out the comparison obsession, it's strange how Rooney is again brought into the picture to put Ronaldo in an unfavourable light despite this being an appreciation thread.
Can't have put it better than Amir's "United are blessed with two amazing young talents, and the supporters fight over who is better or is one of them really that good. You lot can't just enjoy life, ever, hey?"
Can't have put it better than Amir's "United are blessed with two amazing young talents, and the supporters fight over who is better or is one of them really that good. You lot can't just enjoy life, ever, hey?"
The only people fighting are the numpties. The prevailing view is that they are both good players, but Rooney has the edge. When you get into specifics about why this is so, it's impossible to say anything other than that Rooney is a more rounded player, and more intelligent than most, and certainly more than Ronaldo. That's just a fact - and the only people who dispute that, are people who are wrong and are people who have such a bias for Ronaldo, that they can see past him alone. You say he is put into a bad light, I say he has some fairly obvious faults....it's the same thing, you seem to take it as a put down for reasons of which I'm not quite sure. Amir is spot on, two brilliant players, two golden players, two players who are going to define United for the next few seasons, and two players of which Rooney is the better. There's nothing wrong with saying that...mostly because it's a fact. Failure to accept that could be seen as irrational. Being determined to make out that people are slating Ronaldo, points to paranoia.
Seems like some feel compelled to make comparisons despite no obvious request for that. I'm confounded by the irrational obsession of comparing 2 players with few similarities besides age and club colours. Then there's also the way Ronaldo is always derided as an incorrigible diving crybaby or sensationalist fancy-dan and even calls for his sale, now those are highly "constructive". I'd trust SAF to sort those issues out, perhaps some think hounding by fans would be more effective than letting the manager do his job.
Football fans compare players...that'll never change and there's nothing wrong with it. I'd imagine that you'd be a lot less confounded and find it far more rational if the players came out of the comparisons equal. But they don't at the moment....and there's nothing wrong with that either. Rooney is better, but that doesn't make Ronaldo rubbish, he most certainly isn't. The reason Ronaldo is sometimes (not always) derided as an incorrigable diving crybaby, is because he sometimes is just that, and those of that ilk do tend to be derided for it, again rightfully. Those who call him a sensationalist fancy-dan take a particular view of his playing, a harsh one, not one I agree with, but valid to an extent in the light of his continuing inability to consistantly deliver an 'end product'. Those who call for his sale are numpties. Nobody is hounding anyone either....and the fans certainly aren't hounding Ronaldo and neither is anyone here.... that's asburd. He's a sensational player, delighted we have him, we fecking well need him desperately in fact, and it's thrilling when he gets on the ball....but Rooney is better. I can't see how this offends or causes consternation. Rooney is better than mostly everyone.....everyone to whom he's compared....which is one of the main ways fans rate players.
well saidKeilyn27 said:
You folks live in a premiership bubble if you think Ronaldo's a diver.
He goes down when fouled. He's fouled more often than any other Utd player.
Do you want him to stay up so that he's shunted off-balance and loses possesion?
Fergie doesn't and neither does any other manager (remember Stam's book).
He moans when he's fouled but isn't given, but he also cries when losing (FA cup final).
He's an emotional mediterranean character, who is a joy to watch as a footballer.
The snide (but he's a diver) comments piss me right off. He's going to be a start
in the World Cup next year. Rooney will be too. However, Ronaldo makes me gasp
more than Rooney with tricks i've never seen before. They create space like no other
footballer in his generation can (including Rooney). Problem is he has to learn how to shoot better.
Thank God he's staying with us for another 5 years.
He goes down when fouled. He's fouled more often than any other Utd player.
Do you want him to stay up so that he's shunted off-balance and loses possesion?
Fergie doesn't and neither does any other manager (remember Stam's book).
He moans when he's fouled but isn't given, but he also cries when losing (FA cup final).
He's an emotional mediterranean character, who is a joy to watch as a footballer.
The snide (but he's a diver) comments piss me right off. He's going to be a start
in the World Cup next year. Rooney will be too. However, Ronaldo makes me gasp
more than Rooney with tricks i've never seen before. They create space like no other
footballer in his generation can (including Rooney). Problem is he has to learn how to shoot better.
Thank God he's staying with us for another 5 years.
that is true--ronaldo is fouled alot, ronaldo also goes on the most dribbles in the EPL and generally has the highest success ratio. His dribbllng is magical and this is what often adds penetration to Man Utd's attack. Often he is fouled alot but this is not proportionately reflected by referees in way of fouls given and yellow cards etc. Often defenders resort to drag him down as they cannot keep up with him. Yet fouls on CR7that do not look ugly are never called.
People go on about Ronaldo's attitude (crybaby) but what about Rooney's suspect and childish temperament. Lashing out at Gabbidon for no reason. Arguing with referees and teammates alike. Then getting sent off vs Villareal and also last season and thus letting Man Utd down in the game and also with subsequent suspension. Lets not forget Rooney pulled off the biggest dive to put an end to Arsenal's unbeaten run.
As i said both need to improve--and have shown in patches thier talent. Both need to improve thier teamplay and at being effective. Tone down on glory long range shots and have a passing ethic.
Rooney needs to up his goalscoring and assisting and the same goes for Ronaldo to produce end product
People go on about Ronaldo's attitude (crybaby) but what about Rooney's suspect and childish temperament. Lashing out at Gabbidon for no reason. Arguing with referees and teammates alike. Then getting sent off vs Villareal and also last season and thus letting Man Utd down in the game and also with subsequent suspension. Lets not forget Rooney pulled off the biggest dive to put an end to Arsenal's unbeaten run.
As i said both need to improve--and have shown in patches thier talent. Both need to improve thier teamplay and at being effective. Tone down on glory long range shots and have a passing ethic.
Rooney needs to up his goalscoring and assisting and the same goes for Ronaldo to produce end product
He's not as good as Kanoute though, is he?
jamesblonde said:
Bloody hell.
He's a diver....grow up.
jamesblonde said:
Have a look at some footage of Best. Admittedly he had the balance of a fecking souped-up squirrel, but nevertheless he would keep going when he could, even if he'd just been scythed. Ronaldo goes down when touched, and often when not touched. It's cheating. Yes Rooney did it against Arsenal, yes most players do it, but some do it way more than others. Ronaldo does it more than anyone in the league bar Pires. I don't give a feck about what people do in other leagues or in the World Cup, FIFA's competition of international non-contact football.
But as Keaney said, that's not the point. They're both brilliant, Rooney's better. Mithun (who thinks Kanoute's better than Zidane) thinks they're both brilliant but exactly equal in ability, which is unlikely.
Mithun said:
He's a great dribbler and a frequent diver.....hence refs can be hesitant about blowing up everytime he hits the deck....which is clearly what you would like. Actually, you would probably prefer if he wasn't tackled at all and just given a red carpet right through the defence.
Mithun said:
Ronaldo actually makes a crying face though...he physically pulls a face that suggests he's about to open the waterworks. Then, he'll throw a little tantrum with his hands...and carry on. Rooney's temperament is questioned far more than Ronaldo's, and rightly so, but you don't see people crying about it. It's him, it's the way he is, he loses it. He loses it aggressively and he seeks fairly swift revenge at times. Of course it's childish, and he's no angel, but the motivation for it is a world apart from Ronaldo's theatrics. The penalty against Arsenal was not the 'biggest dive', he was hindered, he made sure it was a penalty. - is it ideal, no.
They're both great players, Rooney being the better of the two.
jamesblonde said:
Nobody has come closer to tallying about my thoughts of Ronaldo...
And this by no means implies a discount of Rooney's abilities. As a few have pointed out already, there is absolutely no comparison possible between these two players, and Keane 16, contrary to what you say, this reason for not comparing them is even more grounded because they play for the same team and work towards the same goal with different weapons and styles which makes our strength.
Fully agree that Ronaldo needs to work on his finishing, because if he'd complement that with his positional sense, he'd be so close to being as good as any could get offensively.
Keane16 said:
Different strengths and temperaments. You'd be better off not comparing them. It's like comparing siblings... You can't do that and it is never warranted. You don't get the best out of them that way. You should, however work with their strengths and towards improving on the negatives.
Nobody is above his friend between these two.
Why is there no comparison?
Is there no comparison between, say, Pires and Henry? They play for the same team and work towards the same goal with different weapons and styles, too
Even though Henry's miles better than Pires.
Is there no comparison between, say, Pires and Henry? They play for the same team and work towards the same goal with different weapons and styles, too
Even though Henry's miles better than Pires.
Because you can't compare two different type of players and two players in different positions.
Vinay said:
You haven't given me a reason for not comparing them....so there's nothing more grounded about that reason at all really....considering there isn't one to begin with. Even if you did give a reason for not comparing them (which you didn't), it wouldn't matter, because football fans compare players all the time, literally all the time....it's currency. So they play for the same team....that's neither here nor there. People are getting the wrong end of the stick here. The fact is I've said they're both exceptional, but Rooney is better. Why people keep coming on to dispute this tiny little plain fact is beyond me. If you keep going on about it, we're going to keep coming back to Ronaldo's faults....I can only assume that they can't handle something derogatory said about Ronaldo, which is childish...the two boys above give the impression of being close to tears...as if this was some kind of huge revelation to them.
Both brilliant - as I've said repeatedly, but Rooney better.
Reflectorboy said:
You can easily say that one is better than the other though.
Especially in this case....
Vinay said:
Reflectorboy said:
So you can't say Ronaldinho is better than Cygan?
Or Kanoute better than Zidane?
sometimes ronaldo does go down to get a freekick. However he excel in the dribbling field and always is available to take the ball to the opposition. His bravery is seen time and time again in that he is prepared to run at defenders who will chop him down. That is mental strength and spirit in its own right. Ok there are times he complains for a freekick and sulks but that is as a reaction to not getting the decision. This does not make him a crybaby like Lehmann, Drogba etc.
So Ronaldo should get more credit and respect than is normally given for his positive attitude. He also tries to play with flair and to entertain
Rooney is not too disimiliar in spirit--he looks for the ball and plays with his heart. Often he tries to hard --but that is better than shirking responsibility. Aggression is what drives Rooney--ronaldo too is aggressive but only in style. However Rooney's temperament is weaker and he too easily loses his head. This is a problem that MU and England will need to address in the future.
In the benfica match rooney wanted to take the freekick off Ronaldo and made a show off it! Ronaldo who is the designated taker had to tell him to step aside and Rooney was not prepared to do so. In the end the captain RvN intervened and took it.
So Ronaldo should get more credit and respect than is normally given for his positive attitude. He also tries to play with flair and to entertain
Rooney is not too disimiliar in spirit--he looks for the ball and plays with his heart. Often he tries to hard --but that is better than shirking responsibility. Aggression is what drives Rooney--ronaldo too is aggressive but only in style. However Rooney's temperament is weaker and he too easily loses his head. This is a problem that MU and England will need to address in the future.
In the benfica match rooney wanted to take the freekick off Ronaldo and made a show off it! Ronaldo who is the designated taker had to tell him to step aside and Rooney was not prepared to do so. In the end the captain RvN intervened and took it.
But Rooney's not as good as Kanoute, is he?
It's an exercise in oneupmanship where each set of supporters engage in hyperbolic criticisms of the other player, inane really since both players represent the club and are trying their best.
That said, Rooney wasn't rated higher by most here prior to joining Utd. Back then he was dismissed as a costly, unnecessary signing with more yellow cards than goals. Fortunately SAF'd better judgment than the average moaner
That said, Rooney wasn't rated higher by most here prior to joining Utd. Back then he was dismissed as a costly, unnecessary signing with more yellow cards than goals. Fortunately SAF'd better judgment than the average moaner
Spoony said:
Now you are talking.
Rooney is mature in terms of composure and sense of purpose.He knows when he should shoot,pass or dribble.He loves to take on defenders and does it simple but very effectively.
I guess Ronaldo has got a bit to learn otherwise he's a class winger.He should notice that he lack physical strength and should make up by cutting down unnecessary dribbling and fine passes that makes him lose balls. the way V. Persie does.
But both of these guys are awasome to watch.They have come to develop some kind of postional understanding between themselves that really troubles defenders when both are on.
last weekend was a case in point.Defenders just do not know who to concerntrate with creating acres of space for the other.
Keilyn27 said:It's an exercise in oneupmanship where each set of supporters engage in hyperbolic criticisms of the other player, inane really since both players represent the club and are trying their best.
That said, Rooney wasn't rated higher by most here prior to joining Utd. Back then he was dismissed as a costly, unnecessary signing with more yellow cards than goals. Fortunately SAF'd better judgment than the average moaner
But no-one's engaged in hyperbolic criticism, and it's not an excercise in oneupmanship. Some fools are claiming Ronaldo's as good as Rooney, because for some reason they desperately want it to be so. There's no other way of explaining it than pointing to things Rooney's better at than him.
We all think Ronaldo's class...how many times do we need to say this?
Along the way, some of us have also pointed out that he cheats a lot, which is also not hyperbole.
Plechazunga said:
Like Keleiyn, i don't understand the urge to compare the two. Again, it was an appreciation thread, having noticed that Ronnie recieves a lot of flack on here, and the general noises have moved from 'we have two amazing kids', to 'we have only one'. That's all. Who is better of the two is not an issue to me, just reminded people of how they used to talk prior to Rooney's arrival, when Ronaldo was most of our attack. And our player of the year. I distinctly remember his man of the match performance (he used to get those every week in his first year) against Everton at Old Trafford, in which he made Rooney look distinctly ordinary, and everyone on here mentioned it at the time.
Rooney is a better player, as everyone has said. My point, the point of this whole thread, is that Ronaldo is amazing himself too. It's not that every good performance from Rooney has an inverse effect on Ronaldo in the sense that it makes him shitter. But on here, it's like the better Rooney plays, the more Ronaldo get's slagged. Like kids moving from an old toy to a new one because it's better. Because Ronnie is no longer flavour of the month, he's still awesome, and still 20!
My argument is done, although it wasn't even supposed to be an argument!
kanchelskis14 said:
That's bullshit. We started debating when all the "oooh, Rooney is so hyped-up by the media, you're just bias, media bias, you can't form your own opinion!"-bullshit started.
I have nothing against the original point of the thread, that being we have two wonderkids, and I fully agree. But when someone accuses me of being void of an unbiased opinion that's when I start to shout.
And about not being able to compare them, that's bullshit as well. Sure they play different positions, but you just have to ask yourself one simple question to sort it all out. Based on their performances so far for Manchester United, if you could pick either one into your team lineup, which one would you choose first?
But they're both great, and nobody here has said otherwise.
The thread invited comparisons kan, and well you know it
If I started a thread saying, "New Labour has been about Brown too, not just Blair", I'd fully expect it to lead to a comparison of their merits and records
Then you get people like reflectorboy, saying patently absurd things like that you can't say one player is better than another when they play in different positions - one of the most spastic comments ever made by anyone in history - and others saying we only think Rooney's better cos he's English. It was always clearly going to end up with us having to spell out the simple fact that Rooney's better, and that anyone who disagrees is gay.
If I started a thread saying, "New Labour has been about Brown too, not just Blair", I'd fully expect it to lead to a comparison of their merits and records
Then you get people like reflectorboy, saying patently absurd things like that you can't say one player is better than another when they play in different positions - one of the most spastic comments ever made by anyone in history - and others saying we only think Rooney's better cos he's English. It was always clearly going to end up with us having to spell out the simple fact that Rooney's better, and that anyone who disagrees is gay.
The argument over who is better is getting a tiring one,for sure rooney at present is a better player than ronaldo,but i think there will be a point in 3-4 years when these two will be consistently in the top 5 best players in the world for years to come.Then we wont bother comparing them but giving them both plaudits for there amazing skill.rooney and ronaldo both have something special rooney reminds me of a quick romario with a bit more pace and awareness,ronaldo reminds me a bit of figo and he will also be quicker and more direct i think,hopefully have the awareness and crossing ability to boot aswell.
We're already giving them both plaudits for their amazing skill
Especially Rooney
Especially Rooney
Plechazunga said:
I reckon Rooney's better
Rooney's miles better