Paul Pogba
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It's can become a bit silly when players can negotiate with different clubs, yet can't move before seeing out their contracts. Must be difficult being around the club for both Pogba, and management. I suppose he'll just have to train on his own or polish up on his gardening skills.
Really disappointing. Both him and Ravel.
feck 'em, if they want to pretend they're established before they're established then they were at the wrong club.
We can use the wages they were demanding to put towards signing actual first-team footballers.
Schrödinger's Pogba.He's both here and gone
I say let Paul Scholes practice his slide tackling on him for the next few months
lock this thread and let him feck off.
Alternatively you could stop opening it.
It hasn't been officially confirmed though, has it?
The gaffer doesn't even know what the hell is going on. He wont be playing tomorrow then thats for sure.
As someone else said above, there's nothing Fergie doesn't know about what is going on at the club. Today's response was pretty damning whichever way you look at it tbh.
He's a talented kid, but it's his loss. He knows he's leaving a club that has a really good history of developing youngsters. He might still make it, but if he's leaving, then it's his loss.
We've got plenty of other young and upcoming talented youngsters, and some who can play in the centre of midfield as well.
It's good to see that Fergie isn't just giving into the demands of these young players when they start to get big for their boots and think they're better than they really are.
We've got plenty of other young and upcoming talented youngsters, and some who can play in the centre of midfield as well.
It's good to see that Fergie isn't just giving into the demands of these young players when they start to get big for their boots and think they're better than they really are.
Yep. I meant really disappointing in terms of their attitude.
True. However truth be told if he has signed Fergie would have said so... More than likely though things aren't in our favor.
So whose thread do we get up to 100 pages next?
Did SAF mention him today in the presser? I've not managed to find any quotes or the like.
Just saw these quotes on the excellent piece from United Rant: “If we hold Pogba back, what’s going to happen? He’s going to leave. You know, in a couple of years’ time when his contract is going to finish,” claimed Sir Alex last August. “So we have to give him the opportunity to see how he can do in the first-team and he’s got great ability.”
Eeesh.
Article here: If Pogba is the symptom, what is the cause? | United Rant
I'll be sad if he becomes the new old Essien, but the club did what they think it's for the best and we should trust them.
Pogba only has himself to blame for not playing more this season. Didn't really impress for the reserves in the first half of the season and was quite poor when he finally got his chance in the CC.
No big deal though. It's a big step up from playing other kids to playing adults. I'm sure Fergie was going to be very patient with him. Shame he wasn't willing to be patient himself.
That's not totally fair, but I see where you're coming from. The reserve schedule was pretty torn up by weather (as always) in the later months of last year. Pogba was fine, one of our better players throughout (though not at a Rossi level of looking waaay too good to be there).
Then he joined the first team - played in that shambolic lineup for the CC which was hardly his fault. And last we saw him he was excellent in a 20 minute cameo.
Let's face it, if a poor few first performances were enough for the Fergie axe, Darren Fletcher would have never been anywhere near our first team.
Friggin Bebe has played more first team minutes than Pogba. Possibly Dong too.
This isn't about failing to impress in first team appereanes. It's about power and contracts, not on the pitch football.
His departure is about power and contracts, his relative lack of first team appearances is not. As you said about Rossi. Reserves players usually need to look waaaaay too good for that level before they either step up or go on loan to a decent side. Pogba only started looking like that sort of player in 2012 and us getting knocked out of the CC made it even harder to give him games at that point.
Good riddance then.
Ultimately, the sad thing is that in a football sense, Utd are the best place for him. He's paid & treated well and at a very young age, on the verge of the 1st team of the PL champs and one of the best clubs in the world.
He's been under the tutelage of the greatest manager ever and trained with some of the best players ever to play for the club.
To turn all that down for pure greed is mind-numbing.
He's been under the tutelage of the greatest manager ever and trained with some of the best players ever to play for the club.
To turn all that down for pure greed is mind-numbing.
Some of you lot getting your knickers in a twist over a lad who's played, what, less then half an hour's first team football? 
The way some of you lot are
going on makes it sound like we've just lost Pele on a free!
The way some of you lot are going on makes it sound like we've just lost Pele on a free!
Agreed. Undoubtedly next step for the Pog would have been a loan trip out - and maybe he fancied Juve above that. Fair enough I guess. Maybe that's even the crux of the argument, who knows.
Raw talent isn't enough, you have to show you can step up before you mak demands. Sure maybe injuries and us not being at our best has restricted the amount of time Pogba may have gotten but he himself didn't do enough. I stand by what I said before he was average at best in both the cup games and didn't look anywhere near the same level of morrisson who definitely looked like he was good enough. Can't say Ive watched the reserved much but seemingly he hasn't been at his best this season. I also reckon that had he been doing well enough in training to suggest to fergie he was ready for the premier league he would have got more game time.
At the end of the day we know fergie has no qualms in trusting youth. Even this season where we've been exposed in Europe because of it he's persisted playing youth. Macheda coming on against villa, fabio starting the cl final, if you're good enough you're old enough and that doesn't just mean raw talent. You need to be able to translate that to competitive football.
He might well become a star, he might well be the next mikel, maybe worse, and undoubtedly there will be other players like him and there will be others who come and are willing to earn their deal. I'll always be in favour of our current stance, we don't need to give in to these players because not everyone will do this. And there will be enough stories of players finding its not so green on the other side to make others think twice. And tbh with the way rangers are going and other clubs I wouldn't be surprised if there's a major overhaul in player wages soon, because this is just the sort of thing that is causing the problems for everyone. If we start joining other clubs and offering unproven players greater and greater salaries it's just going to lead to a situation where other clubs will feel obliged to do so as well and football finances will be in an even worse state and it's the fans who will have to bear the pain.
At the end of the day we know fergie has no qualms in trusting youth. Even this season where we've been exposed in Europe because of it he's persisted playing youth. Macheda coming on against villa, fabio starting the cl final, if you're good enough you're old enough and that doesn't just mean raw talent. You need to be able to translate that to competitive football.
He might well become a star, he might well be the next mikel, maybe worse, and undoubtedly there will be other players like him and there will be others who come and are willing to earn their deal. I'll always be in favour of our current stance, we don't need to give in to these players because not everyone will do this. And there will be enough stories of players finding its not so green on the other side to make others think twice. And tbh with the way rangers are going and other clubs I wouldn't be surprised if there's a major overhaul in player wages soon, because this is just the sort of thing that is causing the problems for everyone. If we start joining other clubs and offering unproven players greater and greater salaries it's just going to lead to a situation where other clubs will feel obliged to do so as well and football finances will be in an even worse state and it's the fans who will have to bear the pain.
only a matter of time, its almost certain he is leaving.
I dont get these reports, SAF stated we had an option to extend his deal in March (ie this month) until summer 2013. So unless we have accepted a bid or decided to not extend his deal, that's the only way that report could have grounds. If he leaves it is his loss imo. Greed in a player that young is generally not a good sign.
I've seen most of Pogba's televised games for the academy and reserves, and I've never shared the general Cafe view that he was the Second Coming. Yet. I've always felt that he was behind Morrison and Petrucci both in development and team contribution.
Obviously a big talent, but with a lot of weaknesses that needed to be sorted before being entrusted with first team responsibilities. He was flash but careless, inconsistent, prone to losing the ball in dangerous areas, and had a tendency to disappear for long stretches. I fully understood Fergies reluctance to play him in important games. I wouldn't have trusted him.
Petrucci, on the other hand, is much more mature, and if Fergie thought he was good enough, I'd have no qualms about him putting on the shirt.
Pogba reminded me a little bit of Anderson, a curates egg of a player, very fresh in certain ways, but smelt badly in others. As a consolation, there's no guarantee that Pogba will fully sort his problems out, and become the player most fans thought he already was.
Obviously a big talent, but with a lot of weaknesses that needed to be sorted before being entrusted with first team responsibilities. He was flash but careless, inconsistent, prone to losing the ball in dangerous areas, and had a tendency to disappear for long stretches. I fully understood Fergies reluctance to play him in important games. I wouldn't have trusted him.
Petrucci, on the other hand, is much more mature, and if Fergie thought he was good enough, I'd have no qualms about him putting on the shirt.
Pogba reminded me a little bit of Anderson, a curates egg of a player, very fresh in certain ways, but smelt badly in others. As a consolation, there's no guarantee that Pogba will fully sort his problems out, and become the player most fans thought he already was.
If it is then why has he gone somewhere for €20k a week when they were after £45k. Must have been for other reasons.
In fact he's left for 16,690k per week, something doesn't make sense here.
He'll probably turn out to be average anyways. People always overhype the kids on this board...
So Scholes is truly on his last legs, Fletcher is done for, Ando is hilariously inconsistent/injured/fat, the two youngsters hotly tipped to step up have left...
Finally, surely we will see a couple of new midfielders signed... right?
So Scholes is truly on his last legs, Fletcher is done for, Ando is hilariously inconsistent/injured/fat, the two youngsters hotly tipped to step up have left...
Finally, surely we will see a couple of new midfielders signed... right?
“If we hold Pogba back, what’s going to happen? He’s going to leave. You know, in a couple of years’ time when his contract is going to finish,” claimed Sir Alex last August. “So we have to give him the opportunity to see how he can do in the first-team and he’s got great ability.”
top and bottom of it.
top and bottom of it.
I'd like us to sign Paul Scholes again
He got the opportunity. Didn't do well. fecked off to Italy without staying long enough to get more chances to shine.
Top and bottom of it.
Without trawling through pages and pages - has it been 100% officially confirmed then?
Things still stand as I have said in this post from yesterday morning:
No club confirmation but it does seem to have been done.
Hoefully it's all bollocks and we're all just being big drama queens.
Well it's pretty much official, can't see all the papers being wrong.
This leaves us in a bit of an awkward position. Two of our best youths have left, one of which was taunted as one of the reasons why SAF hasn't strengthened CM. Our best midfielders happen to be 37-38 yrs old, Fletch is sick and our most promising midfielder is a bit of injury prone. At this point one must reconsider our strategy as a whole (midfield, youths etc) and see what went wrong. For example is it worth to rely so much on the potential of a young player whose towards the end of his contract? Im not saying that we should kiss our youth academy good bye but simply to rely and develop those who are actually keen to sign long term contracts.
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