My daughter works in Manchester 
Hope it's just Twitter -shit.
Hope it's just Twitter -shit.
UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)
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bbc just said it's kicking off in Manchester.
I'm not one to flame or troll on this forum, especially not in a serious thread such as this. On that note, you should consider yourself lucky because this post is stupid.
My first point of contention is with you not even replying to my actual post. Assuming you were, there aren't millions of jobs available in specific areas within London to specific people. I live in London, I'm not going to get a "suitable" job in Manchester. That's not because I can't be arsed, it's because the hassle is too much for the prospective benefits.
Secondly, if you're getting emailed 400 jobs per day, how large is your skillset? Even more to the point, how come you're expressing no interest in these jobs? Are they not suitable? Just because someone offers you a job doesn't make it suitable. If you were unemployed for whatever reason, would you take on a year's contract at minimum wage gutting fish? Don't be so judgemental mate!
Thirdly, and this is apparently going to surprise you, but earning £100 every two weeks isn't comfortable living. Don't get me wrong, some people do indeed sponge off the system, but it's not the first choice for the majority. Some people are on jobseeker's allowance because they're seeking a job and need money to tide them over.
Alas, unrelated to your post but very much relevant is my view on this. As a 19 year old who lives in West London I can categorically tell you there are nearly no jobs out there. I know of many 16 year olds looking for temp jobs over the holidays but they're having no luck. I don't know what it was like for you growing up but I know for certain generations, asking a 16 year old to submit a CV online to work at minimum wage was stupid. Even harsher is the fact that they're not receiving a reply, let alone a rejection.
gabrielmilland Gabriel Milland
by Matt_Lawton_DM
5000 police on duty for royal wedding. 1400 tonight.
by Matt_Lawton_DM
5000 police on duty for royal wedding. 1400 tonight.
Part time workers, those in education, apprenticeships, even unpaid work, don't get included in unemployment statistics. And its currently at 30% for 16 to 64's National Statistics Online - Unemployment
I'm amazed it that high it doesn't seem right.
That's not really an accurate report of the situation, unemployment rate includes those who can't be arsed. It's not as if all those 30% are actively looking for work is it?
Go on Google and search 'jobs in xxx' and bang, you'll get hundreds, you can work in a call centre ffs, if you're desperate for a job you'll do it, they are constantly hiring, there are jobs out there. The problem is and I see it all the time is people saying 'nah can't be arsed with that kind of work' or thinking they are too good for the work so instead they'll sit around and do nothing and then complain there aren't any jobs out there. It's BS.
It should have been stopped 2 days ago, but now I would say it is a State of Emergency.
we may not agree on the shooting of looters , but we can agree on this
Fair to say tonight was worse than saturday.
Zarlak, I'm not really sure what the relevance of your comments are? What are your qualifications? How much do these jobs pay? Can you live in London on those wages? There are so many questions to be asked.
More importantly, this isn't an issue about someone being shot dead by the police. Or people out of work or with nothing to do. If it was ever was about that, it stopped being that a long time ago. These are just knobs out looking for trouble and a a bit of fun.
More importantly, this isn't an issue about someone being shot dead by the police. Or people out of work or with nothing to do. If it was ever was about that, it stopped being that a long time ago. These are just knobs out looking for trouble and a a bit of fun.
Says it all really.
I heard that 1400 number, and thought it was fabricated.
In Belgrade for the Gay Pride protests, there were 5000 police, or even scratch that, there are thousands of police on hand at a derby.
It's shocking that these riots have been policed by so few. Are the MET really that stretched?
Of course those who aren't looking for work are a massive problem, but I wouldn't trust a google search. A lot of people have taken part time and low paid jobs to get back into employment, I'd say more than 50% of the 18-25 year olds I know who want full time work, can't get it.
jamiereidUEFA Jamie Reid
by nickcoppack
Met Police have ordered all London clubs to postpone games tomorrow night. England friendly surely next. #londonriots
by nickcoppack
Met Police have ordered all London clubs to postpone games tomorrow night. England friendly surely next. #londonriots
On the bright side, maybe the UK can no longer afford poxy wars in the Middle East and Asia.
I'm not so naive as to think Livingstone isn't politicking but I think some of you guys should look at it more closely. If he's trying to get publicity then he'll be peddling a point of view that's in his interest, right? In this instance, the left-wing vote.
On that note, he's been very much spot on today. The points he's raising are bang on, IMO. While everyone else is out condemning this, lying to us all about various things and pretending to know their crap, Livingstone's speaking something that resonates with me as the truth.
On that note, he's been very much spot on today. The points he's raising are bang on, IMO. While everyone else is out condemning this, lying to us all about various things and pretending to know their crap, Livingstone's speaking something that resonates with me as the truth.
BBC 2 has reports of looting in Birmingham , 200+ in the city centre
BBC reporting its started in Manchester
Because I have a job, I just can't be arsed to unregister to each individual website that emails me. It doesn't mean the jobs are not out there. If I were unemployed and desparate for work I wouldn't sit around complaining there wasn't any work availible that I was happy with (I'm not saying you are by the way, this is generalising the typical unemployed chavs you see around) I'd take what I could get and have an income while I looked for something I enjoyed or I thought was suitable. You can always hand in your notice if the right one comes up. Maybe there aren't the jobs out there we would like, but it's BS to say there are no jobs out there.
Who said 100 every 2 weeks? You only have to google 'jobs in manchester' 'jobs in london' to find 13k, 16k, 18k, 20k, 25k jobs in call centres, shopping assistants, bar work etc.
Part time workers, those in education, apprenticeships, even unpaid work, don't get included in unemployment statistics. And its currently at 30% for 16 to 64's National Statistics Online - Unemployment
I'm amazed it that high it doesn't seem right.
Okay that includes housewives and disabled.
That's one of the sad things when people scream for the military to sort this out. The military's off playing in the middle east.
Mate, you're being stupid. There are positively NO jobs around today, atleast not ones that young people such as those rioting can realistically apply for.
That's coming from one such young person, living 10 minutes away from Ealing where the rioting is taking place. There is NOTHING out there, even for people like me looking for a job with qualifications, let alone school dropouts with none.
reported that there is groups of lad loitering around , no looting or violence yet
I'm working tonight and it's horrible, it's fecking scary!
There is a physical test?
someone on twitter says it's started in Gorton now !
This is not true.
Yet.
Well said. People here simply saw the name 'Ken Livingstone', heard an opinion, and were quick to demonise him.
For the record I thought he was spot on, opportunistic or not.
I fecking hate Ken Livingstone, Trying to politicize a terrible series of events for his own political gain is nothing short of disgraceful.
The relevance of my comments were aimed at a post saying it's because there are no jobs out there for young people.
My qualifications are that I dropped out of college in my second year to work part time. The jobs pay between 16k to 25k in Manchester, like I said I already have a job but I still get the alerts. They even for some reason send me jobs in London despite the fact that I live in Manchester.
I once had an argument with a scally who said there were no jobs available so he had to sit around on jobseekers because he couldn't get a job, I pointed him to a local call centre (who constantly recruit and have a massive turnover of staff and are almost ALWAYS recruiting on 16k basics) and the response I got back was 'naaah, can't be arsed with that shit' which I tend to hear a lot of.
0121: The Metropolitan Police have just issued an update on their current operations across London. It includes:
Hackney: 250 - 300 people gathered in Pembury Estate, setting alight cars and throwing petrol bombs. Businesses in Mare Street were looted and officers contained the situation. Three officers injured but their condition is not believed to be serious.
Newham: Looting in Stratford High Street.
Lewisham: Roaming groups of youths were involved in disorder.
Bethnal Green: More than 100 people looted a Tesco supermarket. Two officers were injured.
Croydon: Fires burning at a number of premises, including a very large blaze at a sofa factory.
Hackney: 250 - 300 people gathered in Pembury Estate, setting alight cars and throwing petrol bombs. Businesses in Mare Street were looted and officers contained the situation. Three officers injured but their condition is not believed to be serious.
Newham: Looting in Stratford High Street.
Lewisham: Roaming groups of youths were involved in disorder.
Bethnal Green: More than 100 people looted a Tesco supermarket. Two officers were injured.
Croydon: Fires burning at a number of premises, including a very large blaze at a sofa factory.
got a mate in toxteth, said it's kicked off big time, gunfire, petty bombs, heading down to the city centre.
someone on twitter says it's started in Gorton now !
How could they tell?
He wouldn't be the first. If roles were reversed and Boris was in opposition, you can no doubt expect him to be just as fierce in criticism, if not more.
Sounds like just another day in Merseyside tbh.
You missed my point. There is a reason you haven't moved jobs. These reasons are always relevant, regardless of wage bracket. Obviously there are varying degrees but the principle remains.
I knew you weren't talking about me specifically, don't worry.
For the record, in some instances there really aren't jons out there. Specifically, as I mentioned in that post, I know a lot of lads who have just taken their GCSE's who can't find summer jobs for toffee. A lot of CV's handed out, days spent talking to local businesses etc. You're forgotting that some people don't have the relevant qualifications. At 16, that's not through choice, they're just not that academically developed yet.
Jobseekers' Allowance is £100 every two weeks.
Again, I raise the same situation to you. 16 year olds can't do bar work. Call centres rarely employ under-18's too. Shopping assistant jobs are available but I know for a fact that CV's are getting sent and not replied to. Hell, one of my mates has an excellent CV in retail despite being 19 and just successfully interviewed for a job application. He got told his application and interview were successful, from a group interview of ~30 people, only to be told that the job he'd just applied to no longer existed. Instead he could re-apply for a job in a service station on the outskirts of London.
I hope to god it doesn't come here to Manchester, but it looks like it's inevitable.
London, Birmingham, Liverpool.
bbc reporting 300 + in Liverpool City Centre and are looting
Agreed. Cheers mate.
On the other hand, he's currently not only the voice for a lot of people, he's the only voice. How many others have you seen today trying to address the issues beneath this violence? A very large problem right now is that the news stations are full of middle-class middle-aged people trying to tell you what the working-class youths of London are feeling. It's similar to how you have middle-aged guys at MTV telling the youth what's cool.
BBC are reporting minor scuffles in Manchester but did not say where.
fecks sake