Is starting a nuclear war disqualifying for the Nobel Peace Prize?
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Might be frawned upon by the committee.
'Deal of the day': White House shop cuts price of North Korea summit coin
Price of commemorative coins reduced – but customers who have already bought them have asked if they can get their money back
Price of commemorative coins reduced – but customers who have already bought them have asked if they can get their money back
Guardian said:
I'll take five bullshit coins please
And I thought English nearly does not have any commata.
Are we sure that the Onion isn't drafting official letters for Trump. For a diplomatic letter, that is utter rubbish and reads like a parody.
It’s a real shame this, it seemed like NK were starting to see sense.
Tempted to buy a couple of those coins. Think they’re going to age well.
Have you followed NK at all the past 30 years? It was clear as day it would end in something like this.
Oh yeah no doubt but the crazy level seemed to be dropping especially after the South Korea talks.
Just the usual escalation/de-escalation circle by NK leaders. Stuff like that has happened every 5 to 10 years and never lead anywhere. NK regime won't ever give up their nuclear weapons, they know it's the only way to really safeguard them against the "Lybia model". It is the reason they acquired them in the first place.
Balked at reading through 42 pages(!) to see if it's been pointed out already, but there is a theory that this whole sequence is a China power play. AKA Kim Jong Un is literally doing what China tells him to do and when.
Long story short, make the US look wishy-washy/foolish and merrily continue with the BRI.
If someone's already mentioned that, then +1.
Long story short, make the US look wishy-washy/foolish and merrily continue with the BRI.
If someone's already mentioned that, then +1.
I doubt many others outside the US thought Trump's childish threats and attitude were going to achieve that objective.
Hopefully there will be a peaceful solution, in time, but that would require the US to accept North Korea as a sovereign nuclear power, and both Koreas agreeing to recognise each other's status, and drop any territorial claims on the other.
North Korea still happy to meet/speak with the US at any time.
All back on Trump now. Interesting to see how it plays out.
All back on Trump now. Interesting to see how it plays out.
71 y.o billionaire being out-manoeuvred by a 30something.
Negotiations
78D chess.
Did the Koreans have a summit and cut the US out of the loop? Or is there some merit to the theory that the US brokered/facilitated the summit?
The Korean summit, which has already happened, is separate from the US/North Korean one that is being negotiated now.
Not sure that is a true assessment. North Korea tried to play games with their statement and actions by not participate in Singapore preparations. I think they were taken by surprise by Trumps swift action TBH. If the talks are back on the North Korean position has been diluted after the last week. They know damn well Trump will walk away and not think twice about escalating the situation on the peninsula.
As I understand this, US/N Korea were supposed to speak on June 12th. Trump pulled out of that but there are still discussions happening to put that back on track. Then I saw this headline on BBC and it kinda confused me a little because of the way the title is worded ("surprise").
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44265287
I don't think this whole thing is purely a Chinese power play to further their BRI. I would assume that they're just making the most of a situation where the US is fumbling a little and they're just in the right place at the right time to make the most of the whole thing. (BRI happening to be one of their key agenda)
Ahh right...just found out about this latest meeting.
The reason Kim and Trump both backed out was because Bolton and Pence compared North Korea to the "Libyan model" which incensed the North Koreans and caused them to stop returning the US's calls to arrange the June 12th summit. That led to Trump issuing the letter two days go ("I'm breaking up with you before you break up with me"). Things seem to have stabilized a bit now and I think there's a good chance the summit will proceed - either on the original date or soon after.
Obviously not purely for the BRI. Something even harder to accomplish without the US obligingly tripping over its own feet: knocking US influence in the region down by many many more pegs than ever thought possible.
So a power play to de-legitimize US presence in that area: very very possible.
The idea that Kim's stepping down from his high horse is due to a mandate from China, who sees US influence in Japan/Korea having dwindled to the point where this is even possible. That plus a clueless US president. Very very possible.
China doesn't have to look like it's 'supporting' a rogue state, US looks stupid/indecisive and loses future decades of influence/support. Two birds with one stone, win-win for China. And all impossible without someone as clueless and reckless as Trump and his team involved.
These things are fluid, of course, but they are scenarios that countries draw out and consider and plan for so that if the opportunity does arise...
Korean leaders meet in surprise summit
Once again, Moon Jae in is taking the lead like he has for the past ~8 months.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44265287
Once again, Moon Jae in is taking the lead like he has for the past ~8 months.
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The summit looks like its on. Moon, Kim, and Trump are all posturing in public but have been negotiating behind the scenes to get back on track for the 12th.
Good . Would be good for the world if something good comes of this
There's a good chance this will work out. Kim desperately needs it now after having gotten a whiff of global acceptance by way of Xi, Moon, and Trump. There's really no going back for him at this point. Trump also wants this to badly chalk up a "win" for his domestic credibility.
I actually think that North/South reunification could be in the cards down the road if this works out as long as Kim's future safety is guaranteed.
NK would do well to make peace via SK and China and cut out the US altogether.
Its still a long long journey before reunification happen. The war might be over but reunification is another world. Tbh, i dont see reunification will ever happen.
To be honest i think this as been happening in this whole negotiation.
This reunification....what exactly does that mean? One country? If one country then who would govern it...Kim or Moon?
Certainly not Kim.
I get the impression Kim would eventually leave office if his personal security and that of the rest of his family were to be guaranteed for life. Not now of course, but if negotiations continue to go in a positive direction and Kim loosens the reins in North Korea where more cultural exchanges take place then northern citizens will quickly yearn for more freedoms. If Moon plays his cards right and makes an unconditional offer to guarantee Kim and his family's lifelong security then he would be amenable imo.
As for reunification, its not a matter of IF but WHEN.
In no way a dictator with nuclear weapons and unlimited power would just relinquish that power for "guaranteed security". The voluntary reunification is neither IF, nor WHEN it is a NO.