Can anyone who thinks we should have an overhaul or sack Mourinho post here please and explain why?

[Bobski]

2. Improved defence- Possibly the biggest myth on Caf . 11.8 shots face/90mins - for sake of comparison that is worse than City (6.3!), Pool (7.5), Spurs (8.5), Chelsea (10.2) and even Arsenal (10.7)! Hell even Watford and Huddersfield have conceded lesser shots.
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2017-2018

For sake of comparison it was 9.5 for us last season(5th best), 10.8 the season in 15-16 (3rd best),10.1 in 14-15 (Best).
Hell, it was just slightly worse than this season in Moyes' season - 11.9 (6th best)
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2016-2017
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2014-2015
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2013-2014

De Gea's brilliance should not be equated with improved defence!

A lot of people look at those defensive stats and immediately come to the conclusion that are defenders are poor. I would suggest that playing in a manner that has little interest in possession will give the opposition more opportunities to attack and gets shots off. Utd are 6th in the league for possession, even behind Chelsea who can play very negative football at times as well. Clearly not a priority when compared to the other top teams. Southampton are the only other team in the league who average more than 50% of the ball

 

[wolvored]

Sack Jose and sign Who/Whom? which manager is suddenly going to start next season and play scintillating football? He will need time to rebuild his team and that will take two seasons and if certain results dont go well, then these fans who wanted this new manager will be on his tail to get him the sack. It's going to be a never-ending cycle

I am not a fan of negative and drab football, but we have progressed purely in terms of league position. As it stands this is our best league position in 4 years. And in these troubling times, we have managed to win silverware which is a bonus as well.

We all knew Jose was not going to be a long-term solution, we dont know if there will be a long-term solution in one manager at all. Jose has brought us back on the map to compete in the league that's a start. As someone mentioned earlier if City were not having a superhuman season our progress would have been explicitly visible.

Also, the amount of pressure Jose is being put under is enormous. There is not a single day where the media is not on our case. When we are winning -we are not playing good football. When we play good football and win - We are not playing brilliant football and constant city comparisons. When we lose then its fireworks all around. I dont think any other manager can deal with such levels and manage to function properly.

Fergie did, and all the managers these days are under that scrutiny. Some like Pardew who know its only a matter of time must be even worse.

 

[wolvored]

Miki was lauded when signed and his limitations are clear as day with him not being able for the premier league. He has since been shipped out in 18 months and replace by Sanchez, something which United as a club haven't been doing for years so IMO this is a positive. Sanchez still has to improve.
Zlatan was never a long term signing, 2 years max, and horrific injury probably forced us to go out and buy his replacement 1 year earlier than I think we wanted to.

So based on that it leaves us with the following

----------DDG-------------
XX--Bailly--Lindelof--XX
-----Matic----Pogba----
XX------XX----Sanchez
--------Rom-----

So that leaves us space for 4 players for Jose to have bought his full 11 and they are obviously the most depressingly obvious places we need to improve because the quality IMO has gone up based on the players Jose has signed.

We have 2 aging converted full backs with average quality.

The endless debate as to who we play on the right, as we are overloaded on the left with MArtial/Lukaku and Rashford

And then do we buy another 10 or buy a midfielder that will compliment Pogbas deficiencies.

I think Jose will buy all 4 of these spots in summer and absolutely has to go close in the league at a bare minimum for me next season if he does get who he wants.

And looking at who he has shipped out

Schweinsteiger
Schneiderlin
Depay
Valdes
Januzaj
Rooney
Miki (*** straight away *** )

as well as more than likely

Shaw
Blind
Darmian
Fellaini (contract)

Our squad will be much less bloated. At a minimum we need to give Jose another season.

He didnt buy de gea fergie did

 

[Name Changed]

To be honest I hate watching United now. It's absolutely tumescent. I still watch every minute and after every game I kick myself for doing it.

I have zero faith whatsoever in José. In my opinion he is finished. He has no answer to modern day football. We will never get close to City once the managers remain the same.

I want him to walk before we lose all our good young players because José only wants to play hoofball with the likes of Fellaini .

If it's not enjoyable to watch then why bother? It will never be enjoyable to watch under José. It never has been and if never will. It's getting worse.

 

[Name Changed]

I think that's true also, game plan on Tuesday night seemed to be mimic the one against Ajax in the Europa League final (Fellaini's role in particular) only it went horribly wrong. Best thing there though would be let Fellaini leave so we cant ever try and do that again

He specifically said his game plan against Ajax was to bypass our midfield. He would rather play long ball football than actually play proper football. The likes of Pogba, Sanchez and Martial have ultimately no future in a team managed by Mourinho.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

Fergie did, and all the managers these days are under that scrutiny. Some like Pardew who know its only a matter of time must be even worse.

Fergie did yes, and he excelled too. But the amount of media attention during his tenure was not as crazy as it is now. Also, why does everyone come up with SAF analogies and comparison to support arguments against Jose?

Regarding Pardew, its clutching at straws. He was appointed the manager to teams struggling and the only requirement is to avoid relegation and he fails at that too. I think the media scrutiny he gets is not enough.

 

[markorm]

I'm the last person to route out the manager and sling him on the coals.

I stood by Moyes far too long in the face of ever increasing criticism, believing that we support our manager. I stood behind Van Gaal when we were playing stoopid sideways football, again for probably too long.

I applauded Mourinho's appointment while others slagged the guy off, I thought we have a true warrior here, someone who's going to go toe to toe and make United the fearful team we know we can be.

I've ignored the constant exile of Luke Shaw, the isolation of Paul Pogba, the insistance on playing Fallaini over more talented forward playing guys, I've always said, the guy wins us games, we're second, we're in Europe... blah.

But, I'm sorry. That European game just woke me up. A 0-0 against a mediocre (at best) Spanish team away I could swallow, but the defensive lineup he put out at OT and the limpid way in which we went out shows me who we have at the helm.

Then to follow that with a direct attack that basically a) blamed the players, then b) said "well what do you expect, you've been shit for the past 8 years, what do you want me to do about it." That is up there with Moyes question to the world "I don't know what we have to do to win a game" Or "City is the club we should aspire to be like"

I dunno if he's lost the dressing room, but he's lost me. And I don't give a dog's arse if you block me from your feed, this is how I feel. This is not my club while this moaning self-serving egotistical wanker is in charge, and that's all I have to say.

 

[anant]

A lot of people look at those defensive stats and immediately come to the conclusion that are defenders are poor. I would suggest that playing in a manner that has little interest in possession will give the opposition more opportunities to attack and gets shots off. Utd are 6th in the league for possession, even behind Chelsea who can play very negative football at times as well. Clearly not a priority when compared to the other top teams. Southampton are the only other team in the league who average more than 50% of the ball

Even if I sayyour hypothesis is true , we've conceded 8th least number of shots and had 6th highest possession. Qhich means we're more likely to concede a shot when oppo has the ball than even Huddersfield and Watford. We're conceding as many shots as we were during the Moyes' season. Surelay you can't say that defence has been great

 

[automaticflare]

I never get this argument, "we shipped him out so all is well". Mourinho signed him, if due diligence wasn't done or done done well, blame lies on him. Whether we sold him or not is a different matter altogether.
Let's say you go to fruit market and buy oranges, just enough to make 1litre juice from it. One of the oranges turns out to be bad. So, the next day you go back to the fruit seller and say that I want a different orange instead of this bad one. The fruit seller may agree to a deal for a different orange which will turn bad in a day and you're the last customer so let it be. So the juice that should have been prepared a day earlier is now being prepared a day late.
The transition that should have completed by end of year 2 is taking another year!
And Zlatan's case is more curious. When you are in transition, common sense dictates that you sign a youngster, so that when rest of the team matures, you aren't looking in the market to replace that ageing player. Sure, he had a good 1st season but you look at long term when you are in transition not season by season!

Nonsense post

If you buy a bad orange you don’t keep it around for ever you get rid of it and get a new one exactly what we did with Miki because he, like many others is not up to the different style of the premier league.

And you transition a team in many ways not just by buying new young players. You need to retain leadership and bring in the right mentalities to the squad. Zlatan is a leader and a winner we need to retain that with a lot of younger players being bought. And same with matic. Experienced leader and a winner. you have to transition with sense and change the teams mentality.
This is not football manger where you go buy 11 18 year old kids and say we are now transitioned

 

[automaticflare]

He didnt buy de gea fergie did

Oh yes I know but he is never gonna sell him not implying he bought him at all

 

[ThierryHenry14]

Man Utd must keep Mourinho, just like Arsenal must keep Wenger. It is the only way to reduce the massive global support Man Utd has over other clubs in EPL. I wish Man Utd win the FA cup this season so Mourinho can keep working on his project in Man Utd. Anyway Mou's contract just got renewed so I don't think his job is on the line at all.

 

[haram]

And Zlatan's case is more curious. When you are in transition, common sense dictates that you sign a youngster, so that when rest of the team matures, you aren't looking in the market to replace that ageing player. Sure, he had a good 1st season but you look at long term when you are in transition not season by season!

Rashford, Martial and Lukaku are not young?

 

[anant]

Nonsense post

If you buy a bad orange you don’t keep it around for ever you get rid of it and get a new one exactly what we did with Miki because he, like many others is not up to the different style of the premier league.

And you transition a team in many ways not just by buying new young players. You need to retain leadership and bring in the right mentalities to the squad. Zlatan is a leader and a winner we need to retain that with a lot of younger players being bought. And same with matic. Experienced leader and a winner. you have to transition with sense and change the teams mentality.
This is not football manger where you go buy 11 18 year old kids and say we are now transitioned

What!
Firstly, Mou bought Mkhi. If he failed Mou should be accountable as well and jsut swapping the player doesn't mean that mistake wasn't made. So when, I was talking about 8 players Mou has bought already, Mkhi has to be included.
Secondly, an year ago, a PL side was underperforming despite a world class manager but an overageing side. What did they do?
15 years ago, we were underperforming and were in transition. Who did we sign?
When the side was already having Carrick, Rooney and Valencia, signing Zlatan was asking for trouble as it meant for the next 2 or 3 seasons a good chunk of your effort would go into juat replacing these retiring players

 

[anant]

Rashford, Martial and Lukaku are not young?

Not sure the point you intend to make but we signed Rom this season. Signing Zlatan when you already have Rooney, Carrick, Valencia,Schweinsteiger and Young means you will spend next few summers just replacing the retiring players.Hell it meant there would be atleast 6 outs at bare minimum in next 2-3 seasons

 

[Sagittarius13]

We should sack him as long as we have the best replacement on sight, as Pochettino or Simeone, a young manager with hunger for trophies and attacking football. Instead, we have Mou, a good manager who has already won it all.

Mou's comments on the post match against Sevilla killed me, I really wanted Mou to succeed here but what I see is a manager whose ego is bigger than him and has made him blind. If Mou continues to minimize every lost game or every failure then, there is no space to improvement, because to his eyes he's always right, doesn't matter who he brings in or sell...

Sorry for bad english, I'm a pissed drunk mexican red devil fan..

 

[haram]

Not sure the point you intend to make but we signed Rom this season. Signing Zlatan when you already have Rooney, Carrick, Valencia,Schweinsteiger and Young means you will spend next few summers just replacing the retiring players.Hell it meant there would be atleast 6 outs at bare minimum in next 2-3 seasons

If a player of Zlatan's quality becomes available for a year and you need a striker, it's not a bad idea to sign him. We replaced him with Lukaku anyway, I don't get your point?

We should sack him as long as we have the best replacement on sight, as Pochettino or Simeone, a young manager with hunger for trophies and attacking football. Instead, we have Mou, a good manager who has already won it all.

Mou's comments on the post match against Sevilla killed me, I really wanted Mou to succeed here but what I see is a manager whose ego is bigger than him and has made him blind. If Mou continues to minimize every lost game or every failure then, there is no space to improvement, because to his eyes he's always right, doesn't matter who he brings in or sell...

Sorry for bad english, I'm a pissed drunk mexican red devil fan..

I mean, Simeone isn't really an attacking manager.

 

[anant]

If a player of Zlatan's quality becomes available for a year and you need a striker, it's not a bad idea to sign him. We replaced him with Lukaku anyway, I don't get your point?



I mean, Simeone isn't really an attacking manager.

Oh definitely, but we need to consider that we already have 5 30+ players at club. And apart from Valencia, everyone seemed finished at the point in time we signed him. So unless, you feel that these are going to be the only transfers yoou will be making, it's more than sensible. Not so much if you think a major overhaul is needed

 

[M4nu4Life]

Our recruiting for the last 3 or 4 years has been very poor. We are throwing cash around, but not at the right players.

Who is our best number 8. Pogba can not defend well enough, but we have no one else who is close.
Matic is our only number 6, and at 29 he is already slowing down.

Our squad has players like Fellaini, Mata, Darmian, Jones who all should have been sold.

We have Rashford, Martial, Sanchez who all like to play on the left hand side and cut in, why do we need 3 players who can do this.

 

[Relfy]

I honestly think that by sacking him we end up going backwards again. It's another change of manager, another change of tactics, and another win for the players if they are controlling who is in charge. I feel that since SAF left we have signed too many players who simply aren't up to it. SAF was a master in seeing players with the drive, focus, determination and winning mentality to succeed at United, and I think that has been lost. We've seen plenty of players coming in since he left, but how many of them have either been good enough or have the mentality or the fight that is needed? So many times we have gone a goal down and no one is looking like they are willing to drive the team forward to come back into the game - granted the Chelsea and Palace games recently we have, but over the past 4 years that hasn't been there.

If we get rid of Mou then who are the real options? Maybe Poch who has done good work with Tottenham and has them playing good football, or possibly Simeone, though he will also be called out for negative and defensive tactics, and then we end up back here with the same argument in a year or so. Personally I feel we ought to give Mou another season to get it right, and if all goes to shit then review the managers position. I think he is right when he alludes to the fact that there are too many players who don't understand the privilege of playing for United, and I want someone strong to be in place to fix that.

 

[glazed]

If it becomes a choice between the players and the manager, the owners will in practice chose the players. Jose is used to this.

 

[The Purley King]

He'll be gone sooner or later and we should make it sooner, i.e. at the end of the season.
My reason is not the poor style of football, or the bus parking or anything like that. I just don't think he is a good people manager and has a few personal character flaws which exacerbate this problem.
He seems to have one management style, which could best be described as "Do what I want when I want it or you are out". Fair enough, that is one style and will work well with a certain type of person. Matic for example came out and said he liked Mourinho's style.
Then you have other players like Shaw and Martial, who (and this is pretty clear imo) need a different style. A more arm around the shoulder approach, convincing them they are good players and giving them confidence.
Then there is Pogba. I'm really not sure what is going on there, but if I had to guess I'd say that he has lost respect for Mourinho over the last 18 months. He is strolling around the pitch and giving around 50% of what he could. That is a situation that needs to get unfecked asap, but Jose doesn't seem to be doing it. Its become a battle of wills.
When you aren't managing 1/2 of your squad the way that they need to be managed, you are going to have problems. That is not a dig at the players either, its just human nature that different people need different management styles and Jose should be recognising that and adapting - but he doesn't.

There is also his desire to save his own skin when things start going wrong by criticising the players, their desire etc etc. Keep that shit in house ffs. Yes, tear strips off them in private if they have had an off day, but don't go criticising individuals to the media and claiming if they had done what you told them to do it would have been fine. This is him failing to recognise his own mistakes and is a huge character flaw.

tl;dr - he needs to go.

 

[Denis_unwise]

He is coming close to losing the players. When this happens it's all over. He has the best man manager at the club in SAF. It worries me that he doesn't seem to be asking for his counsel on these kinds of matters. He may well be talking to SAF but if he is he obviously isn't listening.

 

[Data]

He'll be gone sooner or later and we should make it sooner, i.e. at the end of the season.
My reason is not the poor style of football, or the bus parking or anything like that. I just don't think he is a good people manager and has a few personal character flaws which exacerbate this problem.
He seems to have one management style, which could best be described as "Do what I want when I want it or you are out". Fair enough, that is one style and will work well with a certain type of person. Matic for example came out and said he liked Mourinho's style.
Then you have other players like Shaw and Martial, who (and this is pretty clear imo) need a different style. A more arm around the shoulder approach, convincing them they are good players and giving them confidence.
Then there is Pogba. I'm really not sure what is going on there, but if I had to guess I'd say that he has lost respect for Mourinho over the last 18 months. He is strolling around the pitch and giving around 50% of what he could. That is a situation that needs to get unfecked asap, but Jose doesn't seem to be doing it. Its become a battle of wills.
When you aren't managing 1/2 of your squad the way that they need to be managed, you are going to have problems. That is not a dig at the players either, its just human nature that different people need different management styles and Jose should be recognising that and adapting - but he doesn't.

There is also his desire to save his own skin when things start going wrong by criticising the players, their desire etc etc. Keep that shit in house ffs. Yes, tear strips off them in private if they have had an off day, but don't go criticising individuals to the media and claiming if they had done what you told them to do it would have been fine. This is him failing to recognise his own mistakes and is a huge character flaw.

tl;dr - he needs to go.

My issue is that despite all these flaws of his, which has been the main reasons for his sacking from his previous 2 clubs, I wonder if our board are taking note. I mean, both RM and Chelsea can not be wrong about him, especially Chelsea where he got the sacking twice.
By the time he is gone with Man Utd, we should have lost Pogba, Martial and probably Rashford. Any team that have these 3 players in their team will be protecting them for future dominance.

 

[patrick somerville]

I am firmly in the sack Mourinho camp. Quite frankly Sam Allardyce would have won the same amount of trophies with the same squads probably more in fact. Mourinho is a serial bus parker he has never played attractive football even with the best clubs in the world. His treatment of Luke Shaw is bullying pure and simple and he would not get away with it in any other workplace.

 

[Jamie Shawcross]

My take on it as a lifelong mancunian red is KEEP MOURINHO. Now obviously I hope the football improves, but given that the guy has only been in charge for 1.5 seasons, has won us 2 trophies, and has significantly improved our league standing in his second season whilst reaching a semi final nobody can deny we are on the up whether you like him or not. Jose Mourinho is arrogant, stubborn and sometimes pretty obnoxious but the facts and his track record shows he is a WINNER. I think the problem at our club at the moment (consider we aren't actually in a crisis by the way) is the players. These guys are on extortionate amounts of money to train and play football, and quite frankly do as they're effing told by their boss who DOES KNOW BETTER. I am sick and tired of these "poor luke shaw" and "poor lickle pogba" articles and opinions. These are grown men in a position of unfathomable privilege with basic responsibilities. The attitude of modern day players really gets on my nerves. They need to stop sulking, come out and publicly back their boss and put the work in. This is Manchester United we are talking about and some of these players absolutely shit all over our badge and heritage with their half arsed work ethic, fragile self absorbed emotions and ego. They need to get a grip. I am specifically referring to the likes of Pogba, Shaw, (and mkhitaryan before he left). It seems we have a squad littered with egotistical fragile passengers who need to realise who they're playing for. Mourinho is getting a lot of undue flack if you ask me.

 

[CM]

Well, the football is shite for one. I could probably stomach that in isolation though. Partner that with a manager who constantly looks for excuses, whinges incessantly and takes regular swipes against the club, players and fans - you'll almost certainly drive me loopy.

I actually find it incredible how some supporters continue to hold him in such high regard. It's bloody exhausting.

 

[RooneyLegend]

1 The football

2 He doesn't think we have enough money to be competing with CIty.

3 His tactics are outdated and doesn't seem like he's up for adjusting with the times. His teams' closing down is rather archaic, even compared to modern pragmatic sides i.e Juve and Atletico who have shown that you can still play on the back foot and still do great things.

4 I don't see him producing a 90+ point team which we are going to need if we're going to be competing for the title and against other elites in Europe.

5 Young players don't seem to develop that much under him and we're going to need them to if we are to get back to the top. We don't develop for fun, but instead to get sustained success. Won't be happening any time soon at this rate.

So yeah, you can put me on ignore.

 

[AbusementPark]

No overhaul needed, new CM for Felliani and Carrick leaving, new RB and LB and that should be it. In regards to Mourinho, I would like to see him go, the football he plays is atrocious, On match days I get excited about them playing a game and look forward to watching, then realisation sets in and I remember the anti-football he has the team playing and how dull the game is. He inhibits the flair players to such extents that it demoralises them and they lose all confidence and passion to play for the team. The scathing reviews he gives his players in public is bad enough, I wonder how much more abuse he directs at the team behind closed doors.

 

[AN17]

Top teams don't decide when to turn up and when to just get it done. We seem to be doing the opposite. Play for the result on most days and play football once in a while. A second place and fa cup will mean we should at least give him one more try, but anything less than that will be a failure and then it would be better to get it over with sooner before he has a fallout and things get messy.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

We should sack him as long as we have the best replacement on sight, as Pochettino or Simeone, a young manager with hunger for trophies and attacking football.

This whole attacking football thing is a bit of a misnomer. Pochettino's Spurs have scored one, yes one more goal than us in the EPL this season. Where is the idea that somehow Pochettino's Spurs are some sort of attacking masterclass we should be replicating coming from?

Had you said Liverpool id tend more to agree with you for attacking flair and intent. But then, you can drive a bus through Liverpools defense sometimes. Although they have seen some improvement recently, but this is the danger of the high press, if you manage to break it the CB's are exposed. Look at the Spurs game vs Juve, this site would have been in meltdown if that was us throwing away a 2 away goal draw and 1-0 up at home game.

 

[GBBQ]

I'm not calling for Mourinho's sacking but can get why people are, he has form for letting things go south around this time.

Its hard to know what to do with the team. Feels like we've been clearing deadwood for 5 straight years and still need big investment. We have players who are extremely attack minded in Rashford, Martial, Sanchez, Pogba and Lukaku but we can't seem to find a way to bring the most out of them. Dare I say that other top 6 managers might have come up with better systems to accommodate these players?

In the end if this is to work long term, Mourinho is going to have to change. I can't imagine 26 years of this.

 

[Litch]

I'm not calling for Mourinho's sacking but can get why people are, he has form for letting things go south around this time.

Its hard to know what to do with the team. Feels like we've been clearing deadwood for 5 straight years and still need big investment. We have players who are extremely attack minded in Rashford, Martial, Sanchez, Pogba and Lukaku but we can't seem to find a way to bring the most out of them. Dare I say that other top 6 managers might have come up with better systems to accommodate these players?

In the end if this is to work long term, Mourinho is going to have to change. I can't imagine 26 years of this.

Spot on. I was a Jose fan but now without the emotion of last week for me he needs to go. Jose may win things but it always comes at a cost. Honestly if any of the other top 5 managers had the resources that he's got, they would be a different prospect. Put those names you mentioned in a Spurs, Chelsea or even Arsenal team, they would be frightening.

 

[Adam-Utd]

If he's to stay, I want a few key things fixed.

1. Change of mentality, I want more attacking football. I'd rather us win 3-2 than 1-0. Generally the teams that score the most goals win, rather than the team that are hanging on to a 1 goal lead.

2. find a formation/style of play that works for us. We chop and change far too often, there is no consistency, and when we do seem to strike a run of form he changes stuff and we reset.

3. Stop being so negative. Keeps killing our players in public and knocking their confidence.

Unfortunately I can't see Jose being able to fix these issues, he's now too set in his ways and is a bit damaged IMO. He's still a good manager but i'm just not sure his style is right for this period.

 

[Red_toad]

I have no idea what the club should do. Jose isn’t getting the best out of the players. The plan seems to be keep it tight and wait for a moment of individual brilliance or a rub of the green.
Jose seems working his way through the squad in having very public digs at them. It’s just not good reading.
Really think we need a DoF. We’re reaping years of no planning.

 

[Rasfene]

For the part on more shots faced, that's because the defenders are doing a good job and opposition cannot penetrate in. All they can do is shoot from far.

only shots on target should be compared. Stray shots should not be included.

 

[Sing you a song]

Nonsense post

If you buy a bad orange you don’t keep it around for ever you get rid of it and get a new one exactly what we did with Miki because he, like many others is not up to the different style of the premier league.

And you transition a team in many ways not just by buying new young players. You need to retain leadership and bring in the right mentalities to the squad. Zlatan is a leader and a winner we need to retain that with a lot of younger players being bought. And same with matic. Experienced leader and a winner. you have to transition with sense and change the teams mentality.
This is not football manger where you go buy 11 18 year old kids and say we are now transitioned

Zlatan's arrogance, charisma , humour , will to win and leadership skills have been sadly missed this season.Lukaku may have replaced his goals but the sheer personality and the inspiration he was to those around him was a revelation last season.
Without him we have no character and no leader

 

[haram]

If it becomes a choice between the players and the manager, the owners will in practice chose the players. Jose is used to this.

Difference is most of these players have proved feck all.

 

[Raees]

@Jamie Shawcross do you not find it strange that two of the players you attack in your post (rightfully to some degree FWIW) were purchased by Mourinho. The third Luke Shaw was also a signing Jose craved back at Chelsea.

This in addition to guys like Lindelof being quite mentally weak at this moment in time, and other mooted signatures for guys like Perisic (who I don't care what anyone says is a decent player but not a guy who will transform the fortunes of a club and certainly wouldn't have outperformed Martial) and Sanchez - who frankly didn't make sense if you weren't going to use him as a RW.

So even if assuming all our troubles are down to certain players not playing well... what makes you think that a rebuild under Jose and granting him lots of millions to sign players will lead to EPL and CL success? I mean yes he isn't as bad as Moyes and LVG on the signing front but he has wasted a lot of money on players who you call fragile and surely if he's on the ball, he'd be constantly signing warrior like players more akin to his taste?

Yes Pep has spent more but I'd say he's been more efficient with his transfer spend and there is no guarantee that Jose given another 200m this summer is going to be spot on with his signings. In fact a lot of his own signings turned on him as we have seen at Chelsea and also here in his short spell - so no guarantees that getting his own men will resolve this problem.

 

[wolvored]

Oh yes I know but he is never gonna sell him not implying he bought him at all

You did look what you put on your post quote"

So based on that it leaves us with the following

----------DDG-------------
XX--Bailly--Lindelof--XX
-----Matic----Pogba----
XX------XX----Sanchez
--------Rom-----

So that leaves us space for 4 players for Jose to have bought his full 11 and they are obviously the most depressingly obvious places we need to improve because the quality IMO has gone up based on the players Jose has signed..."

 

[AkaAkuma]

My take on it as a lifelong mancunian red is KEEP MOURINHO. Now obviously I hope the football improves, but given that the guy has only been in charge for 1.5 seasons, has won us 2 trophies, and has significantly improved our league standing in his second season whilst reaching a semi final nobody can deny we are on the up whether you like him or not. Jose Mourinho is arrogant, stubborn and sometimes pretty obnoxious but the facts and his track record shows he is a WINNER. I think the problem at our club at the moment (consider we aren't actually in a crisis by the way) is the players. These guys are on extortionate amounts of money to train and play football, and quite frankly do as they're effing told by their boss who DOES KNOW BETTER. I am sick and tired of these "poor luke shaw" and "poor lickle pogba" articles and opinions. These are grown men in a position of unfathomable privilege with basic responsibilities. The attitude of modern day players really gets on my nerves. They need to stop sulking, come out and publicly back their boss and put the work in. This is Manchester United we are talking about and some of these players absolutely shit all over our badge and heritage with their half arsed work ethic, fragile self absorbed emotions and ego. They need to get a grip. I am specifically referring to the likes of Pogba, Shaw, (and mkhitaryan before he left). It seems we have a squad littered with egotistical fragile passengers who need to realise who they're playing for. Mourinho is getting a lot of undue flack if you ask me.

Well said.