He kept the ball better than everyone else in the team barring Carrick.
Shinji Kagawa
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He kept the ball better than everyone else in the team barring Carrick.
RvP kept the ball better than Kagawa and also did more with it.
Anyway. He should start again Monday, along with Nani and Hernandez.
Anyway. He should start again Monday, along with Nani and Hernandez.
RvP's 50% pass completion compared to Kagawa's 86% says you're wrong.
RvP definitely did much more with his 50% though, can't argue with that.
I really thought RVP was invisible for most patches of the game, and the miss...
I might need to watch the game again.
I might need to watch the game again.
Why should playing wide effect Rooneys effectiveness? it baffles me that a player playing for the biggest club in England, and dubbed the best English player of his generation, can be so on and off with his touch and passing.
I just think tactically he should not be played in a wide role anymore. His stamina / work ethic isnt what it was when he was younger, and for the job he was doing valencia would of been more effective IMO.
People will say but Rooney carriers a bigger threat - not when he is chasing backwards all game.
At the home leg i hope we play them 4-2-3-1 with him behind RVP, and not be so concerned on stopping them. We need to take the game to madrid at home.
Rooney on the left is better than Rooney on the right.
And people playing wide lose the ball more often than people playing in the middle because there is a lack of options to pass too on the flanks.
Yeah, Rooney was very poor yesterday but he was playing out of position at a tough ground where Barca wide players have struggled even. Agree Valencia was better for that role.
And people playing wide lose the ball more often than people playing in the middle because there is a lack of options to pass too on the flanks.
Yeah, Rooney was very poor yesterday but he was playing out of position at a tough ground where Barca wide players have struggled even. Agree Valencia was better for that role.
Btw, Playing wide would affect Zidane's effectiveness, and so did with Messi. What sort of logic is this ?
Players are suited to certain roles.
This i agree with.
Remember him playing almost as a Second fullback in the away draw at the Nou camp where we parked the bus ?
He was slow tracking back yesterday which was odd. Where has that Rooney gone ?
Watch him clearing half of Real's corners. Put in a shift and was the one player that stopped my heart racing when he got the ball deep, I was always 100% confident he wouldn't screw it up. He always played his way out of defence at ease, the rest looked like a bag of nerves, even Carrick -who had a great game- and Kagawa -who did very well- looked overwhelmed at times.
Shame about the miss, reckon it was the yellow and homer ref playing tricks with his mind after what happened VS. Barca.
Yups, I thought Valencia could do a better job there. I would have brought on him and Chicha, and Ando/Cleverley for Kagawa.
Kagawa needs a player like Cleverley on the pitch for neat pass and move type play, can't just shunt him out wide and expect him to do a lot by himself.
I thought Kagawa was decent. It wasn't a world class performanfe or anything but then again I don't think anyone apart from defenders and Welbeck produced anything close to world class yesterday.
Both Zidane and Messi were superb in wide positions. Rooney really struggles to free himself from a wide position under pressure, Zidane, Messi, hell even RvP last night have no problems dribbling their way out of tight positions wherever they are on the pitch.
He was never shunted wide in the first half, tbf.
Van Persie was playing further forward and still got involved more than him and did well with keeping the ball and turning.
No where near to how they are playing in the middle. That's the point.
Zidane is yesterday's game asked to track back on the right would have been interesting.
We were playing hoofball for large parts of the game, no wonder he had little impact.
His hold-up play and ball retention were immense. Time and again he'd emerge from tight pressure with the ball. One of our best players on the night.
Just watched a bit of the game again and I agree. We would have had a much tougher time without him.
He wouldn't need to because they would just be leaving Zidane free... Now who would want to do that!
I thought it was an okay performance. Glimpses of his class were surely visible. Tough to be a part of a game where we are basically playing 2 very deep defensive midfielders, who were almost additional central defenders. We literally had no midfield in the first half of the game.
Kagawa needs to bulk up as at times he gets bullied off the ball too easily. Also, there were a couple of occasions where the ball was tackled off him as he pondered too long on it instead of just moving forward with it. He did better in the second half when we made little tweaks.
As much as he needs time to adapt to our team, we also need to adapt to him. Kagawa will be ineffective in games where we play with no midfield and the wide players are not tucked in. He is a pass and move type of creator with ability on the ball, not a long ball to the wings attacking midfielder. We'll have to meet him half way in order to see the best of him.
Kagawa needs to bulk up as at times he gets bullied off the ball too easily. Also, there were a couple of occasions where the ball was tackled off him as he pondered too long on it instead of just moving forward with it. He did better in the second half when we made little tweaks.
As much as he needs time to adapt to our team, we also need to adapt to him. Kagawa will be ineffective in games where we play with no midfield and the wide players are not tucked in. He is a pass and move type of creator with ability on the ball, not a long ball to the wings attacking midfielder. We'll have to meet him half way in order to see the best of him.
You think they would've attacked and left Zidane free up there. Well that would be suicide.
Rooney had 60% pass accuracy last night because he can't get himself out of a tight spot, you think Zidane or Messi have ever had 60% pass accuracy?
He was alright...still settling and the injury hasn't helped.
He'll be grand.
He'll be grand.
Ozil was 63, he isn't bad in a tight spot.
Wish I could have seen the game to see how he played. I followed him when hes played in your games and wanted to see him on the big European stage but sky whored the game last night!
Gageing a consensus by reading this thread is like reading hieroglyphs, he appeared to range from incredibly poor, weak and bullied to confident, good and a class act.
ITV don't even show highlights anymore. What exactly did he do wrong?
Gageing a consensus by reading this thread is like reading hieroglyphs, he appeared to range from incredibly poor, weak and bullied to confident, good and a class act.
ITV don't even show highlights anymore. What exactly did he do wrong?
Not sure where you're getting those stats from Dion? Özil was the joint best on the pitch with 91%
http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/68...eague-2012-2013-Real-Madrid-Manchester-United
Either way he best buck his ideas up in the return leg. Ozil played better but just about would say he was amazing abit like Kagawa to be honest.. Could see the quality but did frig all.
Not sure where you're getting those stats from Dion? Özil was the joint best on the pitch with 91%
http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/68...eague-2012-2013-Real-Madrid-Manchester-United
They were coming up with some right weird numbers during the TV broadcast. Carrick was in the sixties as well, according to what was shown on TV.
Nothing wrong, he just wasn't involved as much as people would of liked which was predictable considering we preferred the ball in behind for people to run on to, and that isn't a big part of his game really.
I don't get this weak/pushed off the ball thing either - it's been exagerated greatly in Kagawas time here.
Sack phelan sell kagawa
I'm not worried about Kagawa - he's too talented to not settle down at United.
Not sure where you're getting those stats from Dion? Özil was the joint best on the pitch with 91%
http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/68...eague-2012-2013-Real-Madrid-Manchester-United
It was 63% according to the broadcasters at around the 75 minute mark on tv.
Kagawa started like a house on fire but gradually faded - he'll be better next season after settling in the Prem
I don't think that's the case at all. It really is a genuine weakness in his game and this wasn't the first time he was shown up due to a lack of upper body strength. Rooney himself is quite poor with his back to goal but Kagawa is worse
Perhaps to an extent but it isn't as frequent and as big a problem as people make out. I remember after the Liverpool game there was a lot saying that he was being pushed off the ball too easily and then in the montage of all his touches he was dispossessed once!
Strange, although I'd trust whoscored, they are usually bang on. Anyone got ESPN stats to back this up?
Just looking with my own eyes I'd seriously doubt that Özil or Carrick were in the 60's with their passing.
If anyone in Australia watched SBS tonight you will have learnt that Kagawa was in fact SAF's secret weapon and the reason we did so well (Craig Foster).
Not really. Carrick played plenty of long balls up field yesterday and most of them didn't find their mark and I remember lots of Ozil's passes going wide of their mark
Not really what Ash? Do you think Carrick's pass accuracy was in the 60's
For Carrick to have been in the 60's (let's say 65%), it would've meant that have passed to no-one on 16 occasions and found a red shirt 29 times. My eyes tell me there's simply no chance of that being true.
Would love someone with another stats site to confirm/deny.
Sky seemed to think it was 65% to 63%, not buying it at all. Maybe it was meant to be an 8 instead of a six. Neither team were that bad
Earlier this year in Madrid's game against City those stats were showing that Di Maria was on 27% pass accuracy, and modric was around 50% if I am not wrong. No way that is correct.
I've just watched the game for the second time, he did as much as he could. Was very good in possession, apart from that moment in the 2nd half when he had Rafael on the right but took something like 36 minutes to spot that and got dispossessed.
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